:dunno_white: Does anyone have a GS500 with an intregrated brakes system? I just brought and 2006 Gs500 and i'm not sure if it has intregrated brakes b/c i don't have my user manuel yet.[img]http://[img]
It doesn't have integrated brakes, thankfully. You'll be thankful for that later. Only a few bikes on the market still have that, including the Honda Interceptor 800.
Your user manual should be under your set on top of of the tool set.
is integrated brakes the same as an anti dive system on the forks? or is it some form of the front and back brakes being linked as one system?
The latter.
Linked front and back. Silliness.
yeah i rode a goldwing with integrated brakes and it was a little unsettling. I'll stick with more control over dummy control.
Well that's just stupid because if you slam on the brakes, the front will lock up and you'll go down. But with traditional brakes you can slam on the back all you want with little consequence, other than flat spots on your tire.
Thanx for the imput :thumb:
Quote from: budget speed demon on February 01, 2006, 02:52:56 PM
Well that's just stupid because if you slam on the brakes, the front will lock up and you'll go down. But with traditional brakes you can slam on the back all you want with little consequence, other than flat spots on your tire.
No offense, but I consider this to be very bad advice. The majority of your braking power should come from the front brake, which is difficult if not impossible to lock up.
If you lock up the rear brake you are asking for a highside. If you ever DO happen to lock up the rear brake, keep it locked up until you come to a complete stop. Letting off the back brake is what can cause a high side (read, nasty crash).
From what I understand, most integrated systems link the front brake with the back, but not the back with the front...
So, when you're stopping with the front it will apply 60% (or something) to the rear... But, when you hit the rear, it does nothing to the front.
If I'm wrong, then integrated brakes are really dumb...
And, no... GS has none of that fancy-schmancy stuff.
Quote from: RVertigo on February 01, 2006, 04:38:28 PM
From what I understand, most integrated systems link the front brake with the back, but not the back with the front...
So, when you're stopping with the front it will apply 60% (or something) to the rear... But, when you hit the rear, it does nothing to the front.
If I'm wrong, then integrated brakes are really dumb...
And, no... GS has none of that fancy-schmancy stuff.
It applys front brake when you use the rear, too. They're dumb.
So you can eat it in corners? That's a feature? :icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: RVertigo on February 01, 2006, 04:45:06 PM
So you can eat it in corners? That's a feature? :icon_rolleyes:
Pretty much. A handy feature for people like me who seem to do it anyways. It'll just let me do it faster!!
I do it too... But, only when I'm going really fast and it's wet out... :oops:
Quote from: RVertigo on February 01, 2006, 04:45:06 PM
So you can eat it in corners? That's a feature? :icon_rolleyes:
Dude.. your post, and Alpha's response made me laugh out loud.. my roommates think I'm nuts... glad I'm not the only one that thinks this is a dumb option...
Also keep in mind, MOST of the Intergrated braking systems are put on very large and heavy motorcycles. Most riders of this kind of bike tend to NOT run into corners hot,Late brake, or drag the pegs with a smile, rather instead they tend to pull trailers and have Modular helmets with innercom systems and Climate controled Beverage holder.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on February 01, 2006, 04:47:19 PM
Quote from: RVertigo on February 01, 2006, 04:45:06 PM
So you can eat it in corners? That's a feature? :icon_rolleyes:
Pretty much. A handy feature for people like me who seem to do it anyways. It'll just let me do it faster!!
I thought sneezing was your nemesis, AlphaFire...
I think life in general is my problem! :laugh:
Quote from: Blueknyt on February 01, 2006, 06:29:34 PM
Also keep in mind, MOST of the Intergrated braking systems are put on very large and heavy motorcycles. Most riders of this kind of bike tend to NOT run into corners hot,Late brake, or drag the pegs with a smile, rather instead they tend to pull trailers and have Modular helmets with innercom systems and Climate controled Beverage holder.
While I do agree blueknyt... check out this thread from awhile ago, that I just happened to remember reading:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=21300.90
crazy stuff in the first post on the last (7th) page
Quote from: Jake D on February 01, 2006, 03:37:34 PM
Quote from: budget speed demon on February 01, 2006, 02:52:56 PM
Well that's just stupid because if you slam on the brakes, the front will lock up and you'll go down. But with traditional brakes you can slam on the back all you want with little consequence, other than flat spots on your tire.
No offense, but I consider this to be very bad advice. The majority of your braking power should come from the front brake, which is difficult if not impossible to lock up.
If you lock up the rear brake you are asking for a highside. If you ever DO happen to lock up the rear brake, keep it locked up until you come to a complete stop. Letting off the back brake is what can cause a high side (read, nasty crash).
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You think the front is hard to lock up? :cookoo:
I'm not trying to insult you, but your comments seem to come from someone who has done more reading on racing, then practical experience on a bike. Have you ever had a high side? Or a low side? Or locked up the front brake? Or only heard about them?
As for asking for a high side, its only going to happen if you lock up the rear in a corner and then regain traction quickly. Locking up the rear in a straight line results in the classic 'bicycle skid'
And I think you should limit the use of your front brake because if the front wheel locks up, YOU'RE GOING DOWN. There's no ifs, ands, or maybe's about it.
If the front locks up, you're ending up with your face in the dirt.
I hardly ever use my front brake. I reserve it for those times when I need the extra little stopping power.
I've locked up my front before. I've lost the front end in a turn before and didn't crash. I've lost the front in a straight line before and didn't go down.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on February 01, 2006, 08:21:21 PM
I've locked up my front before. I've lost the front end in a turn before and didn't crash. I've lost the front in a straight line before and didn't go down.
When you say 'lost' do you mean lock up? Or the front started to lose traction? Cause theres a difference. I honestly don't see how you could lock up the front wheel while in a turn and not go down. although I do understand how you could keep the bike up if you were going perfactly straight and not too fast, and locked up the front.
I've locked the front when in a turn and didn't go down. I've also lost traction on the front end in a turn.
I choose to reject your reality and substitute my own.
Why is it that the back brake locks up easier? My guess is that it's because that's also where power gets delivered, but I'm not sure.
Quote from: budget speed demon on February 01, 2006, 11:46:45 PM
I choose to reject your reality and substitute my own.
The time when I locked the front in a turn was a parking lot maneuver and I panicked and grabbed the front. I planted my foot REALLY hard and kept the bike up. I would have gone down, though :p. My ankle was sore for days. Losing the front in a turn can be recovered if you know what to do.
Quote from: brett on February 01, 2006, 11:47:08 PM
Why is it that the back brake locks up easier? My guess is that it's because that's also where power gets delivered, but I'm not sure.
It's because there isn't a lot of weight on the rear wheel, which means not a lot of traction, which means it's easier to lock up than the front.
I would have never even thought that integrated brakes were an optinon for bikes... hmmm... What a...
dumb...
concept...
I've locked up my front brake and it lost traction and began to go down, but I let it go and re-applied it.
Locking up the rear brake isn't as safe as you made it sound, where you just "get a flat spot on your tire." It isn't like riding a BMX bike where you can do the power slides.
And I wasn't referring to racing at all. Never raced. Big deal. I have had an MSF course and I'm sure that locking up the rear brake is a precursor to a high side. But if you think it is safe, that's cool. Just don't get pissy. It is just a difference of opinion that I respectfully pointed out.
I've locked my rear brakes and even tho you're not supposed to release the brakes, I have, and luckily not highsided.
I've also locked up the front, and the MSF instructor taught us to release ASAP. I didn't go down either
I've locked my rear a couple times. I let off right after I locked it and my rear end whiped back to center. :nono:
I actually locked my front brakes on purpose... I wanted to see what it was like in a controlled area... It sucks... I wouldn't suggest doing it when you're actually trying to avoid something. :nono:
Quote from: Jake D on February 02, 2006, 07:45:29 AM
Locking up the rear brake isn't as safe as you made it sound, where you just "get a flat spot on your tire." It isn't like riding a BMX bike where you can do the power slides.
yes it is.....
http://media.putfile.com/Skid
Having your front lose traction (by locking or by simple loss of traction) is one of the most gut wrenching and frightening things you can probably experience on a bike. It's absolutely terrifying.
Well... Other than nearly getting splattered by a semi or train... Or crashing... Or nearly crashing...
I agree that it's not something you want to do... Even though I did it intentionally.
QuoteI honestly don't see how you could lock up the front wheel while in a turn and not go down.
Oh it can, and does. lighter bikes tend to be very forgiving in this. i myself have gone started leaning into a turn while on the front binders had the wheel lock slap to the right and hit the steering stop, bounce back to center while easeing up on the front brake and not once upset the angle of the lean or the over all turning of the bike. I also completed the turn stopped and shook my shorts out. i think i have had it happen 2x on the gs and once on my Dads RZ. LUCK i think is the biggest factor but it does happen.
Quote from: RVertigo on February 02, 2006, 04:58:47 PM
Well... Other than nearly getting splattered by a semi or train... Or crashing... Or nearly crashing...
I agree that it's not something you want to do... Even though I did it intentionally.
It is like bowling: if you're not going to get a strike, the best thing you can get is a 9, other than a spare.
Quote from: Jake D on February 03, 2006, 09:29:58 AM
Quote from: RVertigo on February 02, 2006, 04:58:47 PM
Well... Other than nearly getting splattered by a semi or train... Or crashing... Or nearly crashing...
I agree that it's not something you want to do... Even though I did it intentionally.
It is like bowling: if you're not going to get a strike, the best thing you can get is a 9, other than a spare.
lol, how does this relate to bowling at all? :laugh:
Well, my point is that a 9 is like the third best score you can get and third is pretty good.