if guns kill people ( pic)

[yamahonkawazuki]

[jserio]

 

[tt_four]

I find it interesting that the gun they picked for the picture appears to be, in my completely uneducated opinion, some kind of assault rifle. I don't know what it is, but it doesn't look like a hunting rifle. I'm gonna guess it was probably made for the purpose of shooting people?? haha

[murf425]

[Assuming it's a civilian model] it's no different than any other semiautomatic rifle, other than it looks scarier.  OMG...it's black, has a big mag, and has a collapsible stock!  Yeah...but it still goes bang one time per trigger pull, just like something that holds 5 rounds and uses a wood stock.

Don't let the look sway you; that's exactly the thinking that leads to the retarded gun laws we currently have.

[ver4]

[Assuming it's a civilian model] it's no different than any other semiautomatic rifle, other than it looks scarier.  OMG...it's black, has a big mag, and has a collapsible stock!  Yeah...but it still goes bang one time per trigger pull, just like something that holds 5 rounds and uses a wood stock.

Don't let the look sway you; that's exactly the thinking that leads to the retarded gun laws we currently have.

+1

[Jared]

[Assuming it's a civilian model] it's no different than any other semiautomatic rifle, other than it looks scarier.  OMG...it's black, has a big mag, and has a collapsible stock!  Yeah...but it still goes bang one time per trigger pull, just like something that holds 5 rounds and uses a wood stock.

Don't let the look sway you; that's exactly the thinking that leads to the retarded gun laws we currently have.

Absolutely.


If I hit someone with a 2x4...it's then technically an "assault 2x4" isn't it...

Pic is of an M4 .

[tt_four]

well I think the point I was getting at was that while a 2x4 would hurt, it's made for building houses, and hitting someone with it shows someone's poor use of building materials. Regardless of whether someone buys it with the intention of taking it to a shooting range or just wants to shoot cans in their back yard, the actual purpose of certain guns is just to make killing people easier, and it's peoples proper use of them that leads to the retarded gun laws we have. If people would stop using the guns for their intended purpose of shooting people on an hourly basis, I'm sure the laws would look different.

I'm not here to say that laws should be one way or another, just that I rarely get the point of most pro-gun slogans because they rarely contain any good logic, it's usually just 2nd amendment something, Rosie is fat and I'm a man you can take my gun when I'm dead something else kinda stuff. If you want to make anti-gun people understand your position then put some effort into it. People who want the world to realize that pit bulls aren't evil put in effort to train their dogs as therapy dogs and take them to nursing homes. Black people who want the country to realize that they're not all thugs in gangs volunteer at soup kitchens. Guys on motorcycles who want to show everyone we're not all obnoxious do charity runs to raise money for someone with cancer. When people with guns want to get their point out they just yell about how stupid people are who don't like guns and repeat phrases about guns not killing people, people killing people, and the 2nd amendment(which doesn't really help anyway because anti-gun people only feel that the 2nd amendment is for practical used of guns, such as protecting yourself from an actual tyrannical government, not for people who just want to hoard weapons in their basement claiming that they're for protecting their families all the while statistics show that you're more likely to get shot by a gun owned by someone in that same house, than you are to get hurt by someone breaking in. Also, having a government that feels that 17 year olds shooting each other with easy to access guns on a regular basis is a problem that should be dealt with does not make them gun-hating tyrants who are just trying to force you to live with anti-constitution laws, they're simply trying to reduce the number of people getting killed).

....and again, before everyone who likes guns flips out, I'm not complaining about guns, I'm not here to make any points about guns, I'm just simply tired of hearing all the same poorly thought out arguments as to why it's more important for people to have easy access to all the guns they can get their hands on all the while those same guns are being used to kill kids in my city on a weekly basis. Before you say 'if those kids didn't have guns they'd just be hitting each other with 2x4', remember that's the same stupid argument I'm talking about. Put a little more thought into it, and maybe YOU guys try coming up with some effective plans to keep teenage thugs from shooting other people all the time instead of just ignoring the problem and getting mad at everyone else who tries to help the problem. I already know how poorly this is gonna go, but I'm gonna hit "Post" anyway.

[PachmanP]

[Assuming it's a civilian model] it's no different than any other semiautomatic rifle, other than it looks scarier.  OMG...it's black, has a big mag, and has a collapsible stock!  Yeah...but it still goes bang one time per trigger pull, just like something that holds 5 rounds and uses a wood stock.

Don't let the look sway you; that's exactly the thinking that leads to the retarded gun laws we currently have.

Absolutely.


If I hit someone with a 2x4...it's then technically an "assault 2x4" isn't it...

Pic is of an M4 .

Actually, if the 2x4 is less than 76 inches it's considered an assault 2x4. You don't use ones that short for buildings, so the only thing they're for is hitting people. If you don't believe me, try going to a hardware store and only buying a 4 ft 2x4.

[Worm]

Well one way to keep these kids from shooting each other would be to construct cages. One for each child born so that they wouldn't be able to get to a gun to shoot each other. That would work.

Or we could have the fingers of every child removed at birth. It would be a simple surgical procedure and by the time they are old enough to know what fingers are they would have adapted to life without them anyway. That would work too.

Ooh, here's the best of all...let's let them shoot each other but first we replace all bullets produced with jelly beans and reduce the powder charges in each round so that a shoot-out at the local high school would hurt anyone (except maybe a diabetic).

This is how silly the arguments for controlling guns are. Because you are not fixing the problem which is the underlying psychological issue that cause one human to take the life of another because that person "dissed" their mother. You could take every gun, knife or 2x4 from someone and they will find another way to kill if that's what their gray matter tells them to do.

I have never owned a gun. I do not hunt. I have fired several. I think that someone has every right to own firearms if that's what they want to do. I don't think someone should tell me that I'm not allowed to own a fork. I like them, they make eating so much easier than chopsticks or my hands. But if I had the right mind to, I could surely kill someone with a fork.

I know, there will never be agreement on an issue such as this.

And this is my opinion but I'm also playing devil's advocate here! Enjoy!

[tt_four]

Actually, if the 2x4 is less than 76 inches it's considered an assault 2x4. You don't use ones that short for buildings, so the only thing they're for is hitting people. If you don't believe me, try going to a hardware store and only buying a 4 ft 2x4.

I've used pieces no longer than 4 foot. The standard wall frame is 8 foot long, so if you're building a wall that's within 4 feet of a multiple of 8, you'll need a short piece for the top and bottom of the last frame. Plus there's triangle shaped frames for angled roofs, and any variety of short walls for partial room dividers and things of that sort. I would however be interested to see a house where every measurement was an even multiple of 8'.

[tt_four]

This is how silly the arguments for controlling guns are.

The thing is, I've never once heard a politician try to ban all guns in my city, but that's how people usually take every mention of regulations on guns. One example is how common it is for people with a clean record to buy guns, sell them to people who aren't allowed to own guns(can you believe someone would try to keep a felon from expressing their 2nd amendment right to own a gun?!?!!). That person then uses it to kill someone, and when the cops come back to the person who's buying these guns and selling them to the people who shouldn't have them, he just says 'ooh yeah that was stolen a few weeks ago'. So in response, they tried to make a law that said when your gun gets stolen, you should report it with in so many days. Nothing about that law restricts someones right to buy, own, or shoot their gun(s). They're basically asking 'hey, do you mind being responsible and trying to keep track of your gun for the sake of the people around you?' and everyone flipped out 'well what if someone doesn't know their gun was stolen?! Then they could go to jail for doing nothing wrong?!" again acting like any amount of trying to control a dangerous weapon is a threat to the constitution. Problem is, if your guns are getting stolen and you don't even notice, you probably ARE doing something wrong. Maybe you should lock that stuff up, or at least check every few days to see if it's still there. It's some peoples complete unwillingness to make any compromise that I think is the problem.

[Jared]

Well TT I didn't much feel like writing a page or two- I was being brief and agreeing with Murf's  point. 
A lot of those brief "slogan" style sayings make pretty good points. Brevity is the soul of wit (Polonius...Hamlet..).
"When seconds count- the police are only minutes away."  /Brevity

You said uneducated opinion...then call other things stupid....?


I wasn't comparing a 2x4 to a firearm-saying "they'll just use lumber to kill each other". I was speaking of the "assault" label being branded on any "evil" black rifle. Assault is assault is my point so anything you use as a weapon against someone else can be branded  an  'Assault XXXXX".  It's a description of a style of weapon- yes- but as murf said - one trigger pull- one round is fired- it doesn't matter if the rifle has a fixed/internal magazine that holds ten rounds and a wooden stock- say a hunting rifle "style"- that rifle in the hands of someone who decides to harm others will kill them just as dead as any "assault rifle". A skilled person with a nice bolt action can do quite a bit of damage if so inclined  So the people killing people is a very valid point- the firearm isn't going to get itself out of the case/ cabinet/ safe- load it's own magazine  aim itself and fire on someone.  It's the person that owns it/possesses it not the  "Dangerous weapons" fault.

Gun laws.... criminals by definition aren't going to obey laws anyway so more laws really wont do much to stop a criminal. 
Do we need background checks-ok- I'm fine with that- but I'm a law abiding citizen- criminals will just steal them or buy them stolen or do a straw purchase ( your  felons buying it from the "law abiding person"...who isn't. ). So what law will keep  the straw purchases from ever happening? You know since the straw buyers are such good law following people....(clean background cause they haven't been caught.).

I'm in MD...not the "worst" but one of the worst gun law states to be in. They started ballistic fingerprinting new handguns in 2000 (fire a round - register the casing with the gun for ID later on)... spent millions on the system and never solved a single crime with it. If I wanted to frame you for murder...I could pick up a spent casing of yours at the range  and leave it at the crime seen ......they'd have your prints on the casing and it would match the gun you own...

Anti-gun politicians are usually trying to get re elected. Some probably do genuinely have good intentions...but can't see any logic . The irony is that don't they often have armed law enforcement protecting them ( well a lot more than the average citizen gets ) of course  they don't need  to own a gun.

The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting ( for those who think it should only cover hunting..) . "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YY5Rj4cQ50 if you like Penn and Teller...

I'm breaking the law if someone breaks into my house -searches my house- finds my weapons (locked cabinet in my case-big firesafe coming soon)- maybe gets the lock open without destroying it and steals them? I don't walk in front of my cabinet everyday so if the thing was closed back up  and wasn't obviously damaged that I didn't notice.... I'd be guilty of the crime the thief commits later on...?Granted the house would probably be disturbed pretty well unless they were aware of what I had and came in specifically for it...
Point is they are breaking in- committing a crime- punishing the people that obey laws will not deter criminals.

I'm all for responsible ownership and handling of firearms. Education and safety courses - absolutely. I have the right- and I exercise it. If you don't care to - that's your right.
The little compromises (plenty already)will just lead to more and more and then it will all be gone.
Let me know when you run for office.

[Toogoofy317]

I think one of our failures as a society is that no one want to take responsibility for anything. Little Johnnie shoots one  of his classmates for picking on him and he shoots up the entire school. No one will take the blame for it they just point the finger at someone else. I don't own a gun I do work in the security field.

I think David Chapelle had it right make the guns easy to get but make the bullets $1000 a shell. Dude I'd cap you in the a$$ if that bullet didn't cost so damned much!

Mary

[spc]

Y'know, I wrote a thesis on the 8th/2nd correlation.  At the end of the day, the original intent when our country was founded was for EVERY free man to have the same rights.  IF a man is not trustworthy with a firearm, they have no place in society.

We need another prison colony.

[mister]

The "guns don't kill people" stance comes from the anti-gun mantra "ban GUNS to save the children" in short, blaming the weapon and not the person wielding the weapon.

People die all the time i car crashes. No-one cries to Ban Cars even though such a move Would save lives.
People drown in backyard pools all the time. No-one cries to Ban Pools even though such a move would save lives.
People die falling from their ladders at home. No-one cries to ban ladders even though...

England has a no hand gun law. After the law went into effect, hand gun crime went UP.

It ain't the tool, it's the person using the tool. Availability of the tool is a side issue designed to divert attention away from the person using the tool.

Michael

[yamahonkawazuki]

The "guns don't kill people" stance comes from the anti-gun mantra "ban GUNS to save the children" in short, blaming the weapon and not the person wielding the weapon.

People die all the time i car crashes. No-one cries to Ban Cars even though such a move Would save lives.
People drown in backyard pools all the time. No-one cries to Ban Pools even though such a move would save lives.
People die falling from their ladders at home. No-one cries to ban ladders even though...

England has a no hand gun law. After the law went into effect, hand gun crime went UP.

It ain't the tool, it's the person using the tool. Availability of the tool is a side issue designed to divert attention away from the person using the tool.

Michael

exactly. i hear in UK or aus. you CAN own firearms, but its a HUGE red tape thign to purchase. , mister i believe in your country some assinine amount of fees or somethign.  none of those thigns, the guns, or the alcohol, or teh cars BY THEMSELVES, can kill someone. mary it is easy for a felon to straw a gun. i stopped 3 of them today at shop. that aside, when one shows up on CL, ( not allowed) but when they do, if i were a felon, BUT  had enough money, i could buy the gun. legally own it? no. but buy it nonetheless,  to eliminate crazy folks from buying weps, youd have to find an assload of REAL psychics ( lol not available. ) that were right 100% of the time.now next point, say mary you have an ak47, say with a 15rd clip/mag. and that is classified as an assault wep. , now i have another weapon shooting same caliber round, with same amount of rounds, BUT its classified as a hunting weapon, wtf? same bullet? same number?, the gun in picture looks to me like an ar15/m16, im prolly wrong. anyhoo, mr clinton in his moment of wisdom LOL with the assault weps ban, made me alot of money at the time. 3 weeks before it went into effect, i purchased 15 hi cap. glock clips, and also borrowed the moneyt and purchased6 ak47's. after teh ban, those were exempt. i sold the guns BACK to the shop, at twice the price i paid. he in turn sold for almost 3 times. my clips i tripled the money. st. barack,i almost hope will do the same thing, make some killer money this way lol. LEGALLY

[jserio]

Something I agree with. I don't care what your weapon of choice is, lay it on my table and I can gurantee that it by itself will not harm a soul until picked up and used. I could kill you with my bare hands if necessary. Should we start outlawing the ability to have hands? 

[yamahonkawazuki]

Something I agree with. I don't care what your weapon of choice is, lay it on my table and I can gurantee that it by itself will not harm a soul until picked up and used. I could kill you with my bare hands if necessary. Should we start outlawing the ability to have hands? 

give this president time hell try. lol i jest.

[jserio]

I was being serious. If I chose to kill you, I most likely want to do so without detection no? So, quietest form would be a knive(kinda messy) or choke you to death. Just a thought.

[Toogoofy317]

Or a syringe with air in it. could make your heart asplode! IF air is injected into the blood stream.

Mary