Illegal immigration vs speeding

[The Buddha]

Oh there were these 3-4 mamasita's on one of the talking heads shows yesterday ... Love it when they act

Apparently an illegal immigrant if he/she's critisized for being here illegally ... they are now learing to come back with ... "have you sped on the road ? doesn't that make you a criminal ..."

OK lets take a step back here and count ... I drive on average 30 hrs a month, and I speed maybe 5 mins a month unintentionaly (like dunno the speed limit and am running over) and maybe 5 min intentionally, where I am over confident/in a hurry and am running over the limit.
I have a speeding ticket from 1995 and one from 2001 to prove that out. I'd say 10 min in the month is a good average as my life has been going. Those 10 mins a month I am totally a criminal. I probably break a couple other rules a month, making a U turn where I shouldn't or parking where I shouldn't. Add that times too, another 10 mins being generous ... 20 mins a month I am definetly a criminal.

Now compare that to our talking head mamasita ...

The problem with illegal immigration is that ... its is totally lopsidedly favoring one or 2 countries. Family unification ... there are some of us who ahve families we have left behind and have been apart for decades. The lines for those classes of immigration are 20+ years long. How I wish we could wander over here illegally, and claim they are breaking up our family.

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Buddha.

[yamahonkawazuki]

hopefully in'12 somonewill come along and fix this problem. will try my best to be thre tovote lol 

[mister]

Funny you should mention this...

I've looked at the Immigration Policies of English Speaking - UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, USA and Canada.

First, let me say, while the govt is happy to let me live in Australia, I do NOT qualify to migrate here.

Second, Aust has an agreement with NZ and we can just lob on over and start living (as if we are the same country and NZ is just a different state.

UK. My wife can get an ancestry visa. With that, I can then enter behind her as her spouse and be given a Work permit for the length of the ancestry visa. Otherwise, no work permit for me.

USA. I can come if I bring a million bux and create a business that makes ten jobs; have sufficiently large investments elsewhere and just come on in and live; am Sponsored by an employer who fills in all the paperwork to get me over there. Otherwise, no work permit for moi.

Canada, I have an uncle so I am a shoe in.

So how do all these unskilled drongos get in?

If they are beneath 30, they Backpack with a 12 month visa and work permit then have the old anchor baby. Men, find work then petition the employer to get the paperwork rolling so they can stay.

Older than that (30) an Immigrant Security Guard told me... wife came into Aust on a Student Visa. As she needed to be supported during her studies, he was allowed to get a job. Once in, they apply for permanent residency while she studies. As long as she keeps studying they can stay and keep the application process going.

The Paki and Indian taxi drivers are all cousins it seems. One goes over to Set Up and get things rolling to start bringing their Cousins over. Told to me by such a cabbie as he was about to make the move to Canada to join his Cousin. I changed cabs (cause first one had an appointment and needed to transfer me, so made some phone calls) and the new cabbie told me the other fellow will get over their and get Settled then bring Him over too. A friggin rort. Meanwhile, able bodied and productive people doing it the right way wait years.

Michael

[The Buddha]

12 years ago I contemplated Australia. I was under 30, had a bachelors degree in engineering, and a good 8 years as a software engneer. I was a shoe in. What killed it was the fact that I wanted to drag all my crap over there and was not possible.
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[noworries]

And now we've got the poor 'ol would-be Pommie immigrants to Oz finding themselves unable to get straight 8s to meet  the new IELTS immigration requirements!  While there were newspaper reports last week of os students with Ozzie awarded Masters in Accounting being unable to meet the IELTS 7 requirements for their PR.  Don't know whether to laugh or to cry. S***, I think I'll cry.

[The Buddha]

And now we've got the poor 'ol would-be Pommie immigrants to Oz finding themselves unable to get straight 8s to meet  the new IELTS immigration requirements!  While there were newspaper reports last week of os students with Ozzie awarded Masters in Accounting being unable to meet the IELTS 7 requirements for their PR.  Don't know whether to laugh or to cry. S***, I think I'll cry.

OK and what is that in english ...
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Buddha.

[The Buddha]

hopefully in'12 somonewill come along and fix this problem. will try my best to be thre tovote lol 

This IMHO is the man who wants to kill the 17th amendment, Ron Paul.
Sadly I think the country has neither the brains nor the courage to elect him and a good congress behind him.
In fact I'd settle for a democratic controled congress with Obama in the WH. The method of compromises just screws up everything in the name of compromise. The Tea party's hardline stance just also is never going to work, they are all career politicians who dont want to touch the third rail ... cut kill everything else and we still will have a balloning defishit ... yup defishit ...
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[mister]

And now we've got the poor 'ol would-be Pommie immigrants to Oz finding themselves unable to get straight 8s to meet  the new IELTS immigration requirements!  While there were newspaper reports last week of os students with Ozzie awarded Masters in Accounting being unable to meet the IELTS 7 requirements for their PR.  Don't know whether to laugh or to cry. S***, I think I'll cry.

OK and what is that in english ...
Cool.
Buddha.

IELTS is an English Language test. So migrants from overseas who want PR (Permanent Residency) need to pass an English Language test. Same test is failed by some school students!

So you have overseas students issued degrees by Australian universities who cannot get PR because they cannot pass the English Language test as it is - there is now also a Migrant test most native born Aussies would probably fail as well.

