GStwin.com GS500 Message Forum

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There has been a rash of non-shipping sellers (ok, lousy SCAMMERS) on gstwins lately. Some parts show up, not as promised, or if at all. Some sellers are just plain lazy, lying, or even thieving schmucks.

I enjoy the atmosphere of gstwins daily, and would like to see that it's members continue to enjoy the trading/buying/selling that is comfortable here.

On other forums, members are required to have at least 30 (and in some cases 100) posts, and at least 1 or 2 people to vouch for them that are well known before being allowed to post sales.

I'd like to see a similar policy used here, in our fantastic forum. I don't want gstwins getting a bad name, or it's users labeled as suckers either. We trust each other (well, ok, a little ;)   ) and enjoy the company, advice, expertise, and of course very cheap parts.

Please vote in the poll, and please, include only your thoughts ON TOPIC about implementing this.

Thanks !

- Kyle

(the poll disappeared, so I added another)

PLEASE STICKY THIS, or something similar.

There has been a rash of non-shipping sellers (ok, lousy SCAMMERS) on gstwins lately. Some parts show up, not as promised, or if at all. Some sellers are just plain lazy, lying, or even thieving schmucks.

I enjoy the atmosphere of gstwins daily, and would like to see that it's members continue to enjoy the trading/buying/selling that is comfortable here.

On other forums, members are required to have at least 30 (and in some cases 100) relevant posts, 30 days membership, and at least 1 or 2 people to vouch for them that are well known before being allowed to post sales.

I'd like to see a similar policy used here, in our fantastic forum. I don't want gstwins getting a bad name, or it's users labeled as suckers either. We trust each other (well, ok, a little ;)   ) and enjoy the company, advice, expertise, and of course very cheap parts.

Please vote in the poll, and please, include only your thoughts ON TOPIC about implementing this.

Thanks !

- Kyle

I agree. Lets start an escrow type service.
Cool.
Buddha.

yeah i agree with u

although i haven't met any Scammers on this board so far

i like the idea ur bringing up  :thumb:

I wasn't aware of any bad transactions other than those with pizza, of course I haven't been around the for the past week either. How many have there been?

never met a bad seller or buyer on here (touch wood)  but i do like the idea too !

And how to new members plan to get vouched for if no one will deal with them since no one has vouched?  Makes no sense.

i have never had a problem either, for the most part I have only made purcases from long time members. I would not buy from some newb anyway  :icon_mrgreen: But I think 30 days 30 posts is a good start. However I dont see anyway to enforce it other than if you are making a purchase BEWARE! and dont buy from newbs  :thumb:

Skidmax - there has to be someone neutral that will take the $ (I vote for peetey pablo) and the seller will ship the item, once the buyer gets it and its as described, peetey pablo will give the $$ to the seller. Its better than paypal, they do have some escrow type, but you can draw and run away with paypal. In this case they cant. So new sellers get more reputation and they can say, yea see I sold a bunch of crap and no one complained, so I must be good.
Cool.
Buddha.

I have had several, in fact there is 2 clowns that have still stiffed me. There used to be 4-5, but one by one I found them and collected (or they found me and paid ...)
I also tend to not buy from newbies, though I have met dealt with some pretty good newb's  ... in fact I bought ~300 bucks from a pretty new newbie, but he came through pretty well. Typically I run into them loooong before I buy from them cos of the carb or the handle bar or the case guards or the flange business I did.
Cool.
Buddha.

why not make it 6 months and 100 posts and also have a trader feedback?

Quote from: erbilabuc on June 25, 2008, 09:08:30 AM
why not make it 6 months and 100 posts and also have a trader feedback?

There is a trader feedback, and many will buy their GS500 ride, and sell it before 6 months is even up!

Quote from: The Buddha on June 25, 2008, 09:02:38 AM
Skidmax - there has to be someone neutral that will take the $ (I vote for peetey pablo) and the seller will ship the item, once the buyer gets it and its as described, peetey pablo will give the $$ to the seller. Its better than paypal, they do have some escrow type, but you can draw and run away with paypal. In this case they cant. So new sellers get more reputation and they can say, yea see I sold a bunch of crap and no one complained, so I must be good.
Cool.
Buddha.

That's cool. I really don't care who holds the money, so long as 4-5 other members can get to their address in 30 minutes and pummel them with fig newtons. ;)

The whole deal of actually insuring shipping comes up then, which is no big deal at all.

We already have a gstwins (well, kinda) account started by lewismug, a month or so ago when Kerry's valve adjustment kit took a off with some punk kid.

By no means do I mean to undermine anything that is already in place. I just want to know if I buy/sell something, no one gets screwed and damages the reputation of the site.

SS- or whoever, can you merge the two threads I started. That was my chicken  up, sorry. :)

I guess this is just to SELL, right?

Because I know it was a pain to go to KatRiders looking for a shock and not be able to post a WTB without having 100 posts first. And they even have some minimum number of posts to PM another member. I think as a buyer, the rules should be much more mellow because you always have to pay before the goods get shipped anyways.

Just my $0.02!  :thumb:

I think that a restriction would cut down on some of the problems with scammers but I don't think it would help with the majority or the issue.  Lazyness, Forgetfullness and just straight ripping people off would still happen.  Test the waters first, talk to the person selling the item, ask for an image of said item in its current condition as it is to be shipped when you buy it.  If you don't get a good vibe, don't buy whatever it is they are selling.  Also I choose payment methods that aren't as straght forward as cash/check, 'cause if you do get hooked then your just out.

It all boils down to BUYER BEWARE!!!

That being said I think things are good they way they are, the recent addition of trade feedback is enough if used like it is supposed to be.   If a restriction was to be inacted though I wouldn't think negatively about it. 

Quote from: natedawg120 on June 25, 2008, 01:20:49 PM
I think that a restriction would cut down on some of the problems with scammers but I don't think it would help with the majority or the issue.  Lazyness, Forgetfullness and just straight ripping people off would still happen.  Test the waters first, talk to the person selling the item, ask for an image of said item in its current condition as it is to be shipped when you buy it.  If you don't get a good vibe, don't buy whatever it is they are selling.  Also I choose payment methods that aren't as straght forward as cash/check, 'cause if you do get hooked then your just out.

It all boils down to BUYER BEWARE!!!

That being said I think things are good they way they are, the recent addition of trade feedback is enough if used like it is supposed to be.   If a restriction was to be inacted though I wouldn't think negatively about it. 

x1,000,000,000,000,000,000

Things are fine.  I have over 50,000 posts on various forums on the net and have bought and sold over $500,000 of items on forums and eBay.  Im seen scams happen and people get taken.  You gotta feel out whats going on, ask for references if you like, talk on the phone, weigh your options, etc etc.

I am a little leary of a new persons 1st post being a for sale post.I watch their post count and posts to see if they are actually interested in the GS.That usually signifies that they are a participating member and not a scammer.How ever some take the time to work the board.I recently had 2 pm's about wanting help or selling parts.They had 0 post count.I pm'd questions but received no response.So I just deleted the PM's.I should have brought it to a mod but wasn't thinking right.  :icon_rolleyes:

I replied on the other thread that is a spin off of this one.

Any way,I wouldn't buy from a low to no post count member.If they're not interested enough to ask questions and help when they can,I don't think they should recieve another members hard earned $$$.

OK my thread welding helmet is comming on ... and here I mash the 2 trains together ...
Cool.
Buddha.

Did both threads just get combined into 1?It looks like people(me) is double posting.  :dunno_white:  :cookoo:

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I love being right. All drama (for your mama) and no action. 1 week has passed and this thread has gone nowhere.  BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHA :bs:

escrow, OR somehow have alternative payment methods, like money orders as well. ie something you can put a stop payment on if need be

I understand the topic of this thread very well.I use paypal to help protect me and so far I haven't been let down.I only make cash payments in person and I only send money orders to people I know or trust.There's only a few people gotten taken for money here.It's a risk,buyer beware.Know your seller.

Ive only done Deals with 2 members of the Board ,Dgyver , and ScottPA ,. Both fast , easy Transactions, from Long time board members ,  i felt safe because they spend alot of time on here, The fact i live in the Uk Is even more shocking they had to deal with overseas Shipping

i could put names of loads of ppl i trust on here , because they are good people , from speaking to them ,

I say trust a face u see alot ,

I'm with the "things are fine the way they are" crowd, buyer beware, look up the guy yourself, talk to him, blah blah.  :cheers:

I like the idea i have ben ripped off many times in the past and that would make me more comfortable with buying.

i like the 30days & 30 posts. i have been on here for 2 years & don't post much. mostly lurk & read. i have bought some stuff. (carb tweaking from the buddha, ignition advance, rear rotor, a box of misc. bits, cdi, & the last carbon fiber hugger :flipoff: :laugh:. sold some stuff too, my old v&h (sikdmax), the cdi that i apparently did not need,  some other stuff that i can't remember right now. all of this with a pretty low post count (i hate typing). i think paypal offers a level of protection that does not hinder the newbie nature of our beloved bike. i hate to put too many restrictions, but we till need some sort of filter. ithe 30 post minimum sounds good, most scammers are too lazy to put in the effort. i think common sense & paypal works for me.

This is completely un necessary. People just need to start using the feedback system. I've been stiffed twice on trying to buy a motor here. One guy still has the nerve to post after ditching everyone he owed parts too, and moved to canada.

Even though I am a new member here, I have been posting for years on other forums and have delt with many online transactions. It is never a bad idea to be careful dealing with someone with a low post count but I have seen long time members be just as shady as the guy with 3 posts. I have to agree with the "use common sense" rule. Paypal is a great tool to keep both parties safe...so use it!! Get on the phone with the person too and feel them out before sending them a wad of cash. I believe in what goes around comes around...be honest when buying and selling and ship the item ASAP. You would want the same in return. Just my 2 cents.

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Exactly

The member that stiffed me has over 2000 posts.

Just like ebay, the feedback system needs to be used more consistently, I think the problem is that people just don't know about it, or don't take the time too.

People research the hell out of a problem through the threads of the board, and I'm sure would research a person too, if there was enough feedback information.

I'm really down on a minimum count or time, and especially making someone into an escrow. Just be real people, and leave feedback.

how about a relevant answer to the question such as,
"Its not unnecessary, people need to be responsible in researching who they are buying from, by utilizing the feedback system that is already in place on the website"

Quote from: PatrickInNC on August 19, 2008, 09:25:30 AM

Just like ebay, the feedback system needs to be used more consistently, I think the problem is that people just don't know about it, or don't take the time too.

Just be real people, and leave feedback.

Hmmm,  I bought a rear wheel from you and left you good feedback. I don't see any left for me. So which is it, you don't know about it or you didn't take the time?


Really, I think where a lot of people get into trouble is when a deal seems to be to good to be true, it usually is. Use your head, if a lot of money is at stake, talk to the person on the phone. Many times something will seem fishy or you'll just get a vibe that tells you to move on.

Feedback ... I never have left any one any feedback ... Dealt with 100's of people literally some of them more than 1 time on more than 1 part (ofcourse with seamax its been 3 times on the same part ... carbs, but 3 different carbs though ...  :thumb:) ...
Some people have left me feedback at random ... but one guy left me bad feedback cos he found a better deal on a ninja 250 and what not ... long story ... anyway, the first feedback I got was bad. Feedback needs to be tied to each forsale posting like ebay ... else its going to be waaaay off ... Even ebay is off at times.
Cool.
Buddha.

Is this why my fairings aren't sold yet!? I didn't find the website until I decided I wanted to do the conversion but I can understand the skepticism of some people not wanting to deal with a new guy. I think the 30 days 30 posts is a good idea tho... just not until after I have sold my stuff, if it sells.

hello i am knew to this forum but if people got to ripe off other people for money they should not even be on the web site because the way things are now a days people are suppose to be honest period. thanks craftierod

Quote from: PatrickInNC on August 12, 2008, 11:25:21 AM
This is completely un necessary. People just need to start using the feedback system. I've been stiffed twice on trying to buy a motor here. One guy still has the nerve to post after ditching everyone he owed parts too, and moved to canada.

start using the feedbaclk  system with additions. each fedbaclk has to be tied to a particu;lar sale. right now i can leave you a feedbacl for , anyhtign. so rihgt now its not too accurate

I voted for 30 days, relevant posts.  I'm here only since last summer, and I have no friends here, not yet at least, and I posted something for sale or trade.  I'm not a scamming squid with a crack habit.  I described the item accurately and when I tell someone I'm going to do something, I DO IT!!

my feeling is you buy on the internet at your own risk. I really dont think you should limit the opportunity that some of these people parting bikes and come on the forums just for that purpose are here for.

heck I have bought parts from guys here that only posted a couple of times. I have been burned on ebay before and you see what all those hoops gets you,, still burned.

I feel the risk should still be left up to the buyer. make sure to follow basic business rules and get someones number and call them or so on and so forth. 


The rating system is very good although I dont know how many people use it. I use it and im sure maybe only a hand full of others do . but it is the best Idea !

Quote from: Susuki_Jah on February 09, 2009, 09:26:35 PM
my feeling is you buy on the internet at your own risk. I really dont think you should limit the opportunity that some of these people parting bikes and come on the forums just for that purpose are here for.

heck I have bought parts from guys here that only posted a couple of times. I have been burned on ebay before and you see what all those hoops gets you,, still burned.

I feel the risk should still be left up to the buyer. make sure to follow basic business rules and get someones number and call them or so on and so forth. 


The rating system is very good although I dont know how many people use it. I use it and im sure maybe only a hand full of others do . but it is the best Idea !

well, yes, the risk is entirely on the buyer- that's the point for asking of opinions/solutions in this thread. as far as phone numbers, it's easy enough for a fraudulent seller to change numbers or just not answer your calls after they are paid. i've seen that happen also.

ya, the rating system is decent, and you can see real experiences with the members that use it. more use = more stability and trust.

generally, lower post count on forums (not just gstwins) and advertising things for sale is an indicator of trying to make a quick buck. craigslist and ebay work well for that for the seller. craigslist is BUYER oriented, because it's a face-to-face sale. hands on merchandise, and easy enough to prosecute / sue someone if a product isn't as advertised. this is why i love craigslist and the rating system on gstwins.

the thread isn't perfect, nor are all the suggestions. it also serves as a warning to folks that just expect everyone on gstwins to be helpfull and honest. sure, it's an AWESOME forum, sure, there is fast, correct and nicely worded advice... everyone needs a little caution when buying/selling though.

:) thanks for the input, each post counts to keeping the sales legit !

when buying on here, if the seller has low feedback, I always try to get them on the phone, along with full name.  most times, I get that from their phone number though.  and whenever I buy or sell something, I always ask the other party to leave me feedback as I have for them.  but sometimes it takes me a few months to get around to reminding them

We can all make excuses about why things don't get shipped, item as described ,etc,etc. but it all comes down to ethics and morals. Most of us in this very un-trusting world try to take precautions but some still get stiffed....which also includes the sellers. A friend of mine sold a gixxer a few years back and was given a bonafide cashiers check(local) only to find out a few days later it was a genuine check but it was bogus since the persons girlfriend worked at a bank and processed (wrote) the check herself. He got screwed,never got the bike back and was out 7,000........ I agree its a big risk here on the net so use your senses. If it seems too good to be true pass on it! Talking to the person always doesnt help. It may give you piece of mind at that time but the good scammers can sell ice to an eskimo.

what is the seller's system? where do you find it? how do you use it?

New to the forum I have some parts I am interested in selling and I am worried about getting burned what is the best way to avoid this?  The buyer explained to take pics of the parts while holding a piece of paper with his email sounds good he saih he would send me a money order that includes shipping costs.  Sounds good to me but just thought I would see if other people have had luck doing it this way.  Thanks

I think it is a good idea. However, you could also use a sellers ebay rating (if they sell there).

Another thing I'd like to see is a list of good parts suppliers. Through various postings, I have found references to suppliers (like Twisted Throttle) that has some pretty neat stuff that I never would have thought of looking for. So besides bad sellers, lets get a list of good suppliers and a line card for them.

I'll start with high praise for my rear hugger from Custom-Airbrush user AirBrush). Excellent product and fast shipping.
Twisted Throttle called back and shipped same day.
The Mount Guys shipped same day (GPS, camera and other mounts)

I'm not to big on forums, whats a relevant post anyways?  Does this one count?  GStwins is a great site, I've had mine two years-just bought my first part off GStwins forum today.  I don't understand why 30 posts matters, I don't see it as a real deterant to scammers, seems like a layer of beareaucracy, just red tape. 

I have some parts to sell and was thinking this site makes it pretty easy.  If you had a minnimum post count my parts may never get posted.  I'm not sure who that effects.                       

I've had good luck here except for the kid from California who I walked through an electrical repair and he promised me oatmeal raisin cookies.  The cookies never showed.  Little bastard!

I recently picked up a 2006 GS500F with 1,000 miles that I am parting out.

I'm a new member and I wanted to get permission to start a new thread with a link to my site and ebay store.

I read through the rules and wanted to ask first because I don't want to come off as someone who is trying to rip anyone off. I am setup with UPS and USPS and I ship most things the same day the rest goes out the next.

Quote from: glenm on January 16, 2013, 06:49:48 AM
I recently picked up a 2006 GS500F with 1,000 miles that I am parting out.

I'm a new member and I wanted to get permission to start a new thread with a link to my site and ebay store.

I read through the rules and wanted to ask first because I don't want to come off as someone who is trying to rip anyone off. I am setup with UPS and USPS and I ship most things the same day the rest goes out the next.

I dont have an issue with it but let me give some tips.

Be an active member and check constantly for questions and replies.

Post new pictures of pieces you are selling.

Post sites you can be referenced on.

Provide tracking numbers on items shipped

Be honest in what you are selling and describe it accurately

Also, give your location