Gun Owners?

[yamahonkawazuki]

i dont own this one. but shop owner does. looking forward to testing itout lol

(SRM 1216)

[adidasguy]

I have an occasional raccoon problem with my koi pond.
I guess a co2 semi-auto 0.177 pellet rifle is in order?
In the city so has to be quiet.
Maybe a Hammerli 850 AirMagnum with a scope?

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[k.rollin]

I'd suggest live traps or fencing the pond for two reasons. A) Raccoons are tough and they can be very aggressive. There's a good chance that a .177 or even a .22 caliber airgun projectile will only cause injury or aggravate it. If you insist on using an airgun, I'd suggest going with a big bore rifle. B) Unless you can be absolutely certain that every pellet you shoot remains on your property and does not enter any place generally open to the public, you'd likely be in violation of Seattle Municipal Code 12A.14.083.

I also don't know what your neighbor situation is like, but being in the city, I'd assume that if you were shooting your airgun in the yard, you'd be in view of someone, and given Seattle's propensity for being anti-gun, you may end up the subject of a 911 MWAG call.

Just one guy's thoughts. YMMV.

[Janx101]

Mmmm yep ... Little air gun pellet doesn't weigh much at all .... However ... If you must .. And don't get caught ... And are a good shot .... Aim for the butt of the ear .. From a rear quartering angle ... Should just about get into the brain pan ... 

However again... Trap with later transport elsewhere or to 'the rangers' if they handle the critters? ... Would be a far safer option for your freedom? 

[adidasguy]

Have been trapping and sending them on their way to raccoon heaven. Neighbors know that and hate raccoon, too. Just want more fun at 4 am and when trapped, they yell so loud.
One night I hit a stupid one on the head with a stick. That was funny. It walked right under the rake handle.

[adidasguy]

In Seattle, raccoons are a legal pest. That means if trapped, they cannot be relocated. Must go to heaven (or I suppose made into pot pie or stew or a 1930's style coat.)

[Badot]

I'll second that raccoons have a good chance of surviving an airgun shot. I've got a .177 magnum with a nitro piston that puts standard pellets supersonic. Still gotta tag them right in the head for a clean kill.

[pliskin]

I concur coons are tough suckers. I had one as a pet as when I was a kid. He walked trough a full size running windows fan (stopping it) and got into the house. Could not find a mark on him. Same with groundhogs, they are even tougher. I use

[adidasguy]

......Still gotta tag them right in the head for a clean kill.

Gives me a reason to become a good marksman.
Raccoons in my area are really stupid. I had a large trap - no bait, no food in it. Once I caught 2 youngsters at the same time. another time an older one just wandered in.

I haven't had any in my pond for over a year since they were trapped and hauled away. It seems time for one to move into this unclaimed territory so I best get ready.

Wouldn't a 10 round repeater at 1000 fps with the right pellets do SOME damage?
http://www.amazon.com/Benjamin-Marauder-Air-Rifle-rifle/dp/B001QUM0O2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=BNPI3JBI1GA&coliid=I3EAAVXTZ9X8DH&psc=1

1000fps for .22 and 1100 fps for .177

Now am I correct in that the way these things are designed, a .22 at 1000 fps would have about the same effect as a .177 at 1100 fps? As energy is mas times speed or would a .177 do more damage to a smaller area than a .22? (I grew up with computers and wish my dad took me hunting more than once  )

Since it is advertised as "This item is not for sale in some specific zip codes" that must mean it is cool and fun!


I guess a 750 fps might not be enough. I heard they hurt, and 1000 fps hurts more?

Other ideas? Cross bow pistol? Thing that goes bang with a thing on it to quiet the bang? Machete? High power laser?  (Damn city laws limits my choices)

I can't leave anything out that would hurt the cats (dogs - meh, they're louder than a Harley.)

[Badot]

Actually, a bolt action .22 with a long barrel and quiet ammo (710 fps was it?) generally hits a bit harder than a 1000 fps .177 air rifle and is surprisingly quiet. You can hear the firing pin drop, a slight 'snap', and then the bullet flying through the air.

[Janx101]

Pellet weight plays a role too .. Looking at the link ..... .25 cal avail! 

