There's been a bit of talk about the forum for that "other bike" lately. I figured it could use a thread of it's own.
So, apparantly they don't really like us over there. And they really don't like are bike. That 11 hp really means a lot to them. (Although, to be fair, it's like a 25% increase). And for some reason, they think ours is the ugly bike. They like the water-cooled thing, wheras as far as I'm concerned (and everyone else here, it seems like), being air-cooled is a huge win.
And it looks like they have scouts checking us out (http://www.ex500riders.com/viewtopic.php?t=3841). But it's ok, because we have people in their camp (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=21320.0), too.
Reading a bit of their forum, I'm not too impressed. They seems to fit the wannabe rice rocketeers you'd expect form the Ninja crowd. When the gs vs. ex threads come up (as they do over there, just like here), there's a lot of chest thumping over the 11 hp. No real mention of ridability, maintainability.
And, like I said, I guess they don't like us. As Alpha mentioned, the big April Fool's prank (pretty funny actually) was that the admin pretended to have bought a GS500, and was switching the site (http://www.ex500riders.com/viewtopic.php?t=4676) ("Over time, I'll be changing everything around, so hopefully we'll become even better than GSTwin.com"). People didn't seem to take that too well.
Overall, seems like kind of a one sided rivalry. Maybe we should bake them a cake or something?
nah. we both know who's better. lets leave it at that. the bikes are well matched and each has aspects both better and worse than the other. the key is that these bikes are both around for new riders to choose from.
or you could say that at least the gs has gotten a face-lift in its model lifespan.
Keep it clean.
I plan on keeping it clean. I just think it's funny that they seems so aware of us, and we just ignore them. Kind of like finding out the school across town was really hoping to beat you in the big game that you didn't even known you were scheduled for. And there's been a bit of talk about them today, so I figured we might as well consolidate it into one thread. So here it is. :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: aaronstj on April 06, 2006, 03:17:37 PM
I just think it's funny that they seems so aware of us, and we just ignore them.
Maybe that is why????
Wow this is so cool an internet gang war :cookoo: :cookoo: :cookoo:
OK bets on as to when this gets TF'd
lol lol whatever let them ride their little fake ugly sportbikes around
As opposed to the pretty fake sportbikes we've got. :)
Quote from: aaronstj on April 06, 2006, 03:32:00 PM
As opposed to the pretty fake sportbikes we've got. :)
lol yeah but I consider mine a "standard"
Yeah, our naked bikes are pretty much standards. But the F's are as much wannabe gixxers as ex500s are wannabe Ninjas. Be at least we don't wanna be a gixxer from 1985. :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: aaronstj on April 06, 2006, 03:36:14 PM
Yeah, our naked bikes are pretty much standards. But the F's are as much wannabe gixxers as ex500s are wannabe Ninjas. Be at least we don't wanna be a gixxer from 1985. :icon_mrgreen:
ummmm yeah LMAO :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
[edit]Nevermind... I don't care.[/edit]
Meh. I don't think they actually wanna f%$k with us over there. I suppose we'll have to be ever vigilant, though. :)
Where's the post that mentions you? I didn't see it when I searched their forum...
[edit]Nevermind... I don't care.[/edit]
Oh, word.
Hehe. "They say the plastic and the EX being water cooled is a negative. We all know thats part of what makes the EX much better than the gs..."
Who is up for a softball match? 8)
I scouted a couple threads....they a good bunch o'er there....for the most part. There was the expected Suzuki sucks.... contribution to a Bandit 1200S query but that poster was quickly called on his useless brevity. :)
Really, though, GS500 taunting by a Ninja 500 owner is akin to a locker room scene where both parties are better off keeping their shorts on. :oops:
Quote from: aaronstjBut it's ok, because we have people in their camp, too.
Yes, Mr.7 is undercover in the land of the EX 8)
I know that aaron quoted this topic on the other board before, but here is a link to it if anyone is interested.
It makes for some interesting reading
http://www.ex500riders.com/viewtopic.php?t=4266&highlight=gs500
I checked out both bikes when I was buying my first bike. At first, I thought I'd be all about the EX500, 'cause it was a "Ninja". I got over that quickly. The bike seemed...toy like. I sat on it and got a feel for it, but it didn't feel as substantial. On those threads they talk about how the EX is superior, and that may be true, but it's not a significant amount, and it's all speed related (0-60, 1/4 mile, top speed). Our handling issues are quickly and easily corrected with progressive springs, and our acceleration issues are fixed with a simple rejet. I wonder how the GS would fare against the EX after these mods. I bet they would be much more evenly matched.
