Hate to tell you but your pit bull sucks

[Kijona]

I have to agree that it's not in the dog's nature to attack humans for the most part. They are protective of their owners, like most dogs, and can be as mean as any other dog raised improperly.

Ask me how many times I've been bitten/bitten at by a pit? 0

Then ask me how many times I've been bitten by a small breed dog like a chihuahua or other high-strung animal? At least half a dozen, probably more times. I can't count the number of times I've been around a small dog like that that will come up and try to bite my ankles and is extremely aggressive.

The problem is not the dog itself, it's the owners. Much like a child, if you raise a dog right it will be exactly what it's supposed to be: Man's Best Friend.

And moreover...what about how it's in most dogs' nature to attack cats? The only ones that don't are the ones that are raised properly. Even then, it's still the dog's nature. Most dogs have this and I guarantee you if a cat gets trapped with a dog that isn't 100% fine with them, it'll end up dead. Does that mean dogs should be outlawed or something else ridiculous? No. Making a dog or other animal illegal based on stereotypes is stupid.

[RossLH]

Whatever....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313892/Shocking-CCTV-clip-shows-pit-bull-owner-HELPING-dog-savage-pregnant-cat-death.html

He was repeatedly kicking the poor cat, it was horrific

Blame the dog.

[adidasguy]

Dog attacked cat first. Owner just doing what dog did. Stupid owner.


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[RossLH]

Where do you think the dog learned it from? Clearly the owner is a piece of sh1t.

Dogs are not autonomous creatures. They constantly learn from and feed off the behaviors of their owners.

[Kijona]

Whatever....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313892/Shocking-CCTV-clip-shows-pit-bull-owner-HELPING-dog-savage-pregnant-cat-death.html

He was repeatedly kicking the poor cat, it was horrific

Blame the dog.

Am I the only one who sees it as the owner trying to get that cat off the dog? Granted, and this is the biggest point here, the dog started the fight. However, what exactly would YOU have done in this situation? Some cat you don't even know is mauling your dog...are you going to just stand back and watch? No. Are you going to try to separate them with your arms/hands? Probably not for fear of getting bitten/scratched/etc.. I don't think firing a gun in public would go over well either. So unless you have some kind of stick or something with you, the most logical solution is to try to get your foot/leg between them.

Again, I'm not really taking sides with this guy kicking an animal repeatedly like that. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate a little.

[adidasguy]

Cat saves fellow feline from sniper attack my raging pit bull. Story at 11.

[RossLH]

However, what exactly would YOU have done in this situation?

I'd subdue the dog and remove it from the area.

(And before anyone tries to say I can't subdue a little pit, I've wrestled down some much bigger dogs that were pretty unhappy to see me. I wouldn't have any problem with a pit.)

[Janx101]

thats not a good situation... whichever way its looked at ..

that dog though... is a Bull Terrier

.. but not a Pit Bull ..

....

agreed the bull terrier is still a very hardy/tough and semi aggressive dog , still has the 'lock jaw' ... but not the ferocity of a pit bull .. and yes there are bull terriers and pit bulls that are 'placid and lovely dogs around their owners and families' .. at times...

that owner should know better though... he probably could have reined the dog in if he was watching.. before it grabbed the cat... if he cant control the lunges of the dog.. then thats the wrong dog! ...

even walking a Labrador (food vaccum) that i used to have... and we had cats at home that would snuggle up with him... out on a walk i had to keep an eye out for 'stranger' cats... cos the dog would get excited and rush up to say hello.. the cats would hiss and spit and swipe .. then it could be a situation... almost happened twice... so even with a floppy labrador you need to keep the hound on a firm lead or harness and watch out for whats around...

and yes i do feel bad for the cat

[RossLH]

still has the 'lock jaw'

The jaws of pits do not lock. Their bites are not as strong as the average domesticated dog. If you're afraid of strong bites, stay away from rottweilers; the bite of a rottweiler is about 50% stronger than that of a pit bull.

[Janx101]

still has the 'lock jaw'

The jaws of pits do not lock. Their bites are not as strong as the average domesticated dog. If you're afraid of strong bites, stay away from rottweilers; the bite of a rottweiler is about 50% stronger than that of a pit bull.

uh .. ok then... a friends female pit must be a freak then... cos that biatch locks! .. last time onto the lawnmower wheel when he was in the yard... suppose there are always minor variations in the individual breeding line/parentage 

rottweiler is generally 50% bigger too...  .. which brings to mind... wonder what the bite of a irish wolfhound or rhodesian ridgeback cross would be? 

honestly... i do not personally have any 'beef' with pitbulls.... just with their owners that do not/cannot control them properly .. and with the true 'muttdogs' that fight them against other animals...  .. the dogs may have have a bit of a mean streak in certain circumstances... but ownership itself should have much stricter controls... none of this "uhhh well the dawg is reely good around the kiddies.. and i dont understand how it could have got through our hodgepodge rotten fence!?" .. make sure the dog is secure! or wear the financial consequences ....

which a lot of the owners CANT .. cos 'they gots no money!' ... hrrmm... maybe some form of $$$ insurance that solely focusses on the victims of the dog IF its not controlled.... and still loss of the dog in the meantime... so ... sure you can have a pitbull! .. live it up! .. but THIS is what its going to cost you!! .. no insurance... community service... lockup .. other penalty that impinges on the 'lifestyle' ?? ... 200 hours of picking up dog crap in public parks maybe? .. per offence .. and increasing value of hours with each offence... NO ONE like picking up random dog crap!! 

[RossLH]

uh .. ok then... a friends female pit must be a freak then... cos that biatch locks! .. last time onto the lawnmower wheel when he was in the yard... suppose there are always minor variations in the individual breeding line/parentage 

They certainly have a determined bite, but there is no mechanism in their jaw that locks the jaw in the closed position. It's just a simple bite and hold, which again is a pretty average number for domesticated dogs.

