Seeing that there hasn't been a shooting thread for a while, I thought I'd bring y'all up to date on my shooting.
At the beginning of September I travelled away with my BIL to the state titles, 1000km's travel to get to where they were being held. The weather was crap, with a constant wind that was moving the shot about a foot to the right. I managed to get 4th in the aggregate in my class so I was pretty happy with being 4th in the State. :thumb: My BIL defended his title and is the state champion. I also managed to shoot some PB's, my offhand was the best I had ever shot. I also managed a 4th in the flintlock shoot, which was surprising considering that I hadn't shot it in over 12 months and never really been successful at shooting it.
Then at our September club shoot, I shot bloody terrible, putting in a rifle target that looked like it had been shot with a shotgun.
Yesterday we had October shoot and it was a total turn around. I won the muzzleloading shotgun, for the first time. I got second in the rifle event with a score of 93 out of 100, 50yards, prone, with open sights. There was even a flintlock event which I'm still having some trouble with, only getting 9 scoring shots on the target, with a score of 66 from 100.
I've one more competition shoot in two weeks, then the years shooting is about over. I just need to get some practice in for next year and hopefully start picking a few medals. :2guns:
I excersised my right as an American to pick up a new toy this weekend at the gun show. Got me a used para p10 45 and a couple of AR-15 lower receivers.
Winter project time will be upon us soon. Got a subframe and cowl to do the tail swap on my wifes f4i, gonna do my custom carry work on the p10 and put together a couple of AR-15's. Thinking of doing one in a C/F bull barrel flat top for long range stuff. The other one is going to take a butt load of paperwork. 10.5" supressed tactical rifle. The ultimate home defense weapon.
Nice! Sounds like you have some fun coming up BP!
I got my CX4. f%$king SMOOTH!!! I've already thrown 1000 rounds downrange with it :icon_twisted: For a handgun munition it is incredibly accurate. I nailed a 'little green man' at about 300m all but twice, :icon_twisted:
i'm actually of the impression that a good shotgun is the perfect home defense weapon. put a pistol grip on it. cut the barrel down as close as you can. you only need to aim in relative direction to an intruder. aim for the knees. :2guns: :2guns:
oh, btw bubba, congrats and good luck with competitions. :thumb:
We don't have guns down here for home defence.
But I do have a mag lite, one of the four 'D' battery ones. :thumb:
WoooHooo! Congrats on the good shooting, and g'luck on getting medals!!! :cheers:
Congratulations BTW bubba.
Quote from: jserio on October 21, 2007, 08:32:46 PM
i'm actually of the impression that a good shotgun is the perfect home defense weapon. put a pistol grip on it. cut the barrel down as close as you can. you only need to aim in relative direction to an intruder. aim for the knees. :2guns: :2guns:
Believe what you want. Studies of close range shootings have found otherwise, I am too lazy to bother with looking up the info but the minimum effective round for shot guns is 00 buck, not a lot of pattern. You are better served by a pistol or a short barrel rifle for CQB. Proponents of the birdshot load in shotguns are arguing that it does not have room to room penetration thus not endangering your family. Many instances of lightweight shot being used in home defense situations have lead to lawsuits by the intruder suing the homeowner for damages. If you enter my home your gonna die. My sons choice of bedrooms in house was decided based upon points of entry and lanes of fire.
Our state has a make my day law and recently adopted a make my stand law which enlarges the boundries of your invioable right to absolute safety outside of the home and into not just your vehicle but any public setting where you may be. It is currently being tested in the courts here and many of us are watching the upcoming developments closely.
Georgia is coming along that path, heavily influenced by our southernly neighbors. While, technically, it is within legal bounds to defend yourself with force up to and including lethal when threatened, you better be damn ready to defend your actions in court. You also should be prepared to be handcuffed and processed until the situation can be sorted out. That is the 'in public' scenario. Recently the bounds of domicile defense have been extended to any private property. ie. lethal force is considered appropriate with no warning if you justifiably believe that either yourself, your family, or your property is in danger. Previously, this was only applicable to the interior of your house.
But that's just georgia.
Yes you need to be fully prepared to defend your actions in court. We have a 67 year old man here who is legally licensed to carry a concealed weapon that shot and killed a drunk meth head 20 years younger thasn him who followed him in a road rage incident early in the summer. The DA has just decided to file charges in the last 2 weeks. Unfortunately his voluntary cooperation with officers may have hurt his case he should have asked to consult with a lawyer before speaking to the police. He is a subject of much discussion on a local shooters forum and in the news. I wish I would get selected for his Jury. :mad:
I think here in the UK we should be allowed to defend our homes and families with at least Tazer weapons. Its illegal to own a handgun here in the UK but i think you should be able to carry a tazer weapon or own one in the home to protect your family. Too many home owners here get sentenced for beating buglers with baseball bats, cricket bats, whatever they have. I think it is an ABSOLUTE f%$king OUTRAGE that someone who breaks into your home can come out of a court as a free man yet the man who defended his family got the sentence i mean WTF?
If i broke into someone's house i would be bloody prepared to be beaten to death before i went in because i shouldn't have f%$king been there in the first place.
The government and courts undjustly convict so many people for defending themselves from the real thugs that now people here in the UK are too frightened to stand up for ourselves. Even if you are attacked by a man in a pub and you beat the crap outta him in defence you will be the one in trouble because you hurt him more than he hurt you! Well thats f%&ked up because he just picked on someone much tougher than he thought and got the consequences. I dunno whether the government likes it like this, likes to keep us too scared of the reprocussions to try and defend ourselves so thearetically we look like a more peacfull nation.
BP, so you suggest i get a .44 magnum loaded with largest and heavyest ammo available to place on my nightstand? :dunno_white:
Quote from: jserio on October 22, 2007, 09:32:41 AM
BP, so you suggest i get a .44 magnum loaded with largest and heavyest ammo available to place on my nightstand? :dunno_white:
I would not use a shotgun loaded with lightweight shot, nor would I aim for the knees. Ever heard the phrase a mans home is his castle?
Many states recognize the inviolable right to safety within your own home, when that is the case I fully believe in bringing to bear the maximum amount of firepower at my disposal. My home is my place of retreat just as a castle was, and if your gonna beard this lion you would be lucky to live.
You stated an intent to do malicious harm to an individual by aiming for the knee's that can be misconstrued by any good attorney and land you in a civil suit you will never see the financial bottom of. My intention is simple anyone bold enough to enter my home is a threat to me and my family and I wish to eliminate that threat and not ever have to worry about that person or persons again.
Your choice of wepons and training regiment should reflect ones desire to survive at alll costs, usage of half measures suggests that maybe you were not afraid and opens you up to serious reprecussions.
You want to stop em dead in their tracks 100% of the time??? A .44 mag or LC will definitely do the trick.
Quote from: spcterry on October 22, 2007, 01:47:53 PM
You want to stop em dead in their tracks 100% of the time??? A .44 mag or LC will definitely do the trick.
to all you shooters,
the caliber is of no importance, give me a .22 and Ime more dangerous than most cops with a .38 or .45 actually I spoke to some cops and they admitted the shoot like crap with there .45's
unfortunately laws on arms owners are getting impossible here, wich is all in favor of the criminals who can and will carry whatever,..
( my favorite would be a Glock 25 in 380cal. )
EVERY factor is of importance in shooting. In a CQC confrontation where aim is not as vital a factor, caliber can be a very decisive factor in your survival. Shoot a crackhead in the chest with a .22 and see what happens. While the .45 is not the most accurate overral, it does have incredible stopping power at close range. Most of the cops here carry a 'backup' firearms on the ankle, generally of the kel-tec variety. This is an incredibly light and accurate .380, but it will not have the power of the primary weapon.
Never, ever, f%$king discount any factor in shooting. The terrain you are standing on can be a vital factor.
QuoteWhile the .45 is not the most accurate overral
That is my most accurate pistol.
Quote from: jimbo1 on October 22, 2007, 07:16:22 PM
QuoteWhile the .45 is not the most accurate overral
That is my most accurate pistol.
Love the .45ACP
My Colt officers series 80 was the dogs bollocks. It would feed any ammo of any type mix out of the mags and not even bobble in the slightest.
