In 6th gear, click down a couple, next I'm in neutral?

[peterscotts]

Heading home today, hammering along in 6th gear, start to slow down to take a corner...

I click down a couple, next thing.. 

I'm in neutral..

Thought I should of been in 4th..

WTF

Anyone else experienced this?

[sledge]

Congratulations   

Looks like you have found a false neutral for the first time 

[codajastal]

Looks like its time for an oil thread and how that will solve your neutral problem

[sledge]

Oil??

I would try kicking the lever bit harder before anything else 

[peterscotts]

Congratulations   

Looks like you have found a false neutral for the first time 

Fair Dink Um Sledge! Thought me bike was f%&ked.. I remember this sort of shaZam! going on with bikes back in the day.. But.. Hey... Well it's 2013, thought this shaZam! would of been sorted... My mistake.. Thanks for your reply! 

[peterscotts]

Oil??

I would try kicking the lever bit harder before anything else 

Kick it.. I'd put it through the ground Sledge... 

[peterscotts]

Looks like its time for an oil thread and how that will solve your neutral problem

OIL Cods  

[Malfruen]

f%$k me, if I counted all the false neutrals I got riding my ex-fiancees Kwaka Ninja 250R to where we were selling it, I'd have to grow 5 more hands. Damn thing WOULD NOT GO INTO 6TH! I ended up with a bruise on the top of my foot where I was bashing it into gear through my boots. Stupid thing only had a service done on it a week prior.

[peterscotts]

f%$k me, if I counted all the false neutrals I got riding my ex-fiancees Kwaka Ninja 250R to where we were selling it, I'd have to grow 5 more hands. Damn thing WOULD NOT GO INTO 6TH! I ended up with a bruise on the top of my foot where I was bashing it into gear through my boots. Stupid thing only had a service done on it a week prior.

LOL.. Can't help bad luck.. Though really should be better than that! 

[Twisted]

Heading home today, hammering along in 6th gear, start to slow down to take a corner...

I click down a couple, next thing.. 

I'm in neutral..

Thought I should of been in 4th..

WTF

Anyone else experienced this?

Wait till you are coming up to a tight corner and expecting to use a lil engine braking to slow you down and you hit a false neutral. Pucker moment! 

[peterscotts]

Heading home today, hammering along in 6th gear, start to slow down to take a corner...

I click down a couple, next thing.. 

I'm in neutral..

Thought I should of been in 4th..

WTF

Anyone else experienced this?

Wait till you are coming up to a tight corner and expecting to use a lil engine braking to slow you down and you hit a false neutral. Pucker moment! 

TRUE! 

[Zethioth]

I wondered the same thing when I found my first neutral.

So basically what is happening is the the shifter found a spot in the middle, for example, 4th and 5th and that can give a false neutral?

(Trying to understand what is happening)

[adidasguy]

The gears slide back & forth. The motor and stuff needs to be turning so when they slide, the rotations will allow the gears to mesh and slide in to place.

I believe a false neutral is where the gears didn't mesh at the time you pressed the lever so the gears came out of one and didn't make it into the other gear. So they are in limbo between gears.

Once in a while I get a false neutral. I can tell because the shifter lever doesn't move the full distance. So I just give it another tap and I'm OK.

[gsJack]

GS has a constant mesh tranny, gears don't slide, dogs slide to engage gears to shaft.  All gears are constantly engaged.  Dogs are more rugged and require less travel to engage than sliding gears would.  False neutral leaves dog short of engagement. 

[adidasguy]

GS has a constant mesh tranny, gears don't slide, dogs slide to engage gears to shaft.  All gears are constantly engaged.  Dogs are more rugged and require less travel to engage than sliding gears would.  False neutral leaves dog short of engagement. 

You're saying what I'm saying but in different terms.
Gears on one shaft (A) are always turning. Gears on other (B) are also turning but the fork fingers slide them left & right so the correct gear of part B mates with the gear in part A for whatever gear you want. If they happen to not slip into place, then you can get a false neutral. True neutral is the spot where B is not supposed to have any gear mating with gears on part A.

Same thing, we're just saying it differently.

I'm now too old to really use the right terms. I forget. I forgot. I don't remember.

[gsJack]

You're too old now?    Then I must have been too old 20 years ago. 

[adidasguy]

You're too old now?    Then I must have been too old 20 years ago. 

I've never been this old before. It is a new experience.
You've been this old for a long time  so you're used to it.

[gsJack]

You're too old now?    Then I must have been too old 20 years ago. 

I've never been this old before. It is a new experience.
You've been this old for a long time  so you're used to it.

Good point!   

[peterscotts]

GS has a constant mesh tranny, gears don't slide, dogs slide to engage gears to shaft.  All gears are constantly engaged.  Dogs are more rugged and require less travel to engage than sliding gears would.  False neutral leaves dog short of engagement. 

You're saying what I'm saying but in different terms.
Gears on one shaft (A) are always turning. Gears on other (B) are also turning but the fork fingers slide them left & right so the correct gear of part B mates with the gear in part A for whatever gear you want. If they happen to not slip into place, then you can get a false neutral. True neutral is the spot where B is not supposed to have any gear mating with gears on part A.

Same thing, we're just saying it differently.

I'm now too old to really use the right terms. I forget. I forgot. I don't remember.

OK.. I got it.. So do you think this day and age that there be any sort of engineering feat that could fix this problem? 

[adidasguy]

Tranny expertis should know. But in my humble opinion it could be a slightly bent tranny shifter fork thingy that moves you into 5th from 4th. It may be loose or bent a little so it doesn't always move the grear correctly.