[Janx101]

fair enough then ... the dog does make some fierce noises while on 'lawnmower patrol' ... and he doesnt exactly get right down in there and wiggle his fingers about near her teeth! ..

he has lifted the dog (biting the wheel) and the mower (only just) completely off the ground before... he got tired first...

he refers to it as locking... i'll mention it ... no prob really...

in a way it could even be funnier that even without a lockjaw she is that bloody determined! .. 

he had to stop tying her up or locking her inside the house while he mowed .. she was starting to damage herself and the house! .. and the washing line pole started to lean too... and its always the left front wheel ... he took the wheel off and she just ran beside the mower and 'SCREAMED' .. weird.. neighbours started to complain... so he goes to old mower places and stocks up on spare wheels each year ... yes he could probably 'cesar milan' train her out of it... but she IS old now... nearly 13 and looks so happy to have 'got that bastard mower' again... he hasnt the heart to stop it.

as a younger dog he took her to weight pulling competitions... she used to pull over 2000lbs... but i cant remember how much over... a pretty determined pup! .. think the rules are/were .. keep piling bags of kibble/other dog food pellets onto a pallet.. last dog standing wins the pallet of food!? ... he used to give a lot of it back to the comp or away to other owners... more the sporting aspect of it and the dogs happy face after a comp day.

anyway .. another long winded comment...

i wouldnt own a pit ... just not my style of dog.. waaaaaaay too energetic...

.. maybe another Labrador.... st bernard? ... british bulldog? ... (wanders off) .. maybe a bull mastiff .. hmmm

[yamahonkawazuki]

uh .. ok then... a friends female pit must be a freak then... cos that biatch locks! .. last time onto the lawnmower wheel when he was in the yard... suppose there are always minor variations in the individual breeding line/parentage 

They certainly have a determined bite, but there is no mechanism in their jaw that locks the jaw in the closed position. It's just a simple bite and hold, which again is a pretty average number for domesticated dogs.

the muscles on the pits jaws I think is what most are referring to.

[RossLH]

.. maybe another Labrador.... st bernard? ... british bulldog? ... (wanders off) .. maybe a bull mastiff .. hmmm

I've had labs my whole life. They're just big, happy idiots. Gotta love them. A friend of mine had a very aggressive bull mastiff. That thing was 140lbs of roid rage. Definitely didn't like new people (she was rescued from an abusive household, had a few quirks), but she warmed up to me after I pinned her to the ground.

the muscles on the pits jaws I think is what most are referring to.

It's nothing any other breed of dog cant do. I've picked a 105lb labrador retriever up by a rope, and she wasn't a particularly fit dog. There's really nothing special about a pit's jaw, jaw muscles, teeth, any of that stuff.

[yamahonkawazuki]

can a pits jaws be unclamped from whatever its clamped on to?

[Janx101]

can a pits jaws be unclamped from whatever its clamped on to?

i aint stickin my hand in to find out!!! 

[Zookmang]

can a pits jaws be unclamped from whatever its clamped on to?

Yes, with a crowbar.

[RossLH]

can a pits jaws be unclamped from whatever its clamped on to?

Yes, just like any other dog.

[yamahonkawazuki]

can a pits jaws be unclamped from whatever its clamped on to?

Yes, just like any other dog.

weird. I hear otherwise from many places. will look into this   :thumb:no intention to ever own one, but many thanks

[codajastal]

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/truth-about-pit-bulls

Pit Bull Myths

There are numerous myths circulating about pit bulls, some invented by people who are afraid of the breed and others disseminated by well-meaning pit bull advocates. A few of the most common myths follow:

"Pit bulls have locking jaws!" This is patently false. There is nothing unique about the anatomy of pit bull jaws. They do not "lock." The pit bull's fighting style, like that of other terriers, usually involves grabbing and shaking. Perhaps because of their hunting and bull-baiting history, some pit bulls also have a tendency to grab and hold on with determination. This does not mean that they can't or won't let go of another dog once they bite. However, because they're powerful dogs, pit bulls do have strong jaw muscles. Like all dog parents, pit bull parents should know how to break up a dog fight. Please see our article on Breaking up a Dog Fight to learn more about this important topic.
"If a pit bull bites another dog, he's going to start biting people next." Research confirms that dog-aggressive dogs are no more likely to direct aggression toward people than dogs who aren't aggressive to other dogs. In fact, some of the best fighting dogs are the most trustworthy with people.
"All pit bulls are gentle angels who can be left unsupervised with dogs of any size, cats and other animals." Pit bulls aren't vicious monsters—but they are dogs who have been bred to fight with other dogs. While some pit bulls are indeed very easygoing, others should not be left alone with other dogs, cats or other pets. Pit bulls are strong, determined dogs. It might not be a pit bull who starts a disagreement, but he may be the one to finish it.
"The dog park is a great place to socialize pit bulls." This statement is sometimes true. Some pit bulls visit dog parks on a daily basis to frolic happily with many dog friends. For others, however, the dog park isn't an appropriate place to play. This raises quite a dilemma for some urban pit bull parents. Pit bulls are high-energy dogs and need lots of exercise, but some just aren't good candidates for the dog park. Because they're very muscular and easily excited, friendly pit bulls can sometimes overwhelm and even injure their playmates during rough games. And pit bulls may become aggressive more quickly when exposed to the hectic, high-octane energy of a dog park environment. If there's a squabble, a pit bull may be one of the first dogs to jump into the fray. For these reasons, many responsible pit bull parents find other ways to exercise their dogs. (See Pit Bull Needs, below, for tips on exercising your pit bull.)