the two fat ass's on HD and no helmets blame sport bikers for the rise in accidents. well one of the first things one of those guys said is "its having the power between your legs" first off HD and power are oxymoron's. yes squids are out there crashing but those old fat ass HD or HD wannabees with no lid or 1/2 lid should not be pointing fingers. anyhoo i am done ranting watch and decide for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAzBp6jD3sE
its teh 1% rule 1% of bikers give the rest a bad name. including those on sportbikes who wear no or half a helmet . lol, so i could edit your Buddha Loves You/rant post about HD. hell i rode one, does that make ME fat, and lazy and whatever else? , i dont think so. but anyhoo back on subject teh 1% rule applies to ALL types of riders :thumb: and if you knew anything about hd, it and power are NOT oxymorons. unless youre comparing one to a gixxer, which tehn youd be comparing teh wrong machines to eachother
hrmm there is not a hd out there that can even keep up with a gs. gutless overpriced over weight junk :) if you are such a fan of the HD then go to an HD board and PW there :)
This past weekend we had a HUGE motorcycle rally in town 250,000+ bikes. Over the weekend there had been 5 majior accidents ALL 5 had been cruisers. Not one sport bike.
One I witnessed was a group of 4 harley guys... 3 passed a car on the left in a no passing zone. the last guy waited cause a car was comming... a few yards up the road he went for it, just as the lead car was making a left turn (w/signal on) and took the HD rider out. his bike got mangled but he rolled a few times, got up and started yelling at the cager ??? I stoped, told the car driver to go sit in his car and made the HD rider and his buddies lay face down on the ground till the cops came :laugh: Cops took the (at fault rider with them and let his buddies go :dunno_white:
I saw A TON of stupid antics this weekend, most had been Harley/cruiser riders doing burnouts, passing in no passing zones and just making plain bone headed moves. Most of the sport riders I saw had been well behaved only a few wheelies and rev limmiters here and there.
Harley Davidson... heh... :flipoff:
ya the HD bunch seem to have something to prove ..they spend all that money then realize they are riding a1800cc 900 lb 70 hp piece of crap and getting blown away by a 500cc 350 lb 50hp rice bike :)
comparing to apples and oranges frankie, and f%$k you if i wanted to go to an hd forum i would, ( and have. i know about hd unlike most here) and comparing a cruiser to a sprt biek is really not a fair comparison)
a bit more than 70hp, and can pull a car. too :thumb:
I can respect most of them But, as I mentioned in another thread, most seem to be "on the band wagon" They all have the Harley t-shirts, stickers on their F250 and their wife even gets in on it w/ a harley shirt to sport only when in the right crowd. Most every HD rider I know is a complete TOOL! They only own one cause their buddys at work own em and for no other reason. They have no self identity at all! They eat sleep and breath HD wear harley hats, coats and drink from an HD coffee cup, but yet most wont even ride if there is 10% chance of rain.
We have a parts guy here @ work that just came here from an HD dealer. He has some GREAT stories. One main fact about HD riders... Most cannot afford the bike they bought.. HD will finance ANYONE! and the will find ways to finance you for 20 years if they have to. Their sales have DRASTICLY decresed in the past couple years and is going further down hill FAST! The bikes are all WAY over priced and not worth 1/2 what you pay for em. You can buy a much better Kawi or Suzuki for far less than half of a "bandwagon" HD
That said, I know there are some true HD fans that are great people and truly love their bike. However most just do it to be liked
BUT hd still books far better ) for whatever reason) than anything else. when i sold my sportie, i sold that "overpriced pos as most ehre call it. at a PROFIT, i sold an older bagger to a japanese, ( who imported it back there) at quite a nice profit too. lol i rode in the rain often, and in 30f weather too. cleaning the bike was a pain in the ass lol :mad: :mad: :mad:
honestly, to me, HD are ugly. i did some research their 1584cc have 68 HP :laugh: but the sporters can be modded for only $750 from 55hp to 75 hp :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: frankieG on July 01, 2008, 12:21:39 PM
honestly, to me, HD are ugly. i did some research their 1584cc have 68 HP :laugh: but the sporters can be modded for only $750 from 55hp to 75 hp :laugh: :laugh:
put it can STILL pull a car if need be :thumb:. i guess to each, his/her own :cheers:
ya i am just a HD hater ;)
right off the bat the guy says "its about doing what you want on two wheels".... like crossing the yellow line? did anyone else see that? guy comes around a corner and wanders halfway into the oncoming lane? seriously. :2guns:
we should all go out there and try to bridge the gap. it shouldn't be about sport vs cruiser... its a fraternity of 2 wheeled madness.
same team, Farva! same team!
agreed. HD riders arent the only ones crossing teh double yellows :thumb: ( think of it this way. no matter what you ride its, 2 wheels and an engine :thumb:
The way I see it, its all a matter of personal preference. Two completely riding styles between a sportster and a cruiser. To each their own...
As far as HD, I don't personally like them. I think they sound ugly and are too big. But HD riders probably think the same of sports bike.
As much as some people buy HD's as a status symbol, I'd suggest some sports bike riders do the same.
At the end of the day, we're all out to enjoy the road...can't we just be friends!?!?!? :cheers: :icon_lol:
For all the talk in the story (and other ones I've seen) about the increase in the number of motorcycle deaths/injuries, they almost always mention the total number. Not the rate, which is what matters a lot more.
From that story, they say deaths went up 39% from 2002 to 2006, and injuries up 35%. As a rough guide to the number of riders, using their numbers of 248,000 to 338,000 registered bikes. Which is a.... 36% increase. So deaths have been going up slightly faster than the number of bikes (probably because of inexperienced riders in their first couple of years). But it's hardly a crisis.
i agree but in america fear sells so that is what they report
well, we have more drivers/riders on the road today than we did a few years ago. it's just asinine to think we can increase the number of riders/drivers and not have an increase in accidents as well. :cookoo:
nothing really against harleys but the attitude. I just don't like the head straight ahead look when you throw out a wave :flipoff: I just can't get over the whole attitude and mentality that goes with the cruiser crowd. I just had a guy today with a green light blow by me 3 cars back at a stoplight. It had turned green and he was still trying to split. I typically don't mind it, but when cars are moving and just starting from a green, you don't go 25 mph between slow moving cars. He got all of 3 cars in front of me and we pulled into the same gas station later up the road. All that pissing people off, weaving in and out in traffic, and he has a dozen cars ready to tailgate him while we end up in the same spot.
I have rode my dads cruiser a few time and making quick manovers are alot harder than on my GS disc brake sin fron a drum in rear brakes are a bit slow when doing an E stop. That may be why they crash more often that Sport bike, are bike are ment for quick manovers HD,Cruisers ect... arnt
Ahh the old motorcyclist wave, what a bunch of hokey BS, I dont wave at all, they only wave because they think its the cool thing to do. 90% of the humps out there wouldnt stop if you needed assistance anyway, I am a very courteous and socialable guy but the wave is wayyy lame. If you do it more power to you and have fun with it.
Quote from: mojonixon on July 01, 2008, 03:40:07 PM
Ahh the old motorcyclist wave, what a bunch of hokey BS, I dont wave at all, they only wave because they think its the cool thing to do. 90% of the humps out there wouldnt stop if you needed assistance anyway, I am a very courteous and socialable guy but the wave is wayyy lame. If you do it more power to you and have fun with it.
Yeah, and its because of people with the attitude that you have that nobody gets help on the road. Be a little more courteous, wave a little more, say hi to people and you'll get a little more help when you need it. Attitude goes a long way man. Jeeps have the same little nitch like bikes and harleys and I'll say that there's a tight little group within them that helps out when you need it. I don't think I've ever been in trouble in the jeep that a fellow jeeper didn't come bail me out. Again, its all in your attitude, not because some "humps" out there that won't help you.
Quote from: frankieG on July 01, 2008, 12:06:11 PM
..they spend all that money then realize they are riding a1800cc 900 lb 70 hp piece of crap and getting blown away by a 500cc 350 lb 50hp rice bike :)
Rice bike? Excuse the ignorance, but what's that?
Who pissed in your wheaties Mojo? :laugh:
shouldn't matter what you drive, Good Samaritan-ship knows no bounds. if you see someone in need of help you should at least stop and ask if they need help. even if all you can offer is a phone call. :thumb:
Hell I stop all the time when I see a broken down rider, I keep a set of straps in the truck. Ford's make excellent Harley haulers :thumb:
I have stopped for 3 riders on HD's so far this year and one guy didn't have anyone to help him so we loaded it and I gave him a ride across town to his place.
Funny I haven't had to stop for any broken down sport bikes yet.
As for you mojo that's just bad kharma dude what comes around goes around, I ran out of gas on interstate 49 2 miles north of Alexandria LA. a little butterball of a lady with 3 kids in the car stopped and gave a total stranger a ride into town and then back to his bike with gas and wouldn't take a dime of my money for her troubles. You'll reap what you sow.
