hey today wile i was coming home from work i saw a zzr600, has any one also seen one around here? any coments about the bike? its the first time iver ever seen it or even hear of it, i thought it was just a sticker some kid stuck on his bike till i looked on the internet.
Its a good bike my cousin has one. Ive ridden it a few times and it maked me feel all squidly....I rode it once in the rain and that back wheel spun like mad. It has pretty good power and I think its a good bike overall.
what class does this bike compete in, to go c it at the track on day? yo is it like our bikes or is it more like a croatch rocket
I think I herd that its was a sport tourer?? But IDK The seating position is more aggresive on it.
the zzr600 is the old carbed zx6r that they kept making and selling it under a new name. my friend has an 02 zx6r and it is mechanically the same bike i believe.
Carbs... yuk!
Hi Nicky!
I'm glad that a thread about a Kawasaki is still in the GS-related discussion.
ohh shaZam! i love my gs more than any other bike, i was just comparing this bike i saw, does it compete with the sv
Quote from: nick_villan on April 25, 2006, 07:59:29 AM
ohh shaZam! i love my gs more than any other bike, i was just comparing this bike i saw, does it compete with the sv
Pfff, not even. The SV is the best bike in the world EVER. So no, the Kawi has nothing on it.
Wink.
ya it has a nice engine,just hate the look and i hate the the sv600s just as much
Quote from: nick_villan on April 25, 2006, 08:35:33 AM
ya it has a nice engine,just hate the look and i hate the the sv600s just as much
What has a nice engine, the ZZR? You lost me when you said "and I hate the SV just as much."
SV650, by the way.
funny you mention that bike...last sunday we went on a great ride thru some backroads in kentucky...a guy was on an 06 zzr and was tryin to keep up with me...i left him behind thru the turns...he couldn't believe my bike did it! He just kept ravin on about how the little guy on the little bike was so fast...37whp killin' it! :icon_twisted:
i think that the sv has a nicer engine because it runs a low 1/4 mile so it must have an exelletn power to wait ratio. hey anay way side to side which one do u think has a better power to weight ratio?
Quote from: nick_villan on April 25, 2006, 09:25:23 AM
i think that the sv has a nicer engine because it runs a low 1/4 mile so it must have an exelletn power to wait ratio. hey anay way side to side which one do u think has a better power to weight ratio?
Rather than speculating, go to the manufacturers' sites and find the wet weights for each bike, the HP of each, and find the exact ratios yourself. Then you'll know for sure.
sure, will spot them tonight
This is all I could find in the short time I had:
2005 SV650S: HP=72, DRY weight=372. Power-to-weight ratio=0.193548
200X (I wasn't sure what year they were talking about) ZZR600: HP=89, dry weight=377. Power-to-weight ratio=0.236074
I'm not even sure if I did that right. But there you go.
Dave
Uhhh Dave, I think you did research and/or math wrong or don't know that power to weight ratio is measured in lbs/HP. The last gen of the ZZRs made 98HP and weighed 430 lbs dry. The new ones weigh 377lbs and have 110HP, so the power to weight ratio would be 4.3878 and 3.4273 respectively.
The SV's is 5.1667 and the GS's is 9.0168.
I think you have it backwards alpha... power to weight ratio should be 1 when there is as much HP as it weighs, and less than one as power decreases / weight increases. Higher the power weight ratio, the faster the bike. If the GS was a p/w ratio of ~9 then this is an ungodly fast bike
so the p/w ratio of the GS should be 0.1109
Quote from: LimaXray on April 25, 2006, 10:23:20 AM
I think you have it backwards alpha... power to weight ratio should be 1 when there is as much HP as it weighs, and less than one as power decreases / weight increases. Higher the power weight ratio, there faster the bike. If the GS was a p/w ratio of ~9 then this is an ungodly fast bike
Well, blame the stupid motorcycle magazine that tested the ZX-10R and claimed it as having the best power to weight ratio of any motorcycle out there, and stating it as a 1.4 something, I think.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 25, 2006, 10:10:11 AM
Uhhh Dave, I think you did research and/or math wrong or don't know that power to weight ratio is measured in lbs/HP. The last gen of the ZZRs made 98HP and weighed 430 lbs dry. The new ones weigh 377lbs and have 110HP, so the power to weight ratio would be 4.3878 and 3.4273 respectively.
The SV's is 5.1667 and the GS's is 9.0168.
Forgive me if my numbers are wrong; like I said, my research was quick and easy, just to give him some sort of idea. So I can accept that the weights and HPs for each bike that I listed are wrong.
HOWEVER, unless my math knowledge is completely f%&ked, "power-to-weight" is calculated as I said, with the HP as the numerator and the vehicle's weight as the denominator. Your calculation is a weight-to-power ratio; that is, there are 9.0168 lbs. per horsepower on the GS.
Dave :cheers:
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 25, 2006, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: LimaXray on April 25, 2006, 10:23:20 AM
I think you have it backwards alpha... power to weight ratio should be 1 when there is as much HP as it weighs, and less than one as power decreases / weight increases. Higher the power weight ratio, there faster the bike. If the GS was a p/w ratio of ~9 then this is an ungodly fast bike
Well, blame the stupid motorcycle magazine that tested the ZX-10R and claimed it as having the best power to weight ratio of any motorcycle out there, and stating it as a 1.4 something, I think.
That's their bad. In that case, the bike puts out 1.4 times as much power as it weighs. So...that would be a rocket. It's a fast bike, but not that fast. Probably the closest sportbike to a 1:1 ratio is Ghostrider's twin-turbo Hayabusa, which puts out a reputed 499 bhp. A stock 'Busa weighs 478 lbs dry. Add 20 for the turbos (I have no idea what a twin-turbo setup weighs), and you have a ratio of almost exactly 1:1.
Dave :cheers:
Naw, I've heard of 700HP busas before.
See: http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/03/10/700-horsepower-hayabusa/
I think it is stated as a ratio, I am guessing the ZX-10R is probably 1:4, a speed triple is 1:4.42, and a ZZR600 is 1:4.92. according to mcnews.com in their model evaluation section. See a nice write up of the zzr vs other older 600s here:
http://mcnews.com/mcn/model_eval.asp
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 25, 2006, 10:43:12 AM
Naw, I've heard of 700HP busas before.
See: http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/03/10/700-horsepower-hayabusa/
Which, assuming again a base weight of 478 lbs, gives us the lovely 1.4 power-to-weight ratio. Nooooooo thank you!
And Destro is probably right that they were typed as ratios, not as a decimal. 1:4 sounds better for the ZX-10R.
Dave :cheers:
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 25, 2006, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 25, 2006, 10:43:12 AM
Naw, I've heard of 700HP busas before.
See: http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/03/10/700-horsepower-hayabusa/
Which, assuming again a base weight of 478 lbs, gives us the lovely 1.4 power-to-weight ratio. Nooooooo thank you!
And Destro is probably right that they were typed as ratios, not as a decimal. 1:4 sounds better for the ZX-10R.
Dave :cheers:
He was running an NLR Turbocharger and converted his bike to run on methanol. Stock bore 1300, too. Not one of the 1500cc stroker kit engined ones.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 25, 2006, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 25, 2006, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 25, 2006, 10:43:12 AM
Naw, I've heard of 700HP busas before.
See: http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/03/10/700-horsepower-hayabusa/
Which, assuming again a base weight of 478 lbs, gives us the lovely 1.4 power-to-weight ratio. Nooooooo thank you!
And Destro is probably right that they were typed as ratios, not as a decimal. 1:4 sounds better for the ZX-10R.
Dave :cheers:
He was running an NLR Turbocharger and converted his bike to run on methanol. Stock bore 1300, too. Not one of the 1500cc stroker kit engined ones.
This is where you take over, because like I said, I'm wicked stupid about cars. I get that he didn't bore it out, but what's the big deal about the NLR Turbo?
That busa is nuts. I'm not surprised they did it with a stock stroke/bore. When you increase the stroke, you gain torque, but you can't rev it as high and thus less HP. And remember kiddies, there is a replacement for displacement, its called high RPM and forced induction :thumb:
And I've never heard about an NLR turbo... I did a google seach and it just comes up with a bunch of busa bull shaZam!, so maybe its a turbo designed for the busa :dunno_white:
bro busas are sick shaZam!, their stock1/4 is 9.3.... sothing so with aturbo that shaZam! is probably hiting low 7.
anywyas thanks u guys for the info, so basically the zz600r probably beats the sv on the track
Quote from: nick_villan on April 25, 2006, 11:29:49 AM
anywyas thanks u guys for the info, so basically the zz600r probably beats the sv on the track
If by "track" you mean dragstrip, then yes. However, the "track" is a more common term for a REAL race track, not a quarter mile straightaway.
no i meant like the race track, like ama. my neigbour used to compete and he got me into watching it. and hoping that when i get enought experience i can take the class and have some fun at the track
Quote from: nick_villan on April 25, 2006, 11:34:37 AM
no i meant like the race track, like ama. my neigbour used to compete and he got me into watching it. and hoping that when i get enought experience i can take the class and have some fun at the track
Depends on the track and rider. The SV is a killer track tool, especially for really technical stuff, but the ZZR, which is the old Ninja 600, will stomp it in the sweepers and straights.
you see nicky, on the track and the strip, its just as much the machine as it is the driver... a good driver on a slower bike will aways beat a shitty driver on a faster bike
Quote from: nick_villan on April 25, 2006, 11:28:10 AM
bro busas are sick shaZam!, their stock1/4 is 9.3.... sothing so with aturbo that shaZam! is probably hiting low 7.
Big Nick, promise me you won't buy a Hayabusa. Ever. If you can promise me that, I will send you a variety pack of decals for your bike, including ninjas, bullets, dragons, tons of flames, poison ivy, robots, cannons, flags, and black flowers.
Dave
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 25, 2006, 11:43:54 AM
Quote from: nick_villan on April 25, 2006, 11:28:10 AM
bro busas are sick shaZam!, their stock1/4 is 9.3.... sothing so with aturbo that shaZam! is probably hiting low 7.
Big Nick, promise me you won't buy a Hayabusa. Ever. If you can promise me that, I will send you a variety pack of decals for your bike, including ninjas, bullets, dragons, tons of flames, poison ivy, robots, cannons, flags, and black flowers.
Dave
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
oh and btw an NLR turbo is just an over priced Garrett GT40R that they hacked together with a T31 flange... just in case anyone was as curious as i was
dont worry i hate busas, theirs to many of them that are suped around here. i reather stick in the 500-1000 range
ps: no flowers dave :nono:
Quote from: LimaXray on April 25, 2006, 12:10:55 PM
oh and btw an NLR turbo is just an over priced Garrett GT40R that they hacked together with a T31 flange... just in case anyone was as curious as i was
(Nods stupidly) Yes. Yes it is...
Ok Nicky, just making sure. But so you know, the flowers were black, which means they're dead. That's hardcore.
Dave
ya but their stiil ghey
Quote from: 94suzuki500 on April 24, 2006, 08:56:46 PM
the zzr600 is the old carbed zx6r that they kept making and selling it under a new name. my friend has an 02 zx6r and it is mechanically the same bike i believe.
Correct. Makes about 100hp, and is identical to the 00-02 zx6r J model. Great bike. Great brakes. Great motor. I love riding that bike. I seriously doubt an SV650 can beat it in a 1/4, but who really cares. I can't say how smoth that motor is, so far better than my gsxr 600 motor in smoothness. And BTW the J model zx6r and 02 gsxr were identical in power. We would switch bikes and could never gain an inch on each other no matter how hard we beat those bikes. Did I mention the triple pot brakes bite like nothing I have ever ridden.
