Ever smoke a bigger bike?

[FJCharlie]

youre a psycho!  great driving, and great videos 

[mister]

In really really twisty stuff, the GS shines - as long as - you can keep your momentum. Lose it and the 600cc and up class are small specs in the distance. The GS cannot compete on the small straights between corners.

Michael

[Cosimo_Zaretti]

And most anyone could 'smoke' me on the street if they are willing to take enough risks.

In the twisty stuff in the hills, it comes down more to whose nerve holds, rather than who has the faster bike or the Mad Skillz.  If you approach a 15km/h posted corner and can just chuck it in without flinching and slowing down, you'll have the satisfaction of "smoking" most other riders.  There are no prizes for this, everyone's just out to have fun and we all end up back at the same rest stop complaining about car drivers.

[The Buddha]

All the time ... oh wait, well ... atleast I am in the presence of some smoking of a bigger bike ...
Cool.
Buddha.

[tykho]

Gotta get rid of them chicken strips mang

[mister]

WTF, the m.o.m. in the word m.o.m.entum gets turned into "I love you"? What kind of stupid ass obscenity filter is that? Serious. m.o.m is not a swear word by any stretch of the imagination sheesh. And... arrrggghhhhh..... fück it...



Michael

[mach1]

A GS CANT SMOKE ANY BIKE!!!!!! with that said you can brake a lot later than most bikes and flick the bike around more than most bigger bikes. so you wont smoke them as they will out smoke you off any line but yeah in the canyons you will beat most RIDERS.

[burning1]

Not really true... With a few exceptions, most any modern 600 will out-handle the GS500 - it's just that being on a less powerful bike, we tend to develop cornering skills where your typical 600cc owner learns to twist the throttle. About the only advantage we have is that our bikes are slightly lighter, requiring a little less effort to flick.

I've met a number of guys who can out-corner me riding larger bikes; it's always stunning to watch them ride.

[Cosimo_Zaretti]

with that said you can brake a lot later than most bikes

I'm intrigued by this.  I thought pretty much any modern vehicle could outbrake a GS500.

[Ourea]

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[burning1]

with that said you can brake a lot later than most bikes

I'm intrigued by this.  I thought pretty much any modern vehicle could outbrake a GS500.

Meh... GP has a bit of lightweight fanboyism going on. What he said was partially correct, and partially incorrect for a number of reasons, and the subject is very complex.

It is not true that the GS can outbreak most bikes - like many sport bikes, peak braking force of the GS500 is limited by wheelbase, rather than the strength of the brakes, or the limits of traction of the front tire. A bike with a longer wheelbase will generally out-brake a GS500 (or other sport bike.)

Even with the stock parts, it's possible to brake hard enough to lift the rear wheel on the GS. Brake upgrades mean more consistent braking, less effort, better feel, and better heat tolerance. Ultimate power is limited by physics, though brake improvements provide more confidence and control, permitting the rider to make better use of the brakes.

When I ride the GS500 on the track, one place I make up a lot of time is under the brakes. You can see in the video posted above how often I use late braking to make a pass. A lot of this comes down to confidence; although a modern sport-bike has better brakes than the GS, the riders are also going a lot faster into the braking zone, which tends to trigger panic reactions.  On the GS, I also don't carry as much speed going towards a corner, so I don't have to start applying the brakes as early. In practice though, a highly skilled rider on a sport bike could match my braking performance until trail braking comes into play.

Now, on the same tires, a 1000 and I would have about the same amount of grip going into a corner. So, I wouldn't be able to out-trail brake the 1000. In practice, with the extra weight, speed, and forces that a 1000 puts on it's tires means that the 1000 might be stuck with medium compound tires, where I can run soft or ultra soft tires. So, I can theoretically trail-brake much harder into a corner.  In practice, it takes huge skill to use this advantage - although I'm a lot more confident on the brakes than a lot of riders, I'm a long way away from taking advantage of a medium compound front, never-mind an ultra-soft front.

Keep in mind that all of these advantages assume equal suspension. The stock GS500 front end will never support the kind of tire-adhesion needed to take advantage of an ultra-soft front tire. The GSX-R 600 front end I run goes a long way towards improving that situation.

Let's be realistic here... The GS500 doesn't have many advantages over a modern sport bike. It's disadvantages though, tend to force us to ride better.

[mach1]

I never posted the GS can out breal most bikes but since you have a lighter bike you can break at the last minute. heavier bikes will apply the breaks sooner. and I said the GS can out corner mot RIDERS. not bikes. hell I can out corner with my dads V star. its all on the riders and the GS did make me push my skills and made me a better rider on anything I ride.

[mister]

A GS CANT SMOKE ANY BIKE!!!!!!

Yup. I've been smoked by a guy on a 50cc moped. Granted I was behind a mud carter and the moped scream by me where cars are normally parked before suddenly swerving in front of me, slaming on the brakes, almost losing it, and turning off. But still, he did pass me. So point proven... a GS500 cannot even smoke a 50cc moped.

But I think for smoking bikes we really should refer to the "melt the bike down and eat with my salad" thread. Cause if'n you can do that, than I see no reason why a pack of tally ho and some matches can't help you smoke bikes 

Michael

[Unsane]

But I think for smoking bikes we really should refer to the "melt the bike down and eat with my salad" thread. Cause if'n you can do that, than I see no reason why a pack of tally ho and some matches can't help you smoke bikes 

Michael

Or pack one giant cone 

[burning1]

I never posted the GS can out breal most bikes but since you have a lighter bike you can break at the last minute. heavier bikes will apply the breaks sooner. and I said the GS can out corner mot RIDERS. not bikes. hell I can out corner with my dads V star. its all on the riders and the GS did make me push my skills and made me a better rider on anything I ride.

Braking later and out-braking are the same thing.... And no, the GS500's slightly reduced weight does not permit it to brake later than another heavier bike.

Fundamental coefficient of friction; the GS has less mass to slow down, it also has less weight on the tires. Lower weight means less traction. The lower stopping force required is almost exactly offset by lower traction available. And regardless, the GS500 is stoppie limited, just like every other sport/standard on the market - it might have a sight advantage over a sport bike due to the lower CoG, but it's not going to be a significant advantage.

[tandersn9]

Question: Is the gs' weight really a benefit?

After looking on Wikipedia it seems that the GS is heavier than all the 600s dry anyway, not sure about wet anyways.  If I'm mistaken some one with more knowledge on this stuff please correct me!