Out in the garage earlier digging up my smithing tools, cant wait to dig into the P10.
Wilsons beaver tail grip safety, commander hammer, trijicon night sights, 1 piece tungsten guide rod, extended slide release ambidextrous extended safety, re-ramp and polish feed ramp, mildly throat the chamber flared ejection port. Suprisingly the slide doesn't need tightened and lapped to the frame it's got a fantastic fit already. Since this is going to be a carry weapon I will probably not do much with the trigger group since it feels really clean and crisp and breaks at 3 1/2 poonds already. Melt down all the sharp edges and give it a nice new k-kote finish :thumb:
With an experienced operator the .45 can be incredibly accurate. However with an inexperienced operator, it has a tendancy to pull. My most accurate pistol is my Makarov bore 9mm FEG PA-63, trying to find ammo sucks though. :icon_confused:
i want this. a friend of mine just bought one http://www.biggerhammer.net/barrett/ . BUT the cost is HIGH. ill have to settle for an ar50 :thumb:
^^^^^
Blow people's f%$king legs off with that thing.
If i lived in america and shooting was easy id like an L95 RAF issue sniper rifle. Firing 7.62mm calibre ammo. Ive seen the guys in the field squadrons engage targets at over 1000 meters. Its also so light weight to handle also.
those are investments. if some in congress want to re ban certain weps, i got a feling those will be some on the block. ( but they, if bought b4 a ban will be grandfathered in) and value will rise drastically :thumb:
Quote from: spcterry on October 22, 2007, 08:44:33 PM
With an experienced operator the .45 can be incredibly accurate. However with an inexperienced operator, it has a tendancy to pull. My most accurate pistol is my Makarov bore 9mm FEG PA-63, trying to find ammo sucks though. :icon_confused:
All true,
my most acurate was the 357 Ruger GP 100 revolver short barrel, but the trigger action made up for all that.
but for carrying I'd prefer light.
comming Sunday Ill be on the range here, with special OP's forces.
Ime dying to see how they perform ( we gonna shoot with 9mm taurus I believe a Beretta clone ) anything worth mentioning Ill post it.
Greetings from Brasil
Peter
QuoteWith an experienced operator the .45 can be incredibly accurate. However with an inexperienced operator, it has a tendancy to pull. My most accurate pistol is my Makarov bore 9mm FEG PA-63, trying to find ammo sucks though.
I have a Russian makarov that is second only to my .45 in accuracy. I have less than $200 in the mak, and well over $1000 in the .45. Makarovs are a great pistol for the money, but they are getting hard to come by.
BP, sounds like you have an awsome project going, be sure to post some pics when you get it finished. I used to carry a commander size 1911, but couldn't stand the thought of scratching it, so I switched to Glocks for carry.
All this talk of modded pistols, guess I'm going to have do some work on my S&W 586. :icon_mrgreen:
I considered a G30 but have seen too many of the .45 glocks that have gone KaBoom because of an over pressure load. More than one round had gone through my colt that was headspace deficient from being rechambered and other than a little extra buck it just kept on running.
Jimbo!!! Damn!!! Someone else who likes the 9x18!!!!
The true Maks are getting very hard to come by, however the FEG PA-63 is pretty readily available. I bought mine for $150 with an assortment of different trigger springs, cleaning kit and a box of ammo. The only thing I didn't like was the pull strength on it from stock. The only thing I've done to it is replace the slide spring with a newer slightly stiffer one.
I've fired my fair share of weapons and the FEG holds it's own not only in it's price class, but with many much more expensive.
Not to mention, the weight and concealability of the FEG. Many of the cops I know have been swayed by it as a concealed carry piece based off my experiences.
QuoteI considered a G30
I carry a G27. Most of the glock kabooms have come from a case head failure. All glocks leave a good portion of the case head unsupported, this causes their reliability, but also will blow if weak brass is used. But a .45 kaboom would be more likely a failure in the brass than a failure in the weapon, .45 is one of the lowest pressure rounds out. My 1911 leaves more of the brass unsupported than either my .40 or 9mm Glocks, and no matter how I have loaded them, I have yet to see any signs of over pressure or begining case failure.
I consider my 1911 the corvette of my handguns, the Glocks are the old Ford trucks. I once heard someone call Glocks the AK47 of handguns, not the prettiest or the most accurate, but always goes bang.
On the Maks, a very typical russian design. They have always made very simple weapons, and the simplicity is what makes them so good. I have a few soviet designed rifles, and they, just like the Mak are designed so a russian peasant can maintain and operate them
Yeah, the FEG is a very basic design, which also contributes to it's light weight.
The 1911 is a damn fine weapon, but IMO the H&K Mk23 is a superior weapon. I fell in love with that at the first trigger pull :o
for a pistol i'd like something compact yet not tiny. decent power but not tremendous recoil. something that fits nicely in my hand. with ammo that isn't an arm and a leg and easy to come by.
kel-tec .380
I went shooting for the first time in almost 15 years this past Sunday... Went with a cute girl too. :D
the price on that kel-tec doesn't seem too bad. it will fire any .380 cartridge? i may sound like a moron but i'm a bit new to guns in general. :)
The kel-tec is a very reasonably priced offering. Yes any .380 ammo will fire, but as with any weapon you will find the specific type that works best for you and your weapon. Some of the cheaper FMJ's have a tendency of jamming in any weapon. I stay away from cheap ammo.
Hey BP where do you shoot at?
Haven't been shooting in forever, let my membership at tulsa firearms expire years ago. Might go rejoin there. I need to go find someplace to run a box of ammo through this P10 to see if it has any feed or ejection issues I need to work on. Damn thing was so badly cared for I had to clean crap outta the mag just to get it to chamber the top round out of the clip when I brought it home.
Got a friend who lives out by Coweta going to go see if I can shoot there or if people are still allowed to shoot at the creek out back of Mohawk.
P.M. me over on TSR if you know of any good places for cheap.
Anyone here have any experience with Hi-Points?
I'm looking for something for my wife to keep at home. I work nights.
She is quit good with a Ruger mkII, and although a .22 can do some damage, I'm not sure it's the best way to go for her.
I'm thinking .380 or 9mm, maybe a small .38 also.
PJ.
Hi-Point?!?!? Dear god No!!!! They fall apart and jam almost predictably :o Same with Cobra's. Absolute crap!!!
I love my FEG and it definitely packs a decent punch, but ammo can be hard to find. Kel-Tec's .380 is a very capable personal defense platform as I've already said and I'm very sold on their product. Of course, if it's just gonna be a 'nightstand' sidearm, you can usually find old 6 shot .38's pretty cheap and the tech is mega simple so things don't break.
Kel-Tec .380.
light, cheap, reliable, easy to shoot, no safety to forget about
I picked mine up for 225
never had problems as far as falling apart with a hi point, jamming sometimes, but not as bad as heard. however, for home defense, find something she is comfortable carrying/holding/aiming, even a clean used gun of some kind :2guns:
OK, Thanks guys.
I'll check out the Kel-Tec. As well as keep my eye open for a good
Feather weight .38.
PJ
I have found a revolver is nice for the ladys no jaming no fiddling with it just point and shoot. Gravy to reload. Love my 357/38 and so do the women :kiss3:!
Have a read of this http://arthurshall.com/x_2007_manly_firearms.shtml
Man Bubba, Here I was thinking of getting a 9mm and you had to post that link. :cheers: Guess I'll start looking for a 1911. Had one a few years ago. Wish I never got rid of it.
PJ
That was awesome :thumb:
I need to go grunt and scratch something.
I do have a Saiga in 7.62x39 with a 16 inch barrel. I guess I'm not too unmanly. If you all aren't familiar with it, think Ruger Ranch rifle style on a AK47 action. It's manufactured in Russia by the Izhmash (spell?) factory.
They are the same one that make the AK.
I use the Wolf brand ammo in 154 gr. soft nose. It's basically a semi-auto .30-30.
I order the ammo from sportsmansguide.com
They also have the 9x18 cal. for you FEG owners.
Spcterry, i looked up the FEG, looks nice. I take it that it's similar to a .380?
PJ.
Yeah, it's similar to .380, but don't make the mistake of trying to use .380 ammo in it :o
It is a damn nice little sidearm and hasn't let me down yet. :thumb: