Well after my big plight with the lien on the title and issues with the seller he has agreed to come on Saturday and give me my money back; the bike goes back to him. Kinda sad to give up the bike without ever riding it but it makes the most sense.
This whole scenario has sort of put me off riding for now, think I'm just going to save up and see if I can get a new car. Maybe in the future when I'm more out on my own (and have a garage) I'll get another bike. For now it just makes more sense to me to stick to a car.
After all you've been through. You shouldn't give up on us yet!
Well it kinda hit me that I'm not at a good point to be riding right now. My dad's getting remarried and so I don't want to stress him out worrying about me also. Plus we live in a condo complex where the bike would have to reside outside, and then I would have to impose on my friends for storage. When I'm older (I'm 20 now) and a little more secure I'll get back into riding.
Alright at least you got your money back
Yeah too bad I'm too late for newenough's return policy. Guess I will have to hit e-bay to sell the gear.
I'm sorry it didn't work out for ya... Or maybe it did???
It sounds like you are very responsible and mature, and I hope you can find your way back to motorcycling soon! :thumb:
Stick around anyway. Lots of people here didn't have a bike before they joined. I think one of our members didn't even have a bike for a LONG time... I can't remember who yet.
Altephor: It really sucks that you've been put through the ringer while trying to buy your first bike. Take some time to get the bad taste out of your mouth, and then who knows what you might decide. It's hard to let go once the bug has bitten you.... :icon_lol:
Hang onto the gear. You'll need it later when you get another bike.
Either hang onto the gear, or send an email to the guys at newenough, including links to your threads here. They're pretty cool people over there, and as long as you're nice to them, you may be surprised as to how far out of their way they'll go to help you!
I did call newenough and the person I talked to said I would have to talk to someone higher than him who was out til later this week/next week. So I will talk to him later, and if I can't return there is always ebay.
I wouldn't call it quits just yet! What happened was a life experience. Whether you're willing to admit it or not, you learned something and you're the wiser for it. Don't change your mind and back down just because you had a bad experience. If you do, you'll find yourself missing out on a lot of life.
I think your decision to buy a car is a good one, so I'm not knocking it. If you won't have the option of using your parent's car buying a car should be more important than a bike. There are days when riding the bike is no fun, or is downright unsafe. That doesn't mean you have to spend every dollar you have on an automobile.
What I suggest you do is buy a car with some of your money, save the rest, keep adding to the stash, and don't sell your gear just yet. Keep your eyes peeled this fall, and possibly next spring for a cheap GS. You might be suprised what you find. Running bikes are inexpensive in the fall because people sell them to upgrade in the spring. Fixer-uppers are dirt cheap in the spring, usually with simple problems like water in the gas tank, bad air filters, or carbs in need of cleaning.
I would be patient and look for a fixer-upper. This board and craigslist is a great resource. Fixer-uppers can be found for under $500, and you'll learn something getting it back into running order. Working on a secondary form of transportation is a good low-hassle way to learn how to keep your machinery in order. I consider being a decent mechanic to be a life skill, just like cooking and balancing a check book. My Chevy dealers base rate is $125 an hour. They want $800 to change the shocks on a vehicle similar to mine, a task which I can do in 2-3 hours. For a lot of people, $800 is more than a weeks pay.
Think about it... :)
Well no, I have my own car now. It's a 95 civic. But I am into the whole street-racing thing, and while it's no safer than a bike I think for right now I'd rather have a faster car. When I'm a little older and not under my parents, and have a garage to store it in, then maybe I'll look back into bikes.. an SV maybe.
Keep the gear. You'll lose more money selling it at a loss, and then having to buy new, potentially more expensive gear later.
Sorry about your misfortune, don't let it get you discouraged. Never give up, but you seem to have opened your eyes to practicality, which is a common trait among motorcyclists and pick-up drivers. A faster car can cause you to spend more money, faster.
Wish you luck, and hope you come back.
jk67
Well so far this refund is NOT going well. Now he's telling me he might not be able to take work off Saturday, and if he calls out he wants me to reimburse him for the loss of hours, which I told him I simply would not do. He also wants $50 to drive down here to get the bike, which although stupid on my part, I agreed to just to GET THIS DONE.
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Unfortunately, it doesn't look as though you'll be able to trust this guy. Probably be wise to accept cash only, and have HIM sign something stating he's picked the bike up. Him wanting to keep money for anything at all is ludicrous. I'm sorry you've had to deal with such a crook. :mad:
I'm hoping for the best for you, but if things still don't work out, and you don't get a refund, file a police report if you can. Also file a complaint with your state attorney general, if that's an option (I don't know if you can file a complaint against an individual or only businesses).
I wanted cash but he said he was 'uncomfortable', so it looks like it will be a certified bank check. Which is not cash but is probably the next best thing.
Something will be signed by both of us that details the whole transaction, and I'm considering asking a police officer to oversee and sign on the whole thing.
Wow. Every new detail you give about this just makes my jaw drop. Can you meet him at the/a bank so that they might verify that the certified bank check is authentic? Or, if he's not comfortable carrying cash :icon_rolleyes:, meet him at a close branch of his bank so that he can withdraw the cash right there and not have to carry it around. One of the big scams around here (on Craig's List) is for someone to offer to pay by money order or certified check, and either the check is no good, or they make the check out for a higher amount and ask for the "change" back in cash. People suck sometimes... :cry:
Get an attorney now or get the police involved. If you gave him cash, get cash back. Or go to the bank the check is drawn on. They can easily be counterfitted by unscrupulous persons.
+1 on meeting at a bank. At my job I see counterfiet certified checks / money orders / cash and now it seems traverls checks are picking up a bit also. If at all possible go to a bank that the check is drawn on and cash it before he gets the bike.
This guy seems sort of shady, you might want to check the serial # with your local Police dept., but be careful what you tell them, if the bike is stolen you might never get your money back. Just say you were interested in this bike someone is selling, but he does not have the title and he acted weird about it or something. Or he just needs to pay off the lean on the bike before he can get the title? Sorry about your situation though, its a shame that so many people out there can't keep there ducks in a row! :cheers:
+1 to what everyone is saying about not trusting the certified check. If he won't bring cash, then insist on holding the bike until the check clears.
Ouch, what a horrible situation. Sorry you have to go through all this... :mad:
So what happened with the lien?
Chris
Quote from: Chris2P on July 25, 2006, 02:30:13 PM
So what happened with the lien?
The previous "owner" still owes a ton of money on the bike.
DON'T TAKE A CHECK! EVER EVER EVER!
MEET HIM AT A BANK! MAKE HIM BRING CASH! DO NOT TAKE A CHECK! EVER EVER EVER EVER!!!
Amazing...
I hope you have all of this well documented, it looks like you're going to need it. If you don't get CASH in the next couple of days it will be time for you to talk with a lawyer.
How much money does he owe, if it is less than the selling price, offer him the difference as long as you contact the lien holder to ok a payoff. If it isi more than make home pay you for the difference. If you dont want the bike demand cash and threaten to contact a lawyer.
Just a thought.
Chris
The previous "owner" owes (a lot) more than Altephor paid for the bike, unfortunately.
I could not convince him on the cash deal. So it will be a certified bank check, unfortunately. He is coming Saturday. I will be writing a lengthy, detailed bill of sale/receipt for both of us to sign and I have all of his e-mails and what not. I will also be making a copy of his license. If the check does not clear, then it is larceny and he will be arrested.
The bike is not stolen. Actually it's kind of funny because when we discussed it with the local PD they entered the VIN and it calls up similiar VINs as well, one was a Suzuki motorcycle that was stolen. The officer said so and my heart stopped for like 2 minutes and then he was like, oh wrong one.
Call the bank and ask to speak to the teller that issued the check before you hand over the bike. ;)
I will
Well, maybe I won't.. god.. he's getting the check from HSBC (sound familiar?).. I tried to get the number of his branch and the damn customer service people are like 'yeah, we don't give the numbers, we have an internal network so we can only transfer you, only if we speak to the customer first'. So I guess I will make him call.
Now why would he be getting a check from HSBC if HE owes THEM a pile of money for the bike? :dunno_white:
My question exactly.
I think before I ask him that, however, I will just wait til he comes here, call the bank, verify if it's valid. That way if it's not, I know exactly where he is and can just call the police.
Man, this guy is a read d!ck head. Everyone is telling you right. Don't trust him as far as you can throw him. Honestly a bank check or cashiers check is gotten from a bank branch and if He lives in CT as well I don't think there is a single HSBC branch in that state. At least www.yellowpages.com can't find one. I know they deal mostly over the phone but I don't like the sounds of this guys plan.
dude... here's a problem... BANKS CLOSE EARLY ON SATURDAYS!
I used to work at a business, and if we had a check for over 300 dollars, we had to call it in to the bank, to check to make sure it was legit.
Well, on saturdays, we'd ALWAYS get people wanting to write big checks after 2pm, because for sure ALL the banks were closed.....
My only ONLY ONLY advice other than DON'T TAKE A CHECK!! is that you get his ID card, the witnesses ID card, him to sign something saying that the check if a valid document, and have a notary with you to verify all that.
seriously, you're gonna get screwed, I can feel it. Maybe no one else will come out and say it that bluntly, but you need to know, you're about to get F'd in the anus, without any lube.
Force your point. Don't roll over so easily for this duck head.... You seem like a rather passive guy, and people are going to walk all over you.
Quote from: TragicImage on July 26, 2006, 11:12:37 AMseriously, you're gonna get screwed, I can feel it. Maybe no one else will come out and say it that bluntly, but you need to know, you're about to get F'd in the anus, without any lube.
Force your point. Don't roll over so easily for this duck head.... You seem like a rather passive guy, and people are going to walk all over you.
Well said.
Tell him you don't trust him, and you're not going to give him the $50. He is going to take his sorry butt to you on his own expense and he is going to refund you full in cash. Tell him it's not a negotiation. He had choices before he chose to take advantage of you. He crossed the negotiation line after he'd been jerking you around the last few weeks. It's a simple yes or no question for him. He says no then get your lawyer and be done dealing with him directly. Tape the phone call because if I can read this guy right he isn't going to like being told what he's going to do and will probably say something really stupid.
You really are going to get screwed if you keep letting him call all the shots and whether you want to admit it or not, he is calling the shots. I'm not busting on you or anything but you need to get a little aggressive and stop being so naive, he's dictating how everything is going down. Give him the option I outlined above and if he doesn't take it then call a lawyer. It's time you put your foot down.
Again, don't take any of this personally, I'd hate to see you get taken advantage of any more than you already have. I'm just trying to help.
He is coming early on Saturday, and I checked on the times that his bank is open on Saturday (til 1 pm). He will be arriving around 10 am, which gives me 3 hours to call his bank and verify the validity of the check as well as deposit it at my bank. He will not be leaving until all that has been completed and the amount is in my account.
I wouldn't recommend depositing the check in your account. I would take the check TO HIS BANK. There, you can cash the check with a simple liscense. THEN go to your bank for a deposit.
If you call to verify the check, he can still put a stop payment on the check.
Put locks on the rotors, cable it to something, and don't have the keys on you when he shows up.
Don't want him walking away with the bike before everything is finished.
Quote from: Altephor on July 26, 2006, 11:51:38 AM
He is coming early on Saturday, and I checked on the times that his bank is open on Saturday (til 1 pm). He will be arriving around 10 am, which gives me 3 hours to call his bank and verify the validity of the check as well as deposit it at my bank. He will not be leaving until all that has been completed and the amount is in my account.
This is asking for trouble. How are you going to keep him there? Are you going to hide the key? What if he demands the key? What if he starts to threaten you? Are you prepared to throw down and have a possible lawsuit filed against you if you kick the tar out of him?
I'm not trying to scare you but this really has gone past the civil point and I wouldn't put any of the above past this dirtbag. I'd highly recommend some sort of legal authority to be present. I'll stay out of it from here on out but take care of yourself, I just don't see this being taken care of in a friendly civil manner.
I can't go to his bank, they do not have a branch in CT.
Quote from: Altephor on July 26, 2006, 12:09:07 PM
I can't go to his bank, they do not have a branch in CT.
DO NOT ACCEPT HIS "CERTIFIED" BANK CHECK. This has been said MANY TIMES. LISTEN TO US.
Seriously, please! Demand that this guy take his bank check and get cash for it and give the cash to you. Make him go to the bank if he needs, but do NOT accept anything that isn't cash.
ONLY ACCEPT CASH.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on July 26, 2006, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: Altephor on July 26, 2006, 12:09:07 PM
I can't go to his bank, they do not have a branch in CT.
DO NOT ACCEPT HIS "CERTIFIED" BANK CHECK. This has been said MANY TIMES. LISTEN TO US.
Seriously, please! Demand that this guy take his bank check and get cash for it and give the cash to you. Make him go to the bank if he needs, but do NOT accept anything that isn't cash.
ONLY ACCEPT CASH.
Seriously. There is a reason he doesn't want to bring cash........and it's not the one he's feeding to you.
please dude, you're like, our little crusade at the moment.
Don't get anally violated, again.
I don't know if this sort of psychology would work on someone so corrupt...but....
Here in California, a vehicle (automobile/truck/etc) must pass a smog inspection BEFORE it is sold. It's the responsibility of the seller to do this. When we went to buy a truck from a trusted neighbor, we found out after exchanging $ for truck that he had NOT made sure the truck passed inspection (or it had failed, I can't remember now). Being reasonable people, we went over and talked to our neighbor after having microscopically disected the part in the DMV code that talks about our situation). Our neighbor wasn't too interested in doing the smog thang. He figured he'd sold it, so it was OUR problem.
I told him that I would just LOVE for it to be our problem, but since it wasn't in our name, we couldn't insure it. If we couldn't insure it, any accidents we had while driving it would be the responsibility of the registered owner (he said he'd cancelled the insurance "yesterday," so I pointed out how accidents can be...really expensive...they'll take your house if you're not insured enough!). We told him how sorry we were that the DMV was being so strict, and we'd sure like to be able to get it taken care of ourselves, but our hands were tied.
Within two days, he'd taken care of the smog repairs and test. ;)
Unfortunately, it doesn't sound as though this guy is reasonable, and I really think he's setting you up for a bad one... :cry:
Quote from: LPC2104 on July 26, 2006, 12:19:31 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on July 26, 2006, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: Altephor on July 26, 2006, 12:09:07 PM
I can't go to his bank, they do not have a branch in CT.
DO NOT ACCEPT HIS "CERTIFIED" BANK CHECK. This has been said MANY TIMES. LISTEN TO US.
Seriously, please! Demand that this guy take his bank check and get cash for it and give the cash to you. Make him go to the bank if he needs, but do NOT accept anything that isn't cash.
ONLY ACCEPT CASH.
Seriously. There is a reason he doesn't want to bring cash........and it's not the one he's feeding to you.
This bears repeating. :cry:
I'll say it again.
ONLY ACCEPT CASH.
The Red robots and Pandy are correct ... wowee ... that statement even sounds wrong ... but I'll repeat it ... "Take cash only. In small unmarked bills.
You get ripped off now, and we'll not be on your side anymore ...
Cool.
Srinath.
Quote from: seshadri_srinath on July 26, 2006, 12:33:05 PM
Take cash only. In small unmarked bills.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: seshadri_srinath on July 26, 2006, 12:33:05 PM
You get ripped off now, and we'll not be on your side anymore ...
I'll bet Srinath has the biggest heart amongst us, but he just doesn't want his reputation ruined! :kiss3:
The problem is, if I keep asking for cash only, then he can just say well screw you then keep the bike and I'll keep your money.
I've asked for a signed letter with the bank letterhead from the manager of his branch that certifies the check as valid and that the funds will be available to me.
And if the check fails, I'll have a copy of his license and there will be a warrant put out for his arrest.
Also, if the check fails, I can demand payment and if he doesn't, bring him to small court for the money and an additional $750.
Quote from: Altephor on July 26, 2006, 12:42:28 PM
The problem is, if I keep asking for cash only, then he can just say well screw you then keep the bike and I'll keep your money.
I've asked for a signed letter with the bank letterhead from the manager of his branch that certifies the check as valid and that the funds will be available to me.
And if the check fails, I'll have a copy of his license and there will be a warrant put out for his arrest.
Also, if the check fails, I can demand payment and if he doesn't, bring him to small court for the money and an additional $750.
If you can even find him and IF you can even get him to show up to court. He's gonna run and you're gonna get screwed.
