Gun Owners?

[mister]

Problem is, politicians, accidentally or on purpose, forget or deliberately ignore, Culture.

Gun use/ownership is higher in Switzerland than the US - percentage - while US has more gun crime. UK gun laws a VERY strict yet the UK leads the US in all violent crimes per capita.

Guns, Knives, Axes, Spear guns, baseball bats, etc., are all just inanimate objects.

Despite the Hassle of gun ownership in Aust, ownership is always increasing without a corresponding Gun Crime increase. That's just the Aussie way. For as per usual, 80% of the crime is committed by 20% of the criminals (roughly).

I think the biggest thing the new gun laws did was link the court DVOs with Gun Ownership as of the Killings before the new laws, really, most were family killings. A man about to have his children removed from him, his home taken away and given to his wife forcing him to live below his previous level and a large part of his income removed reducing him to nothing more than a wallet for a woman he now has the hates on for, is not really in the right frame of mind to be owning a gun. Five years down the track, he will normally have mellowed and is more Used to the situation and that same Level of Hatred and Animosity is gone and he is far less likely to lose his sh!t.

Ditto to violent offenders and mental cases.

[adidasguy]

Most shootings are hand guns. About 75%. Shot guns are a very small percentage. Gun deaths are going down while Americans are arming themselves in record numbers.

Another forum had a link to this video. It is graphic and is about gun shot wounds. (Done by a Seattle doctor). What is interesting are the statistics he gives about what guns are used and the types of injuries. I found it interesting that getting shot doesn't result in death very often. Seems we are scared and think getting hit by a gun will always kill you.

You will need to log into utube and verify your age due to the graphic content. Watch the first half for the statistics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dtku8YI68-JA&has_verified=1

[mister]

Handguns are a LOT harder to acquire down here.

Traditionally, they are the realm of LEO and Security. Nowadays a lot of Sport shooting. Regarding handgun, in my state the process is...

1 - Submit form for eligibility to have license - if you already have a license for rifles you do not need to submit another form.

2 - Join pistol club

3 - Participate in three matches within 6 months (just going to the range shooting is not a match, it is practice and does not count). And get your "range attendance" book signed off.

4 - Do handgun safety course and get Cert saying as much.

5 - 6 months after joining club and doing your minimum shoots you may apply for a handgun license.

6 - Get a letter from the president of the pistol club recommending you be granted a license.

7 - Submit the letter, copy of your safety cert, copy of your range attendance and club membership proof with your application and wait.

8 - Depending on previous licenses etc., the wait will be up to 6 additional months

9 - Upon receiving your license you can Then apply for a permit to buy a handgun. Again, depending on your previous history, another month or so.

10 - Once you have your license, you MUST participate in 6 matches a year for a single caliber. If you own two pistols - say a 22lr and a 38 - then you MUST participate in four matches a year for each caliber. Failure to do the required Minimum attendances / matches will result in your handgun license being revoked. - You cannot have two matches on the one day count as two matches. One match a day only.

[Joolstacho]

I'm a bit bemused by all this. Do they talk this much about motorbikes on gun forums?!
(Oh yes I do have a couple)

[codajastal]

I'm a bit bemused by all this. Do they talk this much about motorbikes on gun forums?!
(Oh yes I do have a couple)

[adidasguy]

I guess the difference is in the USA guns are a right (2nd amendment) and down there it is a privileged.
Probably has to do with England. They set up the colonies here and there. We broke away and our founding fathers probably saw a bad situation when only the government can arm themselves. Hence for us it is a right to bear arms (I don't mean wearing sleeveless T's).

There are states and areas where there are strict laws (I've mentioned that before) and here in Washington  State things are pretty liberal - even open carry is OK.


Unfortunately there are people that freak out at any incident. Gun violence is down - not due to laws - and more people are armed.

There is the - for sake of a better term - "Theory of One". You can relate to and understand one (or a couple) deaths from some cause - like guns or H1N1 - and freak out and demand something be done. However, millions or more deaths in car accidents and you don't care. On the news? "Oh, well...". 30,000 people die from normal flue every year. You don't care. Thousands die from reactions to over the counter pain killers. You don't care. ONE  person MAY have died due to something REMOTELY RELATED to epinephrine and you freak out and demand something be done. There are now bans on it because one baseball player has-been died and happened to have some of it. They say there have been 10 deaths in 10 years related to epinephrine. OK - RELATED TO not CAUSED BY and 1 per year? Come on. Is that a reason to regulate it? Oh, wait... we can all relate to ONE famous person. More people die from aspirin overdose every day than that.

Why is this? You can understand one or a few. Your brain just can't process 1000 or 1,000,000. ....and that is why everyone freaks out over one shooting but doesn't care about millions of deaths in cars. Motorcycles: few enough that most people can understand the numbers so motorcycles are bad. Thousands of deaths falling in a bath tub? Too many to even comprehend.

Secondly there is the "I don't do that" syndrome. If you do it - you accept the risk and deaths and accidents are OK. If you don't do it, ONE injury and you want to ban it, regulate it or restrict it.

We can no longer accept that something was done by an isolated crazy person. We can't accept something cause by freak metal fatigue or an isolated part in something failing due to a one time flaw in manufacturing.

Part of that is due to our brains wanting to put order into chaos. We see patterns where none exist. We see things happening in 3's when it is only because someone mentioned it. We have superstitions to try to explain the freak accident (breaking a mirror, stepping on a crack, walking under a ladder....). Something happens and we try to put a pattern to it: a conspiracy, terrorist group or something else. Our brains can not accept an isolated incident as just that - a once in a lifetime happening. We have to build something around it in order to try to understand it.

and so with any gun incident. We want patterns and when something happens, we MUST do something because we can't accept it as an isolated happening.

(And there are motorcycle discussions on some of the gun forums.....)

[Badot]

The main problem I see is that where guns are spreading to become a cultural normal among groups that aren't typically stereotyped as gun people (military/cops/farmers/hunters/woodsmen/etc) it's viewed too much as a hobby. Yes, guns can be your hobby, but too many people consider guns their hobby plaything rather than the potentially dangerous as **** things/tools that they are. This gets to be an even larger problem when kids are exposed to this behavior coupled with a dangerously vague understanding of how they work from games and movies, and no actual gun education. When I was in school all I got was "If you see a gun, run away and tell an adult.". Not too helpful for anyone past 5 years old.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Fair enough. but situations that sadly arise there are not he guns fault, that lies on the owner. i had kept my weapons at point sin the house that kids could not reach, but i could with ease. here at shop im no more than 10FT from a loaded ( anything from a .357 to a .454) no one has access but us. even if they did, theyd not see em.

[adidasguy]

The new problem is people demanding universal background checks to prevent the criminals and insane from getting guns.
First, most criminals don't care about laws. That's because they are a criminal.
Second, being insane isn't on your record if you've never been committed to a nut house. And even that might not be on a record due to patient privacy issues.
Records when a minor may be sealed even after you turn 21 so young criminals would not be detected with a background check.
What constitutes crimes to prohibit gun ownership can be vague. A traffic offense could do it. While repeated calls to 911 for domestic violence would not unless actually charged and convicted of that crime. A crime in another state may not show up but a conviction for something 40 years ago when you were a teenager might still show up.

[weedahoe]

Picked up a S&W sw40ve (40 cal) the other day for cheap. Hard case, 2 clips, several boxes of ammo (most 180 grain hollow points). Like new. really clean

[yamahonkawazuki]

The new problem is people demanding universal background checks to prevent the criminals and insane from getting guns.
First, most criminals don't care about laws. That's because they are a criminal.
Second, being insane isn't on your record if you've never been committed to a nut house. And even that might not be on a record due to patient privacy issues.
Records when a minor may be sealed even after you turn 21 so young criminals would not be detected with a background check.
What constitutes crimes to prohibit gun ownership can be vague. A traffic offense could do it. While repeated calls to 911 for domestic violence would not unless actually charged and convicted of that crime. A crime in another state may not show up but a conviction for something 40 years ago when you were a teenager might still show up.

regarding the nüthaus, if its INVOLUNTARY or adjudicated mentally ill. its a denial. if voluntary then no.

[adidasguy]

Wow! price of ammo has gone back up.030 is through the roof - hard to find under 90 cents.
.22's rare under 10 cents now.
WTF?

Anyone got 3030's to get rid of? My Marlin lever action is hungry.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Wow! price of ammo has gone back up.030 is through the roof - hard to find under 90 cents.
.22's rare under 10 cents now.
WTF?

Anyone got 3030's to get rid of? My Marlin lever action is hungry.

yup noticed this myself. if i could find an orm-d tag id send ya some 3030

[Badot]

Hey, my Cabela's finally has .22 ammo back in stock. Only $100 for 250 rounds, what a deal! 
I can make 500 rounds of 9mm luger for less than that.

On the other hand, I'm starting to have trouble finding some of the Hodgdon Longshot that I like using, I may switch powder soon and stock up when I find one I like.

Didn't you get some reloading stuff adidas? Not doing 30-30?

[adidasguy]

Just starting to do it.
Still learning.

You sure $100 for 250 isn't .22 magnum? Those are usually 35 cents to 45 cents each.

[Badot]

Standard 22lr. It's some local-ish brand I think. You can usually find the Eley match ammo around here $20 per 50 too.

On the plus side, went in to the little hole-in-the-wall place near here today for some powder and they had a 500 round brick of Reminton Thunderbolt for $36  I lucked out big time on that.

[slipperymongoose]

Hmmmmmm I'm debating which way to go for this new rifle. .308 or .260 remington

[Janx101]

Hmmmmmm I'm debating which way to go for this new rifle. .308 or .260 remington

personally .. between the 2 id go just plain old 308 .. which is odd for me cos im not a fan of that round...

the 260 is very close to your swede in performance... and in most cases its 'lighter' hitting that the swede...

308 is also pretty much guaranteed to have ammo avail EVERYWHERE! ..

plus for comparison between the 2 choices... bullet weight... you can have a heavier slug going slower and still get a critical hit easier with the 308 ...

just sayin ...

unless you wanted to go with an idea i had years ago... something like a 416 rigby shell necked down to 6.5 ... now THAT would be something  .. of course then you would need a magnum length action... which you dont have..

if you dont already have something in 30 cal i reckon just go 308 bro 

[yamahonkawazuki]

know anybody that shoots 327 federal magnum? weve got an assload of it here, and no one needs it. heh my boss in a sheer moment of brilliance lol

[Kijona]

know anybody that shoots 327 federal magnum? weve got an assload of it here, and no one needs it. heh my boss in a sheer moment of brilliance lol

I almost [accidentally] bought a Ruger GP100 in 327. I was excited because I had been looking all around for one and it was a steal of a deal (obviously due to the odd caliber). I got really giddy and started filling out paperwork without really looking at the gun (it was brand new) and it wasn't until the guy brought the box that I realized my error. Could've been bad! Thankfully it wasn't.