Well, this is a bit more than I expected to see out of all this.
Allow me to introduce myself. The name's Isaac, and I'm one of the administrators over at "that other site." Alphafire's a friend of mine—known him for more years than I care to admit—and believe it or not, is the one to blame for turning me onto the 500R in the first place. (I no longer have it, mind you; ex-girlfriend wrecked it, but I still hang on in my official capacities over there.)
Let it be known that I, nor any other member of the EX500Riders.com administration, hold any ill will toward this site, or the GS in general. The general populace is a bit more...biased, shall we say, and they tend to show it in interesting ways. I especially apologize for the one known as "Super Sneaky Steve;" we're still trying to figure him out.
I'm glad a couple of you got a bit of amusement out of my April Fool's Extravaganza. It got about the reaction I was expecting, and hoping for. (The part where some of the members thought you'd hacked us—which turned out to be more than I expected—was just an added bonus.) Wasn't quite as bad as what I did last year, to a forum I used to run, though. That's just how I roll; I hit hard, where I know it'll hurt. In this case, it hit our brand vanity. I could've changed it to a Harley, or perhaps a Gold Wing, but that would've seemed just too obvious, y'know? :icon_lol:
That's just about all I wished to say. If you still wanna send that cake, Alpha has my address. I'll try to send a piece off to California and Ontario, as well. :icon_mrgreen:
Ride on!
--I.
welcome....now go home! j/k. your take on it is exactly what I expected and your description of the dynamics of your site sounds about the same as here.
Well, I'm glad you posted here, Isaac; I owned a '93 EX, and I'll own another (newer) EX someday, though I can't stand that stupid "Ninja" nonsense; Kawasaki put a disc brake on the thing in '94, and overnight, it became a "Ninja 500"... what complete BULLSHIT! OK, so it makes perfect sense when you consider the marketing side of the equation... Kawasaki is trying to get young riders in the door, hoping to build brand-loyalty over time; that is the same reason why Suzuki finally put a fairing on the GS... FWIW, I enjoyed reading about your prank; maybe the excessive "brand-vanity" will be dialed down somewhat as a consequence...
You can bet my next EX will NOT have "Ninja" stickers on it for long, though I won't complain about the 17" wheels, upgraded brakes, 37mm fork tubes, and other improvements that Kawasaki made in the transition from "EX500" to "Ninja500"... The four-way flashers and the adjustable clutch lever on the EX are long overdue for the GS, but I doubt they'll ever be added at the factory, unless Suzuki wants another excuse to raise the retail price.
Since I started riding before multi-valve heads and watercooled motorcycle engines became popular, my GS reminds me of my air-and-oil-cooled roots; the EX is a more modern design (four-valves per cylinder, liquid-cooling)... both designs have individual strengths and weaknesses, and I appreciate both motorcycles equally.
I hope you'll remind your members often that Kawasaki and Suzuki merged several years ago; they are now under one management umbrella, so the cross-brand insults are incredibly ignorant. No matter which one they buy, the money goes to the same stockholders... so you should tell them to just STFU and get over it... I get the impression that GSTwins seems to have more old-timers and re-entry motorcyclists, and ex500riders seems to have more of the still-wet-behind-the-ears crowd; there is plenty of room for both types on the 'net, and I have no doubt that most of the people who post on your site would be welcomed here. There is at least one former GSTwins member (MPA) who previously posted here, before he bought his EX, and I'm glad he found a motorcycle that he so obviously enjoys owning and riding...
Motorcyclists have enough problems without sniping at each other; people who need to think that their motorcycle is superior to any other have problems I don't want to deal with. Their inadequate personalities don't allow them to accept that some other motorcycle might be just as good (or even BETTER) than whatever POS they happen to own at the time, so they choose to denigrate and insult people who don't agree with their biased views. The best motorcycles are well-maintained and well-ridden; everything else is just background noise...
Quote from: Gisser on April 06, 2006, 06:45:54 PM
I scouted a couple threads....they a good bunch o'er there....for the most part. There was the expected Suzuki sucks.... contribution to a Bandit 1200S query but that poster was quickly called on his useless brevity. :)
Really, though, GS500 taunting by a Ninja 500 owner is akin to a locker room scene where both parties are better off keeping their shorts on. :oops:
also akin to the anti harley crowd or the anti triumph crowd or....
Quote from: bubba zanetti on April 06, 2006, 03:24:25 PM
Wow this is so cool an internet gang war :cookoo: :cookoo: :cookoo:
OK bets on as to when this gets TF'd
. . . I killed a guy with a
trident.
GSTwin owners and Ninja500 owners fighting for dominance is kinda like 2 high school chess club geeks duking it out with windmill girly slaps.
Stop all this nonsense now, guys, before someone rips a pocket protector!
:icon_lol:
Quote from: Jake D on April 07, 2006, 07:12:05 AM
Quote from: bubba zanetti on April 06, 2006, 03:24:25 PM
Wow this is so cool an internet gang war :cookoo: :cookoo: :cookoo:
OK bets on as to when this gets TF'd
. . . I killed a guy with a trident.
Yeah, about that... You might wanna lay low for awhile!
Quote from: IW4 on April 06, 2006, 11:41:46 PM
Let it be known that I, nor any other member of the EX500Riders.com administration, hold any ill will toward this site, or the GS in general. The general populace is a bit more...biased, shall we say, and they tend to show it in interesting ways. I especially apologize for the one known as "Super Sneaky Steve;" we're still trying to figure him out.
Huzzah! A full surrender! :icon_mrgreen:
I'm still trying to figure out how to ship a cake. You may have to settle for cookies.
You can ship a cheesecake from some nuns....
...amazing cheesecake Ive seen people hide so they don't have to share :icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on April 07, 2006, 09:01:16 AM
Quote from: Jake D on April 07, 2006, 07:12:05 AM
Quote from: bubba zanetti on April 06, 2006, 03:24:25 PM
Wow this is so cool an internet gang war :cookoo: :cookoo: :cookoo:
OK bets on as to when this gets TF'd
. . . I killed a guy with a trident.
Yeah, about that... You might wanna lay low for awhile!
Do we have gang colors? I don't wanna get, ya know, "banged". :dunno_white:
Well I for one always liked the ex500. It's a great track bike. The ex is every bit as durable and reliable as the GS. I think the new 650 may end up replacing it, but then again the sv650 didn't replace the GS. Both bikes fill the same niche.
Why do people get so friggin gung ho about "my bike is better" shaZam!. I have a Z1000, the wife a zx6R -do you see me saying Suzuki sucks and Kawi rulez the earth (which of course it does)? No.
Stop stirring up shaZam! for no reason. They are both great bikes. Period. If they want to knock the GS then let them. It's their problem. I personally don't think we should be knocking them.
For those who don't know. I'm not just an admin, I own this place.
Calm down, John, no one's stirring up shaZam!. We're all just playing.
Theres a Z1000 kawa in my garage too. mmmm...whata beast.
[edit]Nevermind... I don't care.[/edit]
Quote from: john on April 07, 2006, 10:24:24 AM
Well I for one always liked the ex500. It's a great track bike. The ex is every bit as durable and reliable as the GS. I think the new 650 may end up replacing it, but then again the sv650 didn't replace the GS. Both bikes fill the same niche.
Why do people get so friggin gung ho about "my bike is better" shaZam!. I have a Z1000, the wife a zx6R -do you see me saying Suzuki sucks and Kawi rulez the earth (which of course it does)? No.
Stop stirring up shaZam! for no reason. They are both great bikes. Period. If they want to knock the GS then let them. It's their problem. I personally don't think we should be knocking them.
For those who don't know. I'm not just an admin, I own this place.
So what if they are knocking the site? I't a bit dated, but so what. If they don't like it they can say it. Let it go. I will take the high road, let the owner do whatever he/she wants over there. If he/she has a hard on for this site then it's his problem -it's verry telling about a person.
Quote from: john on April 07, 2006, 10:24:24 AM
Well I for one always liked the ex500. It's a great track bike. The ex is every bit as durable and reliable as the GS. I think the new 650 may end up replacing it, but then again the sv650 didn't replace the GS. Both bikes fill the same niche.
Why do people get so friggin gung ho about "my bike is better" shaZam!. I have a Z1000, the wife a zx6R -do you see me saying Suzuki sucks and Kawi rulez the earth (which of course it does)? No.
Stop stirring up shaZam! for no reason. They are both great bikes. Period. If they want to knock the GS then let them. It's their problem. I personally don't think we should be knocking them.
For those who don't know. I'm not just an admin, I own this place.
er... uh... did you just say that suzuki sucks?... isn't this a suzuki board?
personally I'm more of a honda man, but I do own a suzuki so there it is.
[edit]Nevermind... I don't care.[/edit]
*sigh*
John, you forgot to mention that the EX is as ugly as a bag of rubber nipples.*
Just kidding. The Littlest Ninja is a sweet ride. Big ups to any man (AJ) man enough to rock the 500! Even Annie has a ZX6R!
*Disclaimer: I am a GS 500 E owner. No Ninja's were hurt in the making of this ad.
x
<reaches for trident>
Quote from: john on April 07, 2006, 10:24:24 AM
For those who don't know. I'm not just an admin, I own this place.
You are not only the president, but also a member. Gotcha. And good luck with the hair thing :icon_razz:
Quote from: Jake D on April 07, 2006, 01:22:15 PM
Just kidding. The Littlest Ninja is a sweet ride. Big ups to any man (AJ) man enough to rock the 500! Even Annie has a ZX6R!
Actually, the littlest Ninja is the 250. Looks like a fun ride, too. Only 304 lbs. It's a lot easier to feel like you're going fast on tiny bikes.
Yup! 50 MPH on a H#nda 90 is REALLY DAMN FAST!
personally i liked my 02 gs more than my wifes ex. I think it rides better and looked better as well. Suzuki is superior. im a member of "the other site" as well but primarily to sell things and get more group rides going. dont unholster ur guns on me :2guns:
Ah, another spy. I knew it. lol
Quote from: aaronstj on April 07, 2006, 03:14:36 PM
Actually, the littlest Ninja is the 250. Looks like a fun ride, too. Only 304 lbs. It's a lot easier to feel like you're going fast on tiny bikes.
Pashnit did a write-up on the 250 (http://www.pashnit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1145) about a year ago. What he had to say even surprised me.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on April 07, 2006, 06:43:08 AM
also akin to the anti harley crowd or the anti triumph crowd or....
The problem about that is that Harleys do suck. The 45 degree V-twin is inherently unbalanceable. That's why the V-Rod has a 60 degree engine in it. Porsche said they coudn't do anything with the 45. I don't care if it's in a Harley, Indian, Honda or Yamaha, it's a crappy design. I about crapped my pants yesterday at my local Yamaha dealer when I saw a freaking 45 degree V-twin in one of their cruisers. Salesman: it's a 1.9 liter. Me: It's a fscking 45-degree V-twin!
I have nothing against cruisers. If that's what you're going to do, then a cruiser is great. It's just that engine design. Give me 90 degrees any day.
Quote from: Egaeus on April 08, 2006, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on April 07, 2006, 06:43:08 AM
also akin to the anti harley crowd or the anti triumph crowd or....
The problem about that is that Harleys do suck. The 45 degree V-twin is inherently unbalanceable. That's why the V-Rod has a 60 degree engine in it. Porsche said they coudn't do anything with the 45. I don't care if it's in a Harley, Indian, Honda or Yamaha, it's a crappy design. I about crapped my pants yesterday at my local Yamaha dealer when I saw a freaking 45 degree V-twin in one of their cruisers. Salesman: it's a 1.9 liter. Me: It's a fscking 45-degree V-twin!
I have nothing against cruisers. If that's what you're going to do, then a cruiser is great. It's just that engine design. Give me 90 degrees any day.
You really should hold your breath until all the motorcycle manufacturers abandon 45 degree V-Twins. It would be a stunning brief protest that would put you out of your misery. :thumb:
since when do ex500's have v-twins? :icon_rolleyes:
its not the 45 degrees that make the harley engines suck or anyhting of thast nature. even if harley engines were 90 deg. other camps would still swear they suck . this argument will never end
Quote from: Ed_in_Az on April 08, 2006, 09:35:37 PM
You really should hold your breath until all the motorcycle manufacturers abandon 45 degree V-Twins. It would be a stunning brief protest that would put you out of your misery. :thumb:
Oh, I know it won't go away. It "looks cool." It doesn't matter to people who care about coolness that the basic engine design was done back in the 50's when the concept of second order harmonics being able to break things wasn't so clear.
Quote from: pantablo on April 08, 2006, 10:49:24 PM
since when do ex500's have v-twins? :icon_rolleyes:
Who said they did?
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on April 09, 2006, 12:20:07 AM
its not the 45 degrees that make the harley engines suck or anyhting of thast nature. even if harley engines were 90 deg. other camps would still swear they suck . this argument will never end
Actually, that is fundamentally what makes them suck. If they were 90 degree, then only the idiots would claim that unless they had other problems.
60 degree twins rule.
Quote from: john on April 09, 2006, 12:24:28 PM
60 degree twins rule.
Rule what? Harley's 45* twins? Sure thing. The VSRC and VR1000 are leaps and bounds superior to the 45.
90* is where it's at, though.