bush has not only ruined his own reputation, he has ruined it of his family his party and the nation. now we have a chance to get it all back. we leave the worse president this republic has ever seen for one who has the ability to be one of the best. my faith in america is restored :)
whoopty doo.
sounds like sour grapes lol. i am watching fox news squirm...they just don't know what to do with themselves.
f%$k this i am out of here. ifel my tension rising which with my health the way it is. is not good. and nyah nyah crap aint helpin. i will be back when the political crap stops take care
i stayed relatively quiet over the last few months whilst the right winger nutters have had it on this board. brrrrrrrrt time is up....we won.
I'd like to see some results ... or atleast some of the right thinking ... I'd rather see some pain with a good idea behind it ... instead of pain avoidance and more fluff ...
If this was a handshake, visualise me giving a little finger ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Not a land-slide by any means. Look up the Presidential Races of 1980 and 1984. Then you'll see what a land-slide is.
yep, Obama won by 5 points. Solid but not a landslide.
I don't agree with his Ideology, but I do wish him the best.
Otherwise, we all lose.
Besafe
I think this calls for a "Don't count your Chickens before the Eggs Hatch." That change Osama Obama has talked about may be a Change none of us want to see.
A land slide is considered to be 10% or greater, I asked the Polysci expert at work . - JIm :)
No comment on what your electorate did, I am not entitled to an opinion on that but i have to say that the reaction of Fox news is hilarious, give them a day or two and they will launch the next campaign!
Good luck to the guy, as a foreigner we tend to judge US presidents by foreign policy and it does not change a great deal with change of presidents (usually)
Some of the less mature democracys like Eastern Europe and other places like the Middle East and Africa seem to have had a huge rise in expectation which is probably not going to be met which could get interesting, also Russia is flexing it's muscle again with announcements on your election day about not standing down three missile regiments that were planned and increasing short range weopons on it's Western borders as a direct threat to countries like Poland, Czech republic and the Baltic states in particular. Russia's relationship with Ukrain is deteriorating and the Ukrain is a nuclear power which will probably keep them safe from invasion but not from ethnic insurgency. All of this increasing tension with the west's new freinds is going to present a headache to a new administration that would probably much rather concentrate on domestic matters.
Landslide or not, the new administration will need some luck, perhaps someone will capture Osama, perhaps not.
Quote from: frankieG on November 05, 2008, 04:22:38 AM
i stayed relatively quiet over the last few months whilst the 1) right winger nutters have had it on this board. brrrrrrrrt time is up....2) we won.
1) the way people classify themselves into left/right dem/repub splits the country frankie. united we stand, divided we fall (or is it FAIL now?). our own political process of choosing a vs b group to vote on divides us, and fails us. calling yourself a dem or repub and immediately siding with like-grouped people is a real shame. those people, you / whoever elected are just offices that are being renovated. you'll never shake their hand (for more than 1.2 nano seconds), never bend their ear, and never directly contact them in any way.
2) you didn't win. at each election, you loose. THEY WIN. why do i say this ? a few reasons:
you get -nothing- different for between 3 1/2 to 10 years as thats how long change takes, if the fat schmucks ever do anything anyway.
they get:
lifetime healthcare, lifetime pension, lifetime security details, lifetime travel, lifetime expense accounts, and worst of all, a LIFETIME of living, breathing people that will bow down to them, more aside for them, and offer up the best of a region to be raped, plundered, wasted, and tossed away.
they win frankie, we all just get to foot the bill. ;)
side note - isn't this the first president in 40 years or so with no military experience ? so, he's comanding troops, without ever worn boots ? wow.
:)
i am not sure if it is because i am a politician myself or what but i think i am more optimistic in elections and what different politicians can do for us. i call it a win for me because i supported obama, volunteered for a short time at cambridge and i voted for him. i actually got a spot on his web site as a supporter. I'll have to find the link. so our new president won more than twice as many electoral college votes as mccain
Quote from: ohgood on November 06, 2008, 05:09:00 AM
side note - isn't this the first president in 40 years or so with no military experience ? so, he's comanding troops, without ever worn boots ? wow.
Bush had some Air National Guard service on paper (but has been unable to produce eyewitnesses who ever actually saw him report for duty for the last couple of years).
Clinton had no military experience (same as duck Cheney).
GHW Bush was a Naval aviator.
Reagan was in the Army.
Carter was in the Navy.
Ford was in the Navy.
So the last couple of presidents had little or no military experience. You can draw your own conclusions about whether it mattered.
I'm just glad we have someone other than a Clinton or Bush in office. It has been since 1980 that we have not had one or the other in the Presidency or Vice-Presidency. That's long enough for two families to have that much say in running the country, I think.
Just to put things in perspective. Electoral votes don't correlate to how many votes the candidates actually received in the general election. A candidate can still be president even if more people voted of the other guy. This happened three times in presidential races. So even if a candidate gets 100% of the electoral votes doesn't necessarily mean a landslide in the general election.
Porkchop
That's because citizens don't vote for President, States do. Each of us votes for how we want our state to vote, then all the states vote.
Like Porkchop said, it's happened a few times that the popular vote of the nation has been different than the electoral vote of the nation. But, very rarely does the popular vote of a state differ from the electoral vote of a state.
this is the reason the electorial college needs trashed, out the window. go strictly with popular vote. THEN your individual vote will mean more. :thumb:
There has been some talk about introducing legislation to get rid of the electoral college. I think that would be a good thing. Then again some think a contest of skill, strength, and knowledge would be more expedient and more entertaining. It sure would cost less.
i could feel that. chess-boxing for the presidency perhaps? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (and yes, it is a sport, google it.) :icon_mrgreen:
Holy crap! I just googled chess boxing. It's real!!!!! :o
While I hate the idea of the Electoral College, I've been shocked to find out the people that have supported it throughout the years (JFK? I'm too lazy to find a source on this).
The people of Florida, Texas, and California should hate the Electoral College the most. Because of this system, the citizens of those three states count the least for the winning president. While each citizen in Wyoming, D.C. and Vermont count for the most. (Check it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population and sort by Pop. per
electoral vote)
The "lacking technology" answer is true, but not the whole truth. Yes, it's true that each regional government chose a representative for the presidential election to prevent people voting for a candidate that wasn't in-line with their own beliefs. Imagine how easy it would be to misinform the voting citizens of a small town that had no TV, Radio, Telegraph, or News Papers. Any candidate could show up, lie his ass off and move on.
But, there's more to it. The way our government was designed, the office of President is not supposed to have the power it does, nor should the Federal Government. Neither the Feds nor any Federal office should have any power or influence on a single citizen or their day-to-day lives. Things like marriage, land ownership, speed limits, drinking age, and other non-inalienable rights are solely up to the state, county, and city governments. But today the Feds have their fingers in everything. They convince state governments to change their laws without the input of their citizens by threatening the state to withdraw Federal Funding. (OK... Enough of this constitutional rambling).
SO! