since i dont qualify for medicaid lol

[ojstinson]

I can't add anything to help Yama, I think he has slipped through the cracks and neither president's policies would have helped.

This administration is so far off the charts it's impossible to defend without making things up---just look back over his appointees and now defunct appointees, it boggles the mind---tax cheats in charge of our tax system ( he either can't figure out Turbo Tax or he cheated--take your pick )---Polosi, Geitner, Barney Frank, this entire administration is a total disaster, these and others would be hilarious ( and an endless supply of material for Bill Mayher if he was on the other side ) if it weren't so dangerous. You have any amazing storehouse of Obama talking points, I'll give you that.

Again---big picture----how are things better now?

[The Buddha]

He appointed pelosi to what ? Pelosi was elected by her constituents and add Harry Reid to that list too and was in congress long before Obama was born ...

Geitner was appointed by Bush. Get your facts straight - courtesy Wikipedia -

- In October 2003, at age 42,[19] he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.[20] His salary in 2007 was $398,200.[21] As President of the New York Fed, he served as Vice Chairman of the Federal Open Market Committee. In 2006, he also became a member of the Washington-based financial advisory body, the Group of Thirty.[22] In May 2007, he worked to reduce the capital required to run a bank.[19] In November he rejected Sanford Weill's offer to take over as Citigroup's chief executive.[19]

In March 2008, he arranged the rescue and sale of Bear Stearns.[14][23] In the same year, he played a supporting role to Henry Paulson, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, in the decision to bail out AIG just two days after deciding not to rescue Lehman Brothers from bankruptcy. Some Wall Street CEOs subsequently expressed the opinion that decisions in which Geithner participated, especially the failure to rescue Lehman, contributed to worsening the global financial crisis.[24] As a Treasury official, he helped manage multiple international crises of the 1990s[16] in Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia, South Korea, and Thailand.[17]

Then -
During the 2008 Presidential election, Geithner was one of three people tipped to be nominated for Treasury Secretary regardless of whether John McCain or Barack Obama won.[1] On November 24, 2008, then-President-elect Barack Obama announced his intention to nominate Geithner to be Treasury Secretary.[25][26]

This is one situation where Obama followed bush, just as McCain would have. I'd have liked to see someone else - like Elizabeth Warren in that position, however it cannot ever be said Tim Geitner wasn't qualified.

Barney Frank: really ... What did Obama do with BF ? From 2007 to 2011, Frank served as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, where he remains the ranking Democrat. 2007, if I recall Obama wasn't in the WH then. Again continuity that Obama gets blamed for.

Or do you mean Dodd-Frank ? They were both in congress longer than Obama has been alive. They have also been on the Fin ways and means cmtee longer than you and I have been on this earth. Obama did nothing with those 2.

Now, DF the legislation is a toothless legislation that tells people there should be a barn door well after the horse has bolted. The fact that it was crafted when Bush was in the WH and submitted to bush before the Financial crisis which he ignored, till the cirsis collapsed the system, following which it was re written, sent to Obama in 09 approved and has riled up the TEA/Rep's ever since.
If you ever read it, it is about how banks should set aside funds to manage their exposure and how they mark to market (which was abruptly dropped in 2008 by bush/paulson) ... DF is toothless, as implemented it will serve as a minor speed bump to financial mishandling by major financial institutions, and TEA/Reps who are funded by The Koch Brothers are up in arms about it. Its like using a nu-culur weapon to kill a mosquito.

Carl Rove and Koch brothers have bought all the sound bites you're hearing. TEA party is a true astroturf organisation, they have got the super rich a tax cut given under bush and they have it locked in.

However if we believe the uber rich need to be taxed less, maybe we should also send the doctors to their houses to take care of their health, after all they are creating jobs ... or they will be if not for Obama's meddling ... so they do need the health care 100%.

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[The Buddha]

Debt - Courtesy wikipaedia.
The public debt has increased by over $500 billion each year since fiscal year (FY) 2003, with increases of $1 trillion in FY2008, $1.9 trillion in FY2009, and $1.7 trillion in FY2010.[3] As of August 3, 2011, the gross debt was $14.34 trillion dollars.

03 - 09 - remember fiscal year 09 starts in september 08. And the budget is done well ahead of september actually, like april. So 09 entriely falls @ the feet of the incompetents put in the office by Bush. Sadly Obama didn't change it, however can you even imagine, the next year it shrunk by over 10% ... 1.9 to 1.7 ... and that in the middle of a financial crisis with a huge push to stimulate.
I'll try to find 2011 numbers but I suspect its lower than 2010.

So more of blaming Obama for what Bush did.

Oh, no of course not, bush had no Idea, Cheney did all that, yes Bush was just the simpleton in the Oval office. Cheney give him paper ith big words, Bush sign it, and it goes away by magic.

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[ojstinson]

I see the "Change" I don't see the "Hope", Again, how are things better now? We voted for things to get better, not for excuses, blame, and disaster.

[The Buddha]

I see the "Change" I don't see the "Hope", Again, how are things better now? We voted for things to get better, not for excuses, blame, and disaster.

Good point, very good point, and compare it to what the situation was when Bushies left.

1. No impending financial collapse.
2. No bigger drop in real estate.
3. No dead auto companies.
4. No shuttered schools, and all govt institutions.
5. No dead banks and runs on them.
6. Worse than a AA+ rating on US credit.

All of these were possibilities and I must say not all were things I didn't want ... a couple of these will ahve worked great for us ... however in continuing Bush's stimulus plan (no blame for bush, credit for bush which irks democrats no end BTW) and following other parallel ideas these have been averted.

You dont see things better ... cos you're not uber rich, and with Bush/Rep/TEA you'd ahve had it worse ... If you were uber rich, you'd be just a shade worse off now than you woould ahve been with 4 more years of bush ... hence like the koch brothers you are mad.

Things better now than 3 years ago is a myth. The only comparison is things as they are now vs what they will ahve been with 4 more Bushies years. That unless you are Uber rich is positive.

BTW several safety nets ahve been expanded under Obama, unemployment extended to 99 weeks from 26 is one that comes to mind.

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[ojstinson]

OK, I see all that, but the extensions can be seen as a plus as well as a minus---a plus for those who want to work and need the extra time to retool and get back into the work force, and a minus as a perpetuation of the parasitic  lifestyle of those with no ambition to continue to exploit the system.


I see Yama's situation as very sad and depressing, I just hope that somehow he is able to get the help he needs.

[mister]

Bush's fault blah blah blah.

Years ago, BEFORE Bush's 2nd term I wrote a piece about the impending housing/financial collapse that was Inevitable thanks to the CLINTON / GREENSPAN monetary tricks that made things look good but set up a fall After They Left the scene. I predicted the house falling to the Dems (as happened) and actually figured the collapse would come in Bush's 2nd Term and it would be Blamed on him and the GOP would be outed as a result. BUT, if the Dems won that, then They would be blamed, only do 1 term and then the GOP would be back in.

It's not quite that, but pretty close - and people do love to blame Bush for all their woes.

Interestingly, there is a fellow who did some Stockmarket research regarding Birth Rates. He offset the birth rates by 40 or 50 years and then overlayed that chart over the stockmarket chart. Almost a perfect match. Meaning, a 3 or 4 year spike in births correlated with a 3 or 4 year spike in the stock market 40 to 50 years later. The Baby Boomers was a Massive birth rate spike followed by quite a lull. In his chart this results in, a stock market down turn somewhere between 2008 and 2010 with as long as 15 years of subdued performance.

So far, his chart has been accurate. So if this was laid down all those years ago, still gonna blame Bush, Obama, or the next POTUS Mitt Romney? Who you gonna blame in 5 years time when things are still not fixed?

And if you do feel like Blaming the various POTUS' over the years you are missing the warning given by Dwight Eisenhower "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."

JFK followed and then proceeded to upset this MIC by wanting out of Vietnam and ordering the Fed Res to issue money without the usual interest attached to it as it does. Plus tax cuts for ALL. Conspiracy or not, he is thus summarily assassinated.

The POTUS is nothing more than a political puppet to the MIC and Big $. The Blame Game is designed to hide the true culprits behind it all. Blame this POTUS or that POTUS all you like, it's the Hidden String Pullers you should be blaming.

Michael

[The Buddha]

Guys once again this post was about how Yamahon didn't have a way to get any medical attention unless he was about to die.
I think it is a social safety net issue plain and simple.
Small govt = small safety net, which = small tax footprint ... aka something I would love cos I am paying taxes and not receiving squat except for the stupid repaving of roads that weren't dead to start with while dead roads stay that way.
However Yamahon could use the flip side of that safety net is what I was trying to say.
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[The Buddha]

Blame this POTUS or that POTUS all you like, it's the Hidden String Pullers you should be blaming.

Michael

Correct, none of them work for the citizenry. They work for 1 set of uber rich or the other ... that includes the TEA party ... especially the TEA party. True astro turf organisation @ its best. Bought and laid in my the Koch bros.

The uber rich pay for their ability to speak and influence the masses. That is what campaign financing is all about. Honestly I'd vote for the guy who has the least campainging and the least ads etc ... that is the guy who has been bought the least.

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[yamahonkawazuki]

alot of it needs to go to congress buddha. regardless of whos taking what out of medicaid. its taken out. regs put in place DURING last 2 years, files me into hte eff of category. i cant blame that on bush at all. well no, maybe a lil. systems been in place for decades. so all including clinton and others of his side shares it too. all since its inception shares a portion of hte blame. presidents, congress and state governors

[The Buddha]

Yea we do have a real lack of a safety net. Yes clintstone did a lot of the damage with his "welfare to work" program ... by cutting off social safety nets ...

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[yamahonkawazuki]

Yea we do have a real lack of a safety net. Yes clintstone did a lot of the damage with his "welfare to work" program ... by cutting off social safety nets ...

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well that sounded almsot good on paper. theres been people doe decades milking the cash cow every month who could work. i delayed trying to get disability too long because of pride. now i have to fight like hell to even haev a chance of getting somehting out of it. that ive paid into for 2 decades

[The Buddha]

Yea we do have a real lack of a safety net. Yes clintstone did a lot of the damage with his "welfare to work" program ... by cutting off social safety nets ...

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well that sounded almsot good on paper. theres been people doe decades milking the cash cow every month who could work. i delayed trying to get disability too long because of pride. now i have to fight like hell to even haev a chance of getting somehting out of it. that ive paid into for 2 decades

Man it almost sounds lke you're asking for people to be ... I dunno ... Honest.
The disabilty abuse, the social security pyramid etc etc are all going to collapse when the underlying population stops paying into it. Retiring baby boomers will get that started here in a few years. However that isn't going to get you any help. A better social safety net written into the laws will do something ... But again details ...
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[yamahonkawazuki]

yeahno shaZam!. hell ill prlly be dead bythe time im f%$king approved lol

[The Buddha]

A scandinavian style safety net is a very nice concept I must admit ... tempting ... but can you imagine the abuse ... Heck even there they complain about it.

Yamahon hope you get the help you need.

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[The Buddha]

In a few years I need to get my son on whatever broke system we got in place ... I cant decide who will screw up less ... the tax and spend liberals, or the "corporations are people too" Republicans.

I can see the system working if several companies are left in the marketing of healthcare ... in fact I'd like to see the retail like market place ... there is Walmart, but if you dont like their Quality ... step up to target ... or if you need tools ... try harbor freight, heck even ebay ... somehow healthcare needs that sorta free for all type free market ... sadly the first time its implemented ... it will have no competetion ... and be given to 1 big company with big gubbamint contracts ... like Haliburton/Blackwater.

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[yamahonkawazuki]

OK, I see all that, but the extensions can be seen as a plus as well as a minus---a plus for those who want to work and need the extra time to retool and get back into the work force, and a minus as a perpetuation of the parasitic  lifestyle of those with no ambition to continue to exploit the system.


I see Yama's situation as very sad and depressing, I just hope that somehow he is able to get the help he needs.

regarding government motors, err GM, should have let them go bankrupt FIRST then bail them out. it neutralises all contrats, aka starting anew. UAW brought alot of this on themselves. breaking it down by parts, UAW wanted more. without putting anythign in. WHILE GM is losing money. dont think it would be asking too much for them to put in something. since this admin. wants to Buddha Loves You about illegal wars that congress voted into being, ( afghanistan and iraq,) lets talk about libya, the ONLY illegal war out there. congress never voted on it. some say it wasnt war. ( LW ppl mostly. ) however ill respectfully disagree. heres why. our guys and others in the coalition, were firing weapons INTO a soverign nation. which in the civilised world is an act of war. Grated it appears to have a good outcome. , pres. funnyface appears to be gone. funy thing is, since obamas ppl wont call this a war, and since htey put it in natos hands, they cant claim victory lol. ( helps to get ppl re-elected lol)

[The Buddha]

Gubbamint Motors ... well yea we could start there ... however remember the whole AIG -> Goldman sachs bail out was almost 10X the GM outlay and that was driven by a bush WH with Bush appointees in the treasury and FED, remember @ that time there was no Obama on the horizon, and the GM outlay driven by a Obama WH is being paid back via many means including warrants <- Big deal ... look up warrants on wikipaedia and how chryslers bailout in the 70's made so much $ for the gubbamint from where they never expected ...

Anyway The end tax payer cost to AIG will be near 100 times the cost of GM ... in fact GM when all said and done will be a gain ... give it a few years till those warrants are cashed in ...


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[Toogoofy317]

You know I find it amazing how those that are not disabled always say how easy it is to get the "cash cow" disability. I can assure you it is not a cash cow by any stretch of the imagination. As I sit here writing this I'm doing without dinner because my disability doesn't come in until tomorrow. The disability doesn't cover all of my bills and I have to work part-time because I want to eat somehow $16 in Food Stamps doesn't buy alot of food that someone in CHF can eat. My job is literally killing me so I'm attempting to go back to school because I'm tired of being below the poverty level. One day I would love to have a garage and a place to live without roommates or not have to worry if I can buy food when I am hungry.

I was turned down for my disability while getting a heart transplant evaluation. I'm young and educated so I couldn't be disabled. I finally had to get a lawyer and file an appeal the judge approved my case based on the fact I had been hospitalized 43 times the previous year. Three years after I got disability I had to do a medical review and face the fear of losing health insurance and without medication I'd probably be dead within a couple of months.

I'm sorry Yama has to go through this but there are resources out there you just have to be tenacious enough to stick to the search. When I didn't have insurance I was on the net 2-3 hours a day researching then going out and talking with RNs case workers, my local representative you name it. I strongly suggest Yama look up who ever his district representative is and speak with the secretary and explain what is going on. You would be amazed what a letter from a Reps office will do to the state welfare department. She had an issue that I had been fighting months for fixed completely in 2 e-mails (she was miffed she had to send a second e-mail even).I was dumbstruck how easily she got it done. Never give up the fight as long as you are breathing!

Mary

[The Buddha]

Obama gets the blame for the "personal mandate" in the healthcare bill.
Thank god some states are moving to deem it unconstitutional, sadly my local morons are not.

This is the advantage of some legislation being so far off base ... it will get the court system riled up and will get kicked out ... however the disturbing thing is ... the reason why it was put in there by Obama in the first place.

That is the direct result of the insurance lobby's power. That is why I would oppose it. Insurance companies wrote it in the legislation basically.
Worse yet, the NC moron's have done that exact same thing in the local system. Why is more important usually than the what.

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