What should Herman Cain do.

[NorwayGT1]

holly shaZam! did me an mister agree on something 

[yamahonkawazuki]

sorry mister i wont be getting into any christian bashing lol. if i were cain, id get my legal team to file defamation suits against the women, if be believes that strongly he is innocent, defamation/slander or libel.

[mister]

I don't recall advocating Christian Bashing.

Believing in some kind of higher power is one thing
Thanking that power is another
being fearful of that power is another
worshiping that power out of fear is another
Worshiping that power with others in an organized fashion with some other person as Leader of that Worship Group is another again

I think you will find a lot of the so-called leaders are really quite non-religious but they play a part to appeal to those who are religious. Much in the same way Sadam Hussien is seen head down tail up on a prayer mat praying to Allah. His brand of Islam does not do that. He played a part is all.

I wonder how many people on out last census put Jedi as their religion 

Michael

[NorwayGT1]

dude i wish i would have done that census thing just so i could have put Jedi as my religion lol... damn

[yamahonkawazuki]

directly no. indirectly however.

[mister]

Sorry Yammy... I lump all organised religions in the same boat. Except Islam cause the others don't have "smite them at the neck" in their "holy works".

Islam, is like Christianity.... there are different brands, with the main three being Wahhabi, Sunni and Shiite Islam. Shiite has the Ayatollah, Sunni has no real religious hierarchy and is more, what I would call "freestyle". Wahhabi comes from Saudi Arabia and they mostly fund the mosques you see getting built around the place. But, they get no pass from me.

Catholics, Anglicans, Protestants, Lutheran, Whatever Orthodox, etc., none get a pass from me. Simply easier for me to lump them all together. With the other organised religions of the other faiths and so on. So if you think a piece of text matches part of your belief that is your doing, not mine.

Michael

[yamahonkawazuki]

fair enough. just saying dont judge the whole group based upon actions of a small percentage. would be liek me judgin you as a motorcycle rider, based upon hte actions of a few hooligans .

[mister]

Or judging all govt employees based on the assholeness of some politicians. Or all Catholics cause of some pedophile priests. Or all women cause of a few gold diggers after anchor babies. Or all men cause of some yobbos. Or all unemployed cause of some welfare cheats who've done nothing but breed another generation of welfare leeches. Or...

Here's a not so funny thing... in the US this would be front page news all over the papers for days. I don't think so here....

There is a politician being accused and on trial for having sex with a 12 year old. This girls parents have been charged with 100 counts of prostituting her out. Supposedly, this pollie once even asked her what her Real age was, cause he was told she was 16 (legal age down here) or older. He denies it, and the allegations he made of movie of him doing it with her.

Must be something in the water the pollies drink 

Michael

[yamahonkawazuki]

would i call you an idiot because of what a squid did/does on a litre bike?, no.

[mister]

Right, you cannot blame all German people for the war. Neither can you blame all Australians for Peter Andre.

Michael

[yamahonkawazuki]

maybe im reading this wrong, but this seems to be exactly what you are doing? maybe not idk. been a rough day lol

[mister]

Yeah, you're reading it wrong. As I said, once you read something you thought matched something in your head, then you think you see it everywhere.

I am accusing people - regardless of any religion they may or may not be a part of, regardless of any god they may or may not acknowledge or worship - of being full of superstitions.

Michael

[yamahonkawazuki]

Yeah, you're reading it wrong. As I said, once you read something you thought matched something in your head, then you think you see it everywhere.

I am accusing people - regardless of any religion they may or may not be a part of, regardless of any god they may or may not acknowledge or worship - of being full of superstitions.

Michael

fair enough. i think everyone falls into this group. though. there are no saints on earth. most dont draw attn to themselves, but some do. the rest have to deal with the backlash, and the labels applied to "their group" lol

[mister]

the rest have to deal with the backlash, and the labels applied to "their group" lol

"deal with the backlash" to "their group".

Simple solution.... if you don't like this Backlash do not associate with the Group receiving it.

BUT

That will NOT happen because IMO people WANT to be part of the controversy. They WANT to be a victim hard done by. They WANT to decry a foul. They want to have and play that downtrodden card. Pin it to their lapel and wear it like a badge of honor. It's hard to do that well as an individual so they do it as part of an affinity group.

For instance, I got this in the email the other day...