The reason Kawi brought the old zx6r back was it had reached a high level of refinement. I think they made the right move. I do agree that FI would make that bike even better, but ours has had no issues so far. It really isn't the touring bike they say it is -it would be no different calling a zx9 a touring bike. I'd call it a very agressive sport tourer.
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 25, 2006, 11:43:54 AM
Quote from: nick_villan on April 25, 2006, 11:28:10 AM
bro busas are sick shaZam!, their stock1/4 is 9.3.... sothing so with aturbo that shaZam! is probably hiting low 7.
Big Nick, promise me you won't buy a Hayabusa. Ever. If you can promise me that, I will send you a variety pack of decals for your bike, including ninjas, bullets, dragons, tons of flames, poison ivy, robots, cannons, flags, and black flowers.
Dave
This is by far the best post anyone has had in 2006. I have to get some robot stickers for my bike.
black flowers! :laugh:
Quote from: nick_villan on April 26, 2006, 07:33:33 AM
ya but their stiil ghey
bwahaha! Well played sir, well played...
-M
Quote from: Jake D on April 26, 2006, 08:16:54 AM
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 25, 2006, 11:43:54 AM
Quote from: nick_villan on April 25, 2006, 11:28:10 AM
bro busas are sick shaZam!, their stock1/4 is 9.3.... sothing so with aturbo that shaZam! is probably hiting low 7.
Big Nick, promise me you won't buy a Hayabusa. Ever. If you can promise me that, I will send you a variety pack of decals for your bike, including ninjas, bullets, dragons, tons of flames, poison ivy, robots, cannons, flags, and black flowers.
Dave
This is by far the best post anyone has had in 2006. I have to get some robot stickers for my bike.
Let me check through my stash, I may be all out of those. My buddy Nick loves robot stickers.
Dude, speaking of stickers, last night as I was riding home from campus I saw a guy (he happened to be Mexican, which may or may not have anything to do with it) driving a Chevy Beretta with a big Honda sticker that looked homemade and a "got sand?" one in the rear window. So apparently he goes to the dunes...in his Honda...Beretta...yeah.
mexicans love the autozone, pepboys sticker flames :icon_rolleyes:...other than that ghey sht, they know how to soup a ride up :thumb:
sorry man but mexicans have no taste, their cars down here are always made fun off. they have lil respect for them.
Hey im mexican and I have good taste. After all I have a gs500...
I like Mexican food! Rolled tacos are my favorite, followed closely by fish tacos.
Quote from: aqxea2500 on April 26, 2006, 09:14:48 PM
Hey im mexican and I have good taste. After all I have a gs500...
Yeah, Teflon Nick is Hispanic, so don't sweat that.
But no need for racial slurs. I meant to tell you that earlier Nicky...even though certain races may use certain terms among themselves, that doesn't mean you can. You mentioned the n-word in a previous post. And although the spelling made it questionable as to what you were saying, it was still an n-bomb.
Ten cuidado con eso, primo. Es peligroso.
Dave
Oh man, I love Mexican food too. There's this little place on Cesar Chavez street downtown here called Lita's that has the BEST barbacoa tacos I have ever had. On homemade corn tortillas they are remarkably delicious. Very simple, too. Just some home cooked, home seasoned barbacoa on a homemade corn tortilla. Delicious.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 26, 2006, 09:34:32 PM
Oh man, I love Mexican food too. There's this little place on Cesar Chavez street downtown here called Lita's that has the BEST barbacoa tacos I have ever had. On homemade corn tortillas they are remarkably delicious. Very simple, too. Just some home cooked, home seasoned barbacoa on a homemade corn tortilla. Delicious.
Some of the best food I've ever had was from the street vendors in Queretaro and in DF. You order tacos, and they give these little corn tortillas filled with beefy goodness. They're so simple, but impossible to replicate.
They best food that I ever had though were the tortas in Queretaro. I don't know what made them so good, but I got one every few days on the walk home from school. Those were unreal.
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 26, 2006, 09:46:19 PM
Some of the best food I've ever had was from the street vendors in Queretaro and in DF. You order tacos, and they give these little corn tortillas filled with beefy goodness. They're so simple, but impossible to replicate.
They best food that I ever had though were the tortas in Queretaro. I don't know what made them so good, but I got one every few days on the walk home from school. Those were unreal.
That's EXACTLY what these are. My friend says that they are the closest thing you can get to Mexico in Austin.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 26, 2006, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 26, 2006, 09:46:19 PM
Some of the best food I've ever had was from the street vendors in Queretaro and in DF. You order tacos, and they give these little corn tortillas filled with beefy goodness. They're so simple, but impossible to replicate.
They best food that I ever had though were the tortas in Queretaro. I don't know what made them so good, but I got one every few days on the walk home from school. Those were unreal.
That's EXACTLY what these are. My friend says that they are the closest thing you can get to Mexico in Austin.
On an unrelated note, could you get me a map of the shortest route from Portland to Austin?
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 26, 2006, 09:55:57 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on April 26, 2006, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 26, 2006, 09:46:19 PM
Some of the best food I've ever had was from the street vendors in Queretaro and in DF. You order tacos, and they give these little corn tortillas filled with beefy goodness. They're so simple, but impossible to replicate.
They best food that I ever had though were the tortas in Queretaro. I don't know what made them so good, but I got one every few days on the walk home from school. Those were unreal.
That's EXACTLY what these are. My friend says that they are the closest thing you can get to Mexico in Austin.
On an unrelated note, could you get me a map of the shortest route from Portland to Austin?
http://www.geocities.com/iotaomega/Oregon_Austin.htm
Took me all of 5 minutes. Loser. :laugh: :laugh:
The quality of a Mexican restaurant should be judged solely on the quality of its Mole.
hey bro i didnt mean no disrepect, i have friend that is mexican and i also love the real mexican food, not the one that they have at taco bell. i like the real spicy shaZam!.
taco bell is the shaZam!... it's not real mexian, but its still the shaZam!...i want some right now.... mmmmmm
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 26, 2006, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: aqxea2500 on April 26, 2006, 09:14:48 PM
Hey im mexican and I have good taste. After all I have a gs500...
Yeah, Teflon Nick is Hispanic, so don't sweat that.
But no need for racial slurs. I meant to tell you that earlier Nicky...even though certain races may use certain terms among themselves, that doesn't mean you can. You mentioned the n-word in a previous post. And although the spelling made it questionable as to what you were saying, it was still an n-bomb.
Ten cuidado con eso, primo. Es peligroso.
Dave
Ten taken care of with that, prime. He is dangerous?!?!?
i know i mauled that lol internet translators can be weird sometimes rofl
I think he is saying:
"Be carefun in your city, friend. It's dangerous."
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on April 27, 2006, 09:32:52 AM
Quote from: My Name Is Dave on April 26, 2006, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: aqxea2500 on April 26, 2006, 09:14:48 PM
Hey im mexican and I have good taste. After all I have a gs500...
Yeah, Teflon Nick is Hispanic, so don't sweat that.
But no need for racial slurs. I meant to tell you that earlier Nicky...even though certain races may use certain terms among themselves, that doesn't mean you can. You mentioned the n-word in a previous post. And although the spelling made it questionable as to what you were saying, it was still an n-bomb.
Ten cuidado con eso, primo. Es peligroso.
Dave
Ten taken care of with that, prime. He is dangerous?!?!?
i know i mauled that lol internet translators can be weird sometimes rofl
Quote from: Jake D on April 27, 2006, 09:59:19 AM
I think he is saying:
"Be carefun in your city, friend. It's dangerous."
Um, yeah. That's what I said... :icon_confused:
Dave :cheers: