Lots of us have considered alternative engines for the GS.Most consider the Kawasaki Ninjette 500,Suzuki GR650 Temptor,Suzuki SV,Honda CRF450,CR500.The inline 4 cylinders are out.They're just to wide.While searching for info on another bike I liked.I found that the CR500 puts down 50hp and the CRF450 puts down 55.Then I found this conversion.Can you say 210 hp 1000cc GS500CR. O0
http://www.trickracing1.com/The%20First%20CR500%20Made%20into%201000cc.html
Looks like I have a powerful option for project Lite Wait.If I do It,I'll save enough weight to toss on a USD front from a TLR or GSXR. O0
I want it! Can you say sleeper bike! Pull up next to hot shot on his new r6, and ask him to race. :icon_twisted:
So do you send them your cr500 motor and they mod it?
thats crazzzzzyyyy but i like it. makes look inzzzane :o
Quote from: bucks1605 on June 08, 2008, 03:20:27 PM
So do you send them your cr500 motor and they mod it?
Not 100%.I haven't contacted them yet.I'm a little gun shy about what it cost.Plus I haven't located a CR500 yet.
Quote from: ben2go on June 08, 2008, 03:38:17 PM
Quote from: bucks1605 on June 08, 2008, 03:20:27 PM
So do you send them your cr500 motor and they mod it?
Not 100%.I haven't contacted them yet.I'm a little gun shy about what it cost.Plus I haven't located a CR500 yet.
I've got one thats been for sale around me for a long time. The guy doesn't even have a price on it, he's willing to trade. He claims if its not gone by next weekend, he's gonna throw it up on ebay. I wonder if he'd be willing to trade for an xr200...
Quote from: bucks1605 on June 08, 2008, 03:45:52 PM
Quote from: ben2go on June 08, 2008, 03:38:17 PM
Quote from: bucks1605 on June 08, 2008, 03:20:27 PM
So do you send them your cr500 motor and they mod it?
Not 100%.I haven't contacted them yet.I'm a little gun shy about what it cost.Plus I haven't located a CR500 yet.
I've got one thats been for sale around me for a long time. The guy doesn't even have a price on it, he's willing to trade. He claims if its not gone by next weekend, he's gonna throw it up on ebay. I wonder if he'd be willing to trade for an xr200...
Never hurts to ask what kind of trades he's willing to make.
Quote from: ben2go on June 08, 2008, 03:50:19 PM
Quote from: bucks1605 on June 08, 2008, 03:45:52 PM
Quote from: ben2go on June 08, 2008, 03:38:17 PM
Quote from: bucks1605 on June 08, 2008, 03:20:27 PM
So do you send them your cr500 motor and they mod it?
Not 100%.I haven't contacted them yet.I'm a little gun shy about what it cost.Plus I haven't located a CR500 yet.
I've got one thats been for sale around me for a long time. The guy doesn't even have a price on it, he's willing to trade. He claims if its not gone by next weekend, he's gonna throw it up on ebay. I wonder if he'd be willing to trade for an xr200...
Never hurts to ask what kind of trades he's willing to make.
Now I just have to figure out what I could trade the guys for working on the engine. :laugh:
email the company and see if they will mod a gs500 to creat the firts ever gs1000 Itwin
Say to them to do it , that the bike will wear loads and loads of There companys logos and decals , u provide the engine and the gs , and just mention , how many people will ask how that Gs500 Ripped a r1? just say ur a walking advertisement etc ,
Quote from: mach1 on June 08, 2008, 04:02:52 PM
email the company and see if they will mod a gs500 to creat the firts ever gs1000 Itwin
Damn, worth a shot. I'd be willing to shell out a few hundo for some more power.
I love the naked look ,. handling etc , but if it had a 1000cc in it , with T LR F/E , bandit 1200 SA ... Beast!
Quote from: Jay_wolf on June 08, 2008, 04:27:11 PM
I love the naked look ,. handling etc , but if it had a 1000cc in it , with T LR F/E , bandit 1200 SA ... Beast!
I would keep it forever if I was running that set up.
I'd love to see a V4 GS500...
keep us all informed on the price once you do contact them.. I think its everyones wet dream here to make the gs a 1000...
I've got a whole extra frame, I wanna have one of these badasses. that'd be hysterical to pretty much have better power to weight ratio and more overall hp than a busa.
they cost a fortune, and the word in the bandit community is they dont hold up like other custom bandit motors
so this is just a mod for the stock engine?
if so, my thoughts would be: would the redline be brought down even further because of bigger heavier pistons?
and also, to get any higher top speed, would you be able to gear the bike high enough to take full advantage of that engine?
Its for a Cr500 Two Smoke.. but it fits in the Gs frame , and theyve made it 1000cc ,
oh i see.
dumb question.. you did mean two stroke right? that turns me off to it
Nick Named Two Smoke .. Because there Smoky , but powerful... I have a 70cc Two Stroke , And I weigh 13.5 stone ( 189 pounds ) naked .. :thumb:
so with a helmet and Jacket.. 200 pounds? ... The Bike weights 15 stone ( 210 pounds) .. and im about as aerodymic as a Fiat Multipla ... Yet i can Reach Speeds of 60 mph...
Ive seen 71 on a Steep Hill . and its a Electric Speedometer...
So 70cc's is Pulling 400 pounds to 60 mph..... Two Strokes Rock
even for daily driving? so you would have to get the tank empty every time then add oil every time you pump gas? and i've always heard that there is much more maintenance
I use it every day for work , and it handles going 50 mph+ for miles and miles...
Its about 70+ MPG .. i think stock its close to 100 if its Restricted at 30 and is only 50cc
I have a 70cc Carb , Rejet ,Racing Exhaust , Heavy Rollers ,Heavyer Clutch Plates.. Its a Twist and Go...Also have 140 Tyres on the front and Rear,Pirrelli Evo 22's i can lean so low on it
Mine has a Oil Pump , so its Not mixing the gas and oil .. also liquid cooled .. Auto Choke.. Its better than the bus :thumb:
Edit to Add Maintenance Info:
Doesnt have more than the Gs i wouldnt Say .. being a two stroke it Drinks oil , i run it on Full Syn Oil at 10 Pounds A Bottle .. which Lasts 300-400 Miles u dont have to check the oil because u no after 250 miles u no ur going to have to add some more soon,
Otherwise , its Fine
I check the Spark plug often ,
ten pounds? lol i guess that's the same as $4-5. so this engine they are talking about, does it have an oil pump? that is awesome. i've actually never heard of a two stroke with circulating oil and un mixed gas
10 pounds is 20 bucks my friend
Quote from: cd on June 08, 2008, 06:06:39 PM
they cost a fortune, and the word in the bandit community is they dont hold up like other custom bandit motors
Not a Bandit motor we're talking about.It's a CR500 2 stroke conversion.
Quote from: KasbeKZ on June 08, 2008, 06:55:45 PM
even for daily driving? so you would have to get the tank empty every time then add oil every time you pump gas? and i've always heard that there is much more maintenance
I would add measured amounts of oil to match the fuel added to the tank.Also carry extra plugs with the tool kit.That's the way I did my yamaha.When I was growing up there wasn't many houses in my area.We could hit the trails and go 50 to 60 miles to Chimney Rock,NC,only crossing a few roads here and there.Good times.All the trails were closed because of land preservation.Now it's all housing developments.Most of the houses are so close together you can barely get a small lawn mower between them.That's why I gave up on dirt bikes and atv's. :cry:
Quote from: ben2go on June 08, 2008, 09:24:51 PM
Quote from: KasbeKZ on June 08, 2008, 06:55:45 PM
even for daily driving? so you would have to get the tank empty every time then add oil every time you pump gas? and i've always heard that there is much more maintenance
I would add measured amounts of oil to match the fuel added to the tank.Also carry extra plugs with the tool kit.That's the way I did my yamaha.When I was growing up there wasn't many houses in my area.We could hit the trails and go 50 to 60 miles to Chimney Rock,NC,only crossing a few roads here and there.Good times.All the trails were closed because of land preservation.Now it's all housing developments.Most of the houses are so close together you can barely get a small lawn mower between them.That's why I gave up on dirt bikes and atv's. :cry:
I'm about to give up on 'em too, we just never get to ride any more.
huh? what? were you guys talking? I was drooling over the possibility of a 210hp GS, jesus that could scare the living hell outta yourself and any small jets in the area
Quote from: Jay_wolf on June 08, 2008, 06:43:13 PM
Its for a Cr500 Two Smoke.. but it fits in the Gs frame , and theyve made it 1000cc ,
so skinny ass cylinder walls and frequent reringing?
(http://www.trickracing1.com/DSC00858.JPG) O0 O0 O0
mmm
so, you take the fuel economy, reliability (ok, that one is debatable), and ease of maintenance the gs is famous for, and toss it ...
for an insane 1000cc two smoke ? 1000cc's !?
c'mon, that's just nutty. you'd either be bogging and fowling plugs or burning the rear tire/chain like a mad man. not much in between.
i mean, knock yourself out, but i'm staying far away from this one :)
But being as Ben Has 3 Gs's .. Maybe even 4?
Having a Busa Raper in the garage ...... I mean , people say why waste money on a little gs , where as it would rip a Busa in half? thats not a race.. Imagine making a Gs500F .. The Sleeper.... I Love it :thumb:
Something is jumping straight out at me regarding this..........Have you considered the fact those engines are intended for off road use and like most dirt-bikes will probably use a self-generating CDI system that gives barely enough power to provide a spark, ok on a track because thats all thats needed. It might have a small lighting coil in the generator but that will only provide a few watts and will of course be lost when the engine stops. In stock form its not going to be compatable with the GS electrical system, it wont support a battery and charging system nor will it provide anywhere near enough power for the lights etc required on a road-bike. If you are intending to make this road legal you need to give some serious thought to this issue.
what if... u had the Igition Set up with teh CR bits . yet , had a Switch with a completly different Loom , that is Flicked out with a switch on the bike .. so u can turn the lights on . And have all the indicators , break lights all with this Different loom . . i think if i worded it better u would get my drift.. and i didnt of that at first Sledge
Someone has already put a cr500 engine in a gs, I just can't remember if it was a track bike, or if it was street legal. i remember it was for sale on cl a few months ago.
Quote from: KasbeKZ on June 08, 2008, 06:55:45 PM
even for daily driving? so you would have to get the tank empty every time then add oil every time you pump gas? and i've always heard that there is much more maintenance
I got so insensed reading that I felt compelled to comment before reading anymore posts.
2 strokes do not, I repeat do not require more maintianence than a 4 stroke, a lot less actually. Proce out a complete top end build on a CR250 and then a CRF 250f fourstroke, worlds apart in price and complexity.
2 stroke, no adjusting valves, add oil and go.
the motorcycle manafactures and the eco nazis who ruin this world over stupid foliage and obscure 5 legged creatures have created the death blow and propoganda about 2 strokes.
OK.. this thread is starting to invent its own things as we go alon...
Where does it say this motor fits the GS ??? I saw nothing to indicate that :dunno_white:
There was a Gs on CraigsList , with a CR500 engine in .. so it fits
Quote from: Jay_wolf on June 09, 2008, 05:53:03 AM
what if... u had the Igition Set up with teh CR bits . yet , had a Switch with a completly different Loom , that is Flicked out with a switch on the bike .. so u can turn the lights on . And have all the indicators , break lights all with this Different loom . . i think if i worded it better u would get my drift.. and i didnt of that at first Sledge
Nice idea Jay, I understand what you are suggesting but where would the power for the lights come from? The stock CR system is not big (for want of a better term) enough to provide enough power for any lights or charge a battery. You could power the lights from a battery but it wouldnt be charged by the bike and when it went flat the lights would go dim :dunno_white:
My guess is that someone somewhere will sell a kit of parts that fit to the CR that will modify
and uprate the electrical system and allow it to provide power for charging and lighting but any kit will be designed for one engine and a single ignition system, not two joined together! I am sure there is a way around it but finding a reliable solution wont be easy.
Well from another battery , the amount of work needed for the mod would be intense , but that brings me down to the charging of the battery , unless its modifyed to power the Second battery , which it wouldnt work , as u would just skip the second battery if u could get a battery to charge of the cr lump...
Thinking like a Dyno on the rear wheel , im sure u could find one that could be modified to run off the rear wheel , thus charging the second battery, which would power the lights , indicators , brakes etc ..
I was thinking using say a Dna Wiring loom , the battery is half the size of a Gs battery to it would be easy to put on the bike.. its a 12 volt , then modify the controls, with the second loom ... It would be a ton of work .. Still Sounds like a fun project :thumb:
Service Honda can set the CR500 up for any of your ignition/charging/lighting systems.
Rewind the stator to increase higer out put, put in a charging system, yadda yadda yadda
Quote from: Fry on June 09, 2008, 07:28:49 AM
Service Honda can set the CR500 up for any of your ignition/charging/lighting systems.
Rewind the stator to increase higer out put, put in a charging system, yadda yadda yadda
Their website quotes a max output of 130watts which is still way short of what the GS needs when everything is lit-up. The problem with trying to get more power is physical space, if you want more power you need bigger coils and more powerful magnets, or you drop the Magneto design alltogether and use a more compact and powerful 3ph Alternator and Reg/Rect like the one on the GS.
I think it could be done Jay. Hell anything can be done....it all depends on how badly you want it to be done! :cheers: :cheers:
Theres no way in hell i can have a Cr500 engine shipped over, would cost me the price of a Leg
Quote from: sledge on June 09, 2008, 08:00:18 AM
Their website quotes a max output of 130watts which is still way short of what the GS needs when everything is lit-up. The problem with trying to get more power is physical space, if you want more power you need bigger coils and more powerful magnets, or you drop the Magneto design alltogether and use a more compact and powerful 3ph Alternator and Reg/Rect like the one on the GS.
You need to run a headlight (HID conversion, 30w)
Turn Signals (LED, 5w total, max)
Brake Light (LED, splurge, 10w)
Instrument lighting (10w?)
There should be plenty of wattage to keep the batter up and power the ignition at that point. People dual sport CR500s, what does a GS have thats sucking down extra juice over a dual sported dirt bike?
Jay Wolf you're correct.I have 4 GS's.
I understand all the points everyone is making about the electrical.I haven't decided if I wanna do this.I haven't located an CR500 engine or bike.The bike on craig's list was street legal with all lighting.I didn't ask about the electrics.I liked the idea then but wasn't fond of 2 strokes on the street.I only had 2 bikes then.Now I can experiment a little.The bike wouldn't be a long haul bike or commuter.Just a liter bike raper like Jay said.I'd love to see the look on a Busa riders face as I fly by on a naked GS.Oh wait,I won't be able to see that because I'll be gone before they can cry. :laugh:
Quote from: Kurlon on June 09, 2008, 10:32:25 AM
Quote from: sledge on June 09, 2008, 08:00:18 AM
Their website quotes a max output of 130watts which is still way short of what the GS needs when everything is lit-up. The problem with trying to get more power is physical space, if you want more power you need bigger coils and more powerful magnets, or you drop the Magneto design alltogether and use a more compact and powerful 3ph Alternator and Reg/Rect like the one on the GS.
You need to run a headlight (HID conversion, 30w)
Turn Signals (LED, 5w total, max)
Brake Light (LED, splurge, 10w)
Instrument lighting (10w?)
There should be plenty of wattage to keep the batter up and power the ignition at that point. People dual sport CR500s, what does a GS have thats sucking down extra juice over a dual sported dirt bike?
Stock GS has the following......... (info from the service manual)
Headlamp 55/60w (hi and low beam)
Tail light 5w (x2)
Brake light 21w (x2)
Indicator light 21w (x2 at any one time)
Tacho,and speedo pilots 3.4w each
Indicator neutral and oil pressure pilots 3.4w each
Hi-beam pilot 1.7w
Horn, not quoted call it 25w
Ignition circuit, not quoted call it 10w
......and thats before the battery gets charged. True you could loose a few things and fit some low power LEDS but then the question arises over the practicality and legality of the bike if you intend to use it on the road on a day to day basis.
Indicator relay not quoted call it 5w
]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/honda-cr500-cr-500-engine-motor-cylinder-cases-amf-kart_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a635Q7c39Q3a1Q7c65Q3a12QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem330242947343QQitemZ330242947343] (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/honda-cr500-cr-500-engine-motor-cylinder-cases-amf-kart_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a635Q7c39Q3a1Q7c65Q3a12QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem330242947343QQitemZ330242947343)
Has 6 days left....will keep an eye on it.
Quote from: lewismug on June 09, 2008, 12:05:28 PM
]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/honda-cr500-cr-500-engine-motor-cylinder-cases-amf-kart_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a635Q7c39Q3a1Q7c65Q3a12QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem330242947343QQitemZ330242947343] (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/honda-cr500-cr-500-engine-motor-cylinder-cases-amf-kart_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a635Q7c39Q3a1Q7c65Q3a12QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem330242947343QQitemZ330242947343)
Has 6 days left....will keep an eye on it.
That's a single cylinder air cooled 2 stroke.The one for the conversion is a water cooled twin from the mid to late 90's.
Like this one.
http://columbus.craigslist.org/mcy/712416341.html (http://columbus.craigslist.org/mcy/712416341.html)
Quote from: bucks1605 on June 09, 2008, 12:11:03 PM
Like this one.
http://columbus.craigslist.org/mcy/712416341.html (http://columbus.craigslist.org/mcy/712416341.html)
That's it but to fur away from me.
i never said it was a bandit motor, did I? and i meant the word in the banshee community, i have da brain fart
the banshee people are the masters of parallel twin 2 stroke power
Quote from: cd on June 09, 2008, 01:18:14 PM
i never said it was a bandit motor, did I? and i meant the word in the banshee community, i have da brain fart
the banshee people are the masters of parallel twin 2 stroke power
i agree when it comes to quads.
i'm no bike expert, but why not just set up the gs alternator (although i don't really know how the alternator looks, or if a conversion is possible) to work on the cr? then you could keep using the whole system, less the ignition, from the gs. all you need to do is get the gs alternator turning by the cr's power, and send power to the ignition of the cr. i can't think of anything else that would need to be changed.
but it's been a long day, so i may have forgotten the alphabet at the same time
Ummm, because parts of the 'alternator' are attached to the flywheel that is individually balanced to the specific bike and to the case, again very specific to a bike or series of bikes.
ummmm.
well that is difficult. but i'm sure there is an alternator somewhere that will serve as a generic replacement. but i guess that is the problem, finding that one.
I could prolly get electrosport to build me something custom.