Arizona Beverage

[Watcher]

I've been trying to cut down on soda intake but its very difficult, I've switched over to Arizona Beverage drinks as a (slightly) healthier alternative.  So far so good.

But I couldn't help but notice that Arizona is one ass backwards company.

Arizona, an American company, based in Woodbury NewYork, and the drink itself is a product of Canada...

[Janx101]

Bahahaha .. welcome to the marvellous world of cheapest supply, cheap registration and world marketing! 

At one point in my life i drove a freight truck in Sydney, Australia. We regularly had loads to transfer for a carpet company.... like this.

1. Pickup Wool Bales from Sydney and ship to Brisbane (950km roughly) to be cleaned and woven into woolen thread suitable for carpet
2. Ship pallets of the thread from Brisbane to Adelaide (2000km) to be dyed appropriate colours
3. Ship pallets of thread to from Adelaide to Hobart (Tasmania and 1450km away including a overnight section on a large vehicle ferry) to be Woven into fancy Axminster carpet (about  $300/lineal metre!)
4. Ship Rolls of carpet from Hobart to Melbourne (734km including back on the ferry) to be stored in the company's mega warehouse
5. Ship various rolls of carpet from Melbourne all over the East Coast of Australia when ordered (up to 3500km away roughly)

The carpet company in Tasmania used to do ALL the processes in-house down in Tasmania (they only used to transport the wool bales from wherever they bought them, but their old premises were getting dangerous in the structure and had to be replaced/rebuilt or relocate to a new site.... They worked out that it was cheaper in total to do all the road freight and sub contract the processes to other existing businesses. National/International economics and Costs/Insurances are bizarre when you look at them sometimes. 

[The Buddha]

Ooo nice, basically a round trip around australia. Its like this.
We (the US) import cookies from holland. Say 100,000 tonnes
We export cookies to holland. About 90,000 tonnes if I recall, the 2 numbers were very close.

Wont it just be cheaper to trade recipies. Oooo I forgot, then these 2 companies go out of business ... we're rather ship the crap all over the place, fleece the buying public and destroy the planet using up the 1 time gift we got from dead dinosaurs.

Cool.
Buddha.

[Watcher]

I'm always amazed at the cost of outsourcing.

Perfect example, there's a drum company called DW that makes very high quality drums and hardware.  Their flagship drumset, called the "Collector Series", is around a $4000 kit.

They have 2 cheaper options, one of them is called the "Design Series".  Same exact wood and shell design as the Collector Series, not as many finish options available, and the hardware is slightly different (some bits are physically smaller, but just as high quality), but the biggest thing is that the kits as pieces are shipped down to Mexico for assembly, then back to the USA for QC inspection, tuning, and shipping to stores.
The price of the Design Series kits?  $1500.

Never mind the fewer finish choices and different hardware, essentially shipping down to Mexico, Mexican labor, shipping back to the US, and the customs fees all put together is about half the cost of paying Americans to put the drumkit together...




Well, at least it's still American produced, owned, and manufactured.  If they figured out a way to make a DW in my price range, I'm at least able to say I own an American made drumset!
A Design Series 5 piece kit in "Tobacco Fade" is on my list!

[bombsquad83]

The new HD Street 500 and 750 are made in India and "assembled" in the US.  I'll bet what they mean by assembly is that they put the wheels on...  They will be very careful in all official PR not to mention manufacturing in India!

[The Buddha]

The new HD Street 500 and 750 are made in India and "assembled" in the US.  I'll bet what they mean by assembly is that they put the wheels on...  They will be very careful in all official PR not to mention manufacturing in India!

That will work ... just until the Injuns pull a china ...

Pre 2008 americans and europeans outsources sheite to china, and they basically bought all the crap the chinese made ...
In 2008 demand plummeted. So they quit buying all their crap.
Post 2008 the chinese cranked em out, cut out the middle man and sold it for less $$ to the same buyers and kept the difference.
When will we ever learn.
You cant protect your patents or any of that garbage if you let someone else get their hands in all the crap.

In a couple years I hope to buy an Injun HD ... hey, would that be an "Indian motorcycle"

Cool.
Buddha.

[Watcher]

Wow, HD is making a 500 and a 750?  I'd say its about time they started getting back into smaller displacement engines.  They've lost the new/young rider and commuter market quite some time ago...

I'll have to test ride one and see if they're dogs like the 883 is.

[noworries]

You all, just steer clear of putting anything Chinese into your personal food system, ya hear.

[Big Rich]

Watcher, I think Motorcyclist magazine did a quick review of the new HD 500 & 750. And IIRC the 750 was faster and lighter than the 883.

If I get a chance, I'll dig up the numbers and edit this post.

[The Buddha]

The 500 "cafe" looks an awful lot like a cruiser to me, and well, atleast in looks, quite porky.
But it is water cooled, so maybe it can be not a slow revving porky pig.

I think i am giving up on the idea anyone will make a decent commuter. IMHO it has to have running and  wear items gear that are either never needing repair/replacement like belt drive and hydraulic valves, or very inexpensive like 15" rear tar and 19" front. It needs to in terms of maintenance rival a car. And no it cant be super hard to get to anything (like a vulcan 750) whose alternator cant be got out without taking out the motor form the frame.

If they sorted out a few aspects of a GS it could make that bike.

Cool.
Buddha.

[cWj]

Arizona as an alternative to soda? I thought it was less acid but more sugar.

One thing I appreciate about being New York is the availability of seltzer/sparkling water. It usually solves my bubbly drink urge. I worked promoting a Pepsi product one summer and was amazed at how easy and quickly the caffeine urge took over.

Good luck on the reduced intake of (insert bad stuff).

(shudder)

[Watcher]

Arizona as an alternative to soda? I thought it was less acid but more sugar.

Seems like less of both, just more servings per can, obviously...

[cWj]

Seems like less of both, just more servings per can, obviously...

http://www.sugarstacks.com/beverages.htm

Not really that much less. Nevertheless, people tend to treat that 24oz can the same as that 12oz can of soda. If used as a single serving (and who won't since you can't un-pop a top), you end up with basically twice as much sugar as a cola.

Teas and juice-themed drinks are viewed as "healthier". but it's rarely the case. Study those nutrition labels diligently - refined sugar is the cheapest way to add flavor content.

[Watcher]

Seems like less of both, just more servings per can, obviously...

http://www.sugarstacks.com/beverages.htm

Not really that much less. Nevertheless, people tend to treat that 24oz can the same as that 12oz can of soda. If used as a single serving (and who won't since you can't un-pop a top), you end up with basically twice as much sugar as a cola.

Teas and juice-themed drinks are viewed as "healthier". but it's rarely the case. Study those nutrition labels diligently - refined sugar is the cheapest way to add flavor content.

Well, it used to be that I'd drink several cans of pop a day at work, and I've been able to reduce it to one big can of Arizona something throughout the day or a SoBe or Snapple or something.  I can't just up and quit to water, but I'm doing the best I can...

[cWj]

Progress is progress. I never thought I'd be able to drink green tea straight, but I finally got acclimated to it.

Consider brewing up your own batch. You'll probably save some change and you can better control what's in it. I've done that a few times without even using hot water and it worked. It takes longer, of course.

[The Buddha]

Progress is progress. I never thought I'd be able to drink green tea straight, but I finally got acclimated to it.

Consider brewing up your own batch. You'll probably save some change and you can better control what's in it. I've done that a few times without even using hot water and it worked. It takes longer, of course.

He he he ... ferment the sucker. Get a "Komucha baby", add Sacchromyces Boulardii (spelling) to the baby and make the tea sweet to start with, and watch the fun. You can get 5% achohol with that combo and sacc b is good for you as are the whole slew of live cultures in the thing and the alcohol is ... well damn cool.

Cool.
Buddha.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Kinda reminds me of the bee gees concert was called one night only shot in vegas. Anyhoo guys from the isle of man, singing a song about massachusetts, while in vegas