Try as hard as you freakin' can to get him to give you cash.
Quote from: Altephor on July 26, 2006, 12:42:28 PM
The problem is, if I keep asking for cash only, then he can just say well screw you then keep the bike and I'll keep your money.
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Really ... think about what you said ... Check = cash ... if he intends to let you cash it that is ...
Also - the bank that holds his title, will be after him to make payments and after what you have said earlier - they know he's not got the bike ... so he skips and they will show up to take it ... guess what ... if its not there they drag him off to jail. So he's got no option ... he cannot let you have the bike. He has to get it back.
Cool.
Srinath.
Quote from: Altephor on July 26, 2006, 12:42:28 PM
The problem is, if I keep asking for cash only, then he can just say well screw you then keep the bike and I'll keep your money.
I've asked for a signed letter with the bank letterhead from the manager of his branch that certifies the check as valid and that the funds will be available to me.
And if the check fails, I'll have a copy of his license and there will be a warrant put out for his arrest.
Also, if the check fails, I can demand payment and if he doesn't, bring him to small court for the money and an additional $750.
I started to type out a long response but I'm staying out.
Demand cash. If he says no have a lawyer call him.
And for crying out loud don't give him the $50 if the deal actually happens. Or, write a bad check for $50. Like I said, this is no longer a negotiation, or shouldn't be anyway.
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If he comes with a cashiers check call 411 get the number for the bank it's from and ask if it's a real check. Also you should be able to call your bank and they will call the bank it's drawn on to verify. There will be a sieral number on it. Thats the only advice I can offer at this point, since he " feels uncomfortable ". Aslo make sure there are no marks on the check.
Personally I would take a trip up there with the bike in the back of a truck or on a trailer meet in front of his bank. I'm just getting bad feeling about this one.
I'm betting he show's up after banking hrs with a check thats not good. Hopeing I'm wrong on this.
Checks are bad. If you call a bank to verify a check, 99% of banks WILL NOT TELL YOU if the funds are available. Instead, they will verify that it is an open account. However, it could be an open account with $.50 inside. CASH ONLY. Man.. I wanna come out there and deck this motherf*cker in the face for you...
Well, it would have been a bank check so if the account had $.50 he couldn't draw the check. But.. that doesn't matter..
HE'S BRINGING CASH :2guns: :2guns:
Certified / cashiers checks are different. They are kind of like money orders, you go to your bank pay them the amount of the certifed check then they make a bank check for that amount. When you deposit the check it comes from the banks account not the persons. God it's 3 am and I don't think I'm explaining this too good.
Anyway sense he's bring cash thats best :thumb: Stop by a store and for a couple of bucks you can get a marker to check and make sure the money's real :icon_mrgreen: Just to show him what you think of him.
Well thank God for that. Now go get your money back! :)
Quote from: Altephor on July 26, 2006, 08:09:27 PM
HE'S BRINGING CASH :2guns: :2guns:
Sweet!! :cheers: :cheers:
We'll keep our fingers crossed that everything goes well... :thumb:
yeah, normally I usually error to optimism (while still not being naive), but man oh man, in this case, I agree with everyone's warnings and approach to get cash. sounds like that's the latest plan so good luck and hopefully it all works out.
too bad about the experience, and please don't let this turn you off of riding. the 2 are not necessarily related and don't go hand a hand - it's just a bad transaction experience that happens to involve the sale of a bike. not all bike sales are like this - i'm sure you realize this, but thought I'd reiterate.
good luck again.
I'll probably look into getting another bike, probably an SV650S (yay for FI!) once I have more money and live someplace with a garage.
Here's to him bringing cash. If he doesn't beat his face in :) And he has some balls to tell you that you should pay for him taking the day off to return the $ for the crap you are going through. Even after I got the cash I would probably punch him in the face just because he really deserves it. Yeah yeah, it's illegal I know. If he shows up w/ a penny less then $2900 at least knee him in the nuts or something ;)
Certified checks are good, but like a regular check they can have a stop payment put on them (like if the dumbass told them he lost it - and after reading all this I wouldn't doubt it)
Used GSE's are pretty cheap - you can always pick one of those up and still have a nice chunk of your $2900 left
so what happened?? :icon_confused:
d5