Yup. Be a leach on the system, habitually-unemployed non-productive drain on the system who breeds and creates another generation of the same, and you're hunky dory. Be a tertiary Australian-qualified person from overseas, who passed all tests in  English, who wants to contribute and be productive and you can get effed. Meanwhile, cheap labor is brought into the country from China and Korea to work on construction sites and they cannot read, write or speak a Spec of English - all good there, come on in and work your hearts out.

Asian tilers getting paid $10 an hour Flate Rate while local tilers who'd be paid upwards of $25 an hour plus overttime penalties, miss out.

Something is definitely crook in Tobruk.

Michael

[noworries]

Woops, sorry Buddha, I'm sort of been involved in the education side of the migration process here in Oz, and my language got a bit short-hand and basically unintelligible!  Like Mister says. IELTS is an internationally recognised English competency test. Migrants to Oz get points linked to their IELTS score. The more points, the more chance of getting in to Oz. Regulations recently changed so that migrants from English-speaking countries (like the nicknamed "Pommies" from England) have to now take the IELTS test. They need to get a straight 8 score (in Reading, Listening, Speaking and Writing) and many are finding it impossible even though they have used the language since birth!

What seems to be happening with some overseas student here in Oz is that they are passing through their uni courses and graduating from college even though their English skills do not meet the levels you would expect of a uni trained professional. Can't imagine how that would be happening, surely it has no links with the Megan's these students are being charged for their education in Oz? Then when these punters attempt to get Permanent Residency, it all goes pear-shaped as they get poor IELTS scores and then the thumbs-down on their residency applications.

It's a funny old world down here, thesedays.

[noworries]

Edit

Can't imagine how that would be happening, surely it has no links with the Mega-dollars these students are being charged for their education in Oz?

[yamahonkawazuki]

hopefully in'12 somonewill come along and fix this problem. will try my best to be thre tovote lol 

This IMHO is the man who wants to kill the 17th amendment, Ron Paul.
Sadly I think the country has neither the brains nor the courage to elect him and a good congress behind him.
In fact I'd settle for a democratic controled congress with Obama in the WH. The method of compromises just screws up everything in the name of compromise. The Tea party's hardline stance just also is never going to work, they are all career politicians who dont want to touch the third rail ... cut kill everything else and we still will have a balloning defishaZam! ... yup defishaZam! ...
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Buddha.

meant someone who had a chance. 

[The Buddha]

The rest are all for "immigration reform" sadly mexicans are very good at mixing in with the "gringo's". The rest of the immigrants dont. Hence they lack a political voice.
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[bill14224]

One of my sons has a degree in Criminal Justice.  He wanted to work for the Border Patrol.  Halfway through college he learned what is really going on.  Now he works for Cricket Communications.  He knows Uncle Sam has Alzheimer's.

[tt_four]

If we kept immigrants out, who are the American companies gonna pay $1/hr to put those "Made in USA" stickers on all of their products?

[The Buddha]

We consume too much and worse yet, we buy too much sheite we never even use. Chinese sheite that is lousy quality and cheap ...

If it were up to me, there will be less of both and what we do have will be better quality. Built by americans ...

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[tt_four]

http://youtu.be/T3S7mlRYL-8

[yamahonkawazuki]

We consume too much and worse yet, we buy too much sheite we never even use. Chinese sheite that is lousy quality and cheap ...

If it were up to me, there will be less of both and what we do have will be better quality. Built by americans ...

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Buddha.

like paying 100 dollars for a 10 dollar mean. thanks to union wages and labor costs. why msot of our jobs are overeas. its FAR cheaper.  thanks to mr  clinton. and nafta among other things. we have hte highest corporate tax base/burden in teh civilised world. BUT wiht our currency tanking. it is becoming better for foreign countriesto export manufacturing bases here , soon. BUT our dollar would have ot be near that of somalia or some place like that for all jobs to return lol. get this, our MLKstatue the new one was made in china. err was made by a chinese national anyways,.in teh typical communist statue style. ( compare statuary of lenin , stalin and others of the ocmmunist era to non communist statuary. youll see  whatim talking about. BUT im glad weve finally put up a statue to the man, ive ALOT of respect for him.

[The Buddha]

China building our stuff = cheaper is just a myth ...
1. They pollute a lot more and dont care about it  and lie to us. If we count that in in diminished quality of life and future prospects that = extra cost to the products we buy form there.
2. China supports oppressive regimes ad strip mines resources, which actually increases our costs for the same items, if we were not buying the crap from them, we would simply be buying our raw materials at a lower cost, they are pushing prices up because they have assumed we will buy it from them.

However short sighted thinking has precluded this from ever getting any thought.

BTW Clinton was only the president signing in Nafta, it was a republican run congress that proposed it.
The en masse exports of jobs to china happened under Bush 2 with a republican congress. It also is more pervasive cos there was no specific law like NAFTA, it was tax breaks for opening factories regardless of where they are opened, etc etc.

Highest corporate tax rates of any industrailaised counrty ... I call BS on that ... why ... OK that is somethign like the "list price" Many companies GE being the biggest example this year have paid no taxes ... 0% ... and further, other countries like Japan and most of europe with govt run health care have handed a huge tax break to their industry. Its even more pronounced in countries that have a govt run retirement program. On paper it can be made to look like the US has the highest corp tax burden in any of the industrialised world.

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Buddha.