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"ToleranceI am truly perplexed that so many of my friends are against another mosque being built in Sydney.

I think it should be the goal of every Australian to be tolerant.

Thus the Mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance.
That is why I also propose that two nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque, thereby promoting tolerance from within the mosque.

We could call one of the clubs, which would be ghey, "The Turban Cowboy ", and the other a topless bar called "You Mecca Me Hot."

Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbeque pork restaurant, called "Iraq o' Ribs."

Across the street there could be a lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret ", with sexy mannequins in the window modeling the goods.
Next door to the lingerie shop there would be room for an adult sex toy shop, "Koranal Knowledge ", its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store called "Morehammered."

All of this would encourage the Muslims to demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us, so the mosque problem would be solved.

If you agree with promoting tolerance, and you think this is a good plan, please pass it on..."
===

I know a guy who says he is Muslim. He does not own a copy of the Quaran (something all Muslims should have as part of their Religion), he does not visit a mosque, does not pray at all to Allah, eats bacon and is engaged to a Christian girl. I asked him how he can still call himself a Muslim when he does none of the things being a Muslim entails. He said, "because I believe in Allah."
So just cause you believe Allah exists you're a Muslim?
Yes.

And boy does he get upset at so-called injustices on the Muslim people, how they are labeled for things, hard done buy, the non-Muslims don't understand, etc. He desires to be a part of the controversy.

Onward.

And if people cannot be a part of the controversy, they want to feel closer to it. And the media is much obliging with stories of the neighbor of the person or long lost highschool friend or local shopkeeper or whomever.

Me, I just move on. Which is to say, I do not feel the outrage of anything wrongdoing with any affinity group I may or may not belong to, nor do I feel the urge to align myself with any so I can feel the outrage.

If people spent the time and energy they put into feeling outraged into something more productive, they would not only be better off they would also discover who useless feeling outraged was.

I am not saying everything is a bed of roses and that there are not people out there is really are on the wrong end of the stick for whatever reasons and circumstances befell them. Just that for the majority of outrage-feelers, it is nothing more than wanting to feel the outrage and controversy or be closer to it, as if a part of it.

Michael

[yamahonkawazuki]

a good argument. and tbh for a while i thought about perhaps opening a bbq joint across from the ground zero mosque. but that aside, i became a christian, because of personal beliefs, that i myself took on. that no one forced upon me. i also have NO desire to be a part of a disenfranchised group i guess thats how you put it, to wear nothign upon my lapel. some christians, or athiests ot muslims buddhists etc, will associate withONLY those who share their beliefs, i consider you a friend, and would associate wiht you, regardless of your beliefs or lack thereof. i am my own person, as you are yours. 

[The Buddha]

the rest have to deal with the backlash, and the labels applied to "their group" lol

===
"ToleranceI am truly perplexed that so many of my friends are against another mosque being built in Sydney.

I think it should be the goal of every Australian to be tolerant.

Thus the Mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance.
That is why I also propose that two nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque, thereby promoting tolerance from within the mosque.

We could call one of the clubs, which would be ghey, "The Turban Cowboy ", and the other a topless bar called "You Mecca Me Hot."

Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbeque pork restaurant, called "Iraq o' Ribs."

Across the street there could be a lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret ", with sexy mannequins in the window modeling the goods.
Next door to the lingerie shop there would be room for an adult sex toy shop, "Koranal Knowledge ", its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store called "Morehammered."

All of this would encourage the Muslims to demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us, so the mosque problem would be solved.

If you agree with promoting tolerance, and you think this is a good plan, please pass it on..."
===

Michael

This is funny, really funny, but not what would annoy muslims the most ...
I'd let them fight and fight and fight and make them pay to change the zoning to "religious" and this and that and then grant them the mosque permit ...

Then the next day I'd grant permits for a pair of churches right next to the mosque, one catholic and one protestant wiht them barely even asking for it ... cos its now religious zone, so they are religious ...

Across the street - you guessed it, a synagogue.
Next to it, a temple - the hindu kind and and on the other side of it a buddhist monastery.

To get to any of these places you need to go through the district you suggested ... that would now be hilarious.

Cool.
Buddha.

[ghostrider_23]

Well I guess we found out what Cain will do.

Now it's on to the next victim. Regardless on who gets in there needs to be term limits on how long politicians can stay