Most of the HD guys around here will give you a wave in return, even the motorcycle cops. It don't matter what you ride were all brothers on 2 wheels, thats a lesson the rest of the world could use. I'd even stop and pick up a bleeding heart like Frankie :thumb:
Now Frankie apologize to Yama that was uncalled for. :cheers:
ohh bp im not worried at all. what gets me is the un-informed hd bashing that goes aroundf. aka oil leaks etc. hell i get more hd riders to wave/offer assistance, than euro/jap bike riders. and peopel tell me hd riders are ignorant fucks :dunno_white:. and ive run into that wherever ive went
Quote from: yooblonder on July 01, 2008, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: frankieG on July 01, 2008, 12:06:11 PM
..they spend all that money then realize they are riding a1800cc 900 lb 70 hp piece of crap and getting blown away by a 500cc 350 lb 50hp rice bike :)
Rice bike? Excuse the ignorance, but what's that?
Perhaps not PC, but Japanese made motorcycles (and cars for that matter) are often called ricers or rice burners.
From day 1, I've appreciated the wave. I found it refreshing to see that I was instantly a part of a brotherhood that makes the most of every opportunity to be on the road, get some fresh air, and twist away the days concerns with your right hand. I will say, most snubbings come from HD guys, but it'll never stop me from waving at the next one. :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: theUBS on July 01, 2008, 10:50:33 PM
Quote from: yooblonder on July 01, 2008, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: frankieG on July 01, 2008, 12:06:11 PM
..they spend all that money then realize they are riding a1800cc 900 lb 70 hp piece of crap and getting blown away by a 500cc 350 lb 50hp rice bike :)
Rice bike? Excuse the ignorance, but what's that?
Perhaps not PC, but Japanese made motorcycles (and cars for that matter) are often called ricers or rice burners.
Thanks 'theUBS', got the connection now. :oops: D'oh!
Quote from: theUBS on July 01, 2008, 11:02:28 PM
From day 1, I've appreciated the wave. I found it refreshing to see that I was instantly a part of a brotherhood that makes the most of every opportunity to be on the road, get some fresh air, and twist away the days concerns with your right hand. I will say, most snubbings come from HD guys, but it'll never stop me from waving at the next one. :icon_mrgreen:
Totally agree. Although when others don't wave, I usually put it down to the cold Scottish air having frozen both hands to the bars, so a head-butt-style nod in my direction usually follows. (yes, that was a joke: its usually not that cold... honest.)
At other times, I've felt guilty for not being able to wave or nod due to manoeuvring, but I'm sure folk understand.
well like you said a nod works too :cheers:
Well YAMA you see I happen to agree with frankie about most of his opinion of HD they are heavy over weight underpowered and in general at least around here ridden by tools with no business on a bike they are either professionals prentending to be something they aren't or blue collar working guys who gut suckered in by the whole american image thing and can't really afford the over priced POS the salesman told them would make them cool. HD would have been extinct except that they cried so much the guberment raised import tarrifs on the Japanese motorcycles above 500cc back int he late 80's and early 90's in an effoert to rise the price point of the Japanese Cruisers close to that of HD,Honda was kicking their ass when they got into the cruiser market in the 80's and 90's they were building a better product at a lower price and harley sales were dying on the vine they almost went under. The fallout of the unfair increase of import tarrifs on foreign motorcycles was that we to this day do not get models and colors in North America that are available in europe.
Now the big displacement twins make more tourque than a inline this is true but a fellow showed up at a dyno night bragging about his modded 124ci s&s motor, when my stock 58ci engine slapped out another 27hp above his 110 hp the bragging was over with.
I ride quite a bit with an older guy who rides a HD. He has two. He and I ride almost every weekend. My bike cannot keep up with him on the interstate, so I'm not sure where you get that a HD can't keep up with the GS. As far as guys on HD's acting snobbish towards sportsbike owners, I beg to differ. I drive 200 miles a day on the interstate and meet plenty of other bikes. 90% of them are cruisers, and 99% of them wave at me. I have had many more cruiser guys come up to me at gas stations and talk just because I was on a motorcycle. It didn't matter that it was a sportsbike. It just mattered that it's two wheels. The sportsbike guys I see at gas stations act like they're too good to talk to me. Like they have to prove they're a bad ass and can wheelie for a mile @ 150 mph. I think the whole sportsbike vs cruiser controversy is unfounded. It's all a lie. I'm not a HD fan, but I don't hate them either. I would just as soon ride with a group of cruisers as I would a group of GS's. It's all in your attitude. If you think HD riders are assholes, then to you, they will be. I've never had a problem with any of them. Cruiser guys/girls are way nicer than any sportsbike riders I've met. Maybe it's just a Mississippi thing. Maybe southern. I dunno.
You're meeting the wrong people lewis come on up to Tulsa :thumb:
If you come rolling in without gear expect to be shunned though, a large majority of us who meet and ride through a local forum are pretty big gear snobs.
Most of the people I see on sportbikes around here have no gear at all. most are in shorts, t-shirt, helmet, and tennis shoes. Hell, I saw an older man yesterday on my way home wearing cut off blue jean shorts and sandals. No shirt, barely a helmet. He was just cruising down the interstate. I saw a guy on a ninja at Wal-Mart wearing an unbuttoned Hawaiian shirt, shorts, and flip-flops. People are stoopid.
Quote from: lewismug on July 02, 2008, 11:05:40 AM
Most of the people I see on sportbikes around here have no gear at all. most are in shorts, t-shirt, helmet, and tennis shoes. Hell, I saw an older man yesterday on my way home wearing cut off blue jean shorts and sandals. No shirt, barely a helmet. He was just cruising down the interstate. I saw a guy on a ninja at Wal-Mart wearing an unbuttoned Hawaiian shirt, shorts, and flip-flops. People are stoopid.
I agree, people are stoooopid
Quote from: bettingpython on July 02, 2008, 09:50:18 AM
You're meeting the wrong people lewis come on up to Tulsa :thumb:
If you come rolling in without gear expect to be shunned though, a large majority of us who meet and ride through a local forum are pretty big gear snobs.
by wrong people do you mean, riders who are courteous? :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: skynxnex on July 01, 2008, 01:14:26 PM
From that story, they say deaths went up 39% from 2002 to 2006, and injuries up 35%. As a rough guide to the number of riders, using their numbers of 248,000 to 338,000 registered bikes. Which is a.... 36% increase. So deaths have been going up slightly faster than the number of bikes (probably because of inexperienced riders in their first couple of years). But it's hardly a crisis.
I was waiting for someone to point that out. Not only is it hardly a crisis, it's a damn statistical wash. What's the real problem? Riders who don't wear helmets. (http://www.neurosurgery.pitt.edu/news/2008/head_injuries.html) Like those jagoffs saying it's the "other people on the road...mostly crotch rockets" that are the problem. Idiots.
I get plenty of waves from everybody. I have only seen a couple of riders who didn't. I didn't really think much of it though. I could probably say with confidence that they were HD riders because they seem to be the majority around here. I had an incident recently with a couple of non curteous riders. But this will not stop me from helping out a fellow rider regardless of what they ride.
i must say that HD riders are not all bad people
Quote from: asobi on July 07, 2008, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: skynxnex on July 01, 2008, 01:14:26 PM
From that story, they say deaths went up 39% from 2002 to 2006, and injuries up 35%. As a rough guide to the number of riders, using their numbers of 248,000 to 338,000 registered bikes. Which is a.... 36% increase. So deaths have been going up slightly faster than the number of bikes (probably because of inexperienced riders in their first couple of years). But it's hardly a crisis.
I was waiting for someone to point that out. Not only is it hardly a crisis, it's a damn statistical wash. What's the real problem? Riders who don't wear helmets. (http://www.neurosurgery.pitt.edu/news/2008/head_injuries.html) Like those jagoffs saying it's the "other people on the road...mostly crotch rockets" that are the problem. Idiots.
there are problem riders on all bikes, even gs500's lol
the wave is the cool thing to do :thumb: not everyone owns a bike, (cruiser or sport) so those of us who do are in a group by ourselves
but don't worry about the wave soon as gas prices drive everyone to bikes the cool wave will be lost to the fact that bikes are no longer a recreation or fun thing to do it will just be a way around , like cars have become.
when cars came out and weren't everywhere the people who owned cars did the cool the and waved because it was cool and not everyone had a car but now guess what everyone has a car and no one waves anymore .
so wave while you can and be cool O0 when you do it cause it won't last forever and as for me and my wife when we pass a bike we will wave as cool as we can . :thumb:
p.s. don't worry if you can't bring yourself to wave maybe your just not cool enough yet :cheers:
generally speaking i will even wave at skoots if they have gear on. if i come by some dork with no jacket, just a tee and shorts i just shake my head.
Quote from: frankieG on July 08, 2008, 08:47:57 AM
generally speaking i will even wave at skoots if they have gear on.
...now that's love. :cry: :laugh: :laugh:
I wave at em even if they don't have gear on, that way they feel self concious.
hey i try and be a nice guy