My only real concern is with any of these is 'down range' .... As k.rollin said what if a pellet misses and goes elsewhere? .. And the within city limits rules....

But knowing if you accurate ... Go to a target range ... Pay your $ and practice/check what the settings are ... If you nail the centre of target ... You can nail the skull/brain ... 

[adidasguy]

There's one that goes 1500 fps! But it is break barrel so not automatic or semi.
Shooting them: in back yard. Shielded by wood fence and garage.
Koi pond: Shooting down from deck so misses go in the ground.

Bow and arrow could be fun - but that has the same flaw as golf: you gotta go chase your stuff and retrieve it. Unlike bowling - where the machine sendz yur ballz back to you.

PCP or CO2? Or NP (but that is single shot - OK if I get good at it!)

Looks like about 1100 fps is best for CO2 repeaters. Single shot NP I see up to 1500.

[Janx101]

Errr ... I would stay away from bow and arrow for the city ... Unless you turn out to be a crack shot ...

An example ... I've seen a test ... A .22 rifle (powder power not air but the velocity similar) ... Fired at a wet wool blanket hanging on a backyard line ... Bullet got stopped ... Then a arrow was shot at the blanket (much lower fps but massive comparative weight) .. Went straight thru the blanket and an inch into a tree 30 yards behind it! ... I notice you have wood fence and shed ... But a Wet wool blanket with swinging motion/movement actually a pretty difficult thing to penetrate! .. You can drive a arrow or pellet/bullet through a fence if you hit a weak spot! ...

Not saying either is more dangerous than the other really ... But for in city ... Harder to 'aim at a tennis ball sized target' ... Unless you a Hollywood movie man!  ... I think the bow rather more dangerous for accuracy/leakage of shot purposes.

So ... Airgun ... Scope and get the thing zero'd for 30 yards? (I'm thinking cos of your likely range of target)  .. Larger calibre? If you can... Ummm practice, on paper targets, tin cans, small wood blocks ... You want to be ACCURATE for a clean kill ... Leaving a wounded critter is just cruel ...

Oh yeah and camo face paint... Woodsman hunting clothing with RealTree pattern.... Or possibly RealHouse pattern , lmao.... Bandanna .... Suitable chuck Norris quote for after the takedown ...


Lolololol... Nah just winding ya up!!

[adidasguy]

Distance is more like 5 yards at most.
I hit one with a stick on the head one night. He slept well after that. They're that brazen and stupid.

[Janx101]

5 yards? ... get a taser!!

[k.rollin]

When I suggested a big bore airgun, I was thinking something like .357/9mm or larger. Reading the Seattle Municipal Code and the applicable sections of the RCW, I think you may be best protected from a legal standpoint if you were to use a crossbow. You could always try launching the varmints too, if you felt like building a siege engine.

[yamahonkawazuki]

or pay the tax stamp and get a silencer but being in a crowded area, you MUST be a good shot. weve also got that srm 1216 up for sale soon. have 2 more coming in

[Badot]

You could always try launching the varmints too, if you felt like building a siege engine.

Ooh, now we're talking!

Maybe build yourself a little trebuchet... instead of a sling, use a little net with some kind of bait. Pull the pin and watch as they become someone else's problem a few blocks down 

[adidasguy]

or pay the tax stamp and get a silencer but being in a crowded area, you MUST be a good shot. weve also got that srm 1216 up for sale soon. have 2 more coming in

I'll take one! how much? Tax refund coming!

[adidasguy]

When I suggested a big bore airgun, I was thinking something like .357/9mm or larger. Reading the Seattle Municipal Code and the applicable sections of the RCW, I think you may be best protected from a legal standpoint if you were to use a crossbow. You could always try launching the varmints too, if you felt like building a siege engine.

Lets say a varmint enters the house and poses an imminent  thread to my life. I think I'm more open to what I can do. I have had raccoons enter through the kitty door!

A wood chipper would be interesting but I have to catch them first.

We were testing a Crosman Phantom 1000 FPS .177 Break Barrel Air Rifle (Includes 4 X 32mm Scope) that showed up today before we started work on Quin. It was fun. Pretty powerful. I think a raccoon would be unhappy getting hit with that.

but what if they show up en-masse? Now I need a repeater!Cluster bomb? Flame thrower? (no, that would damage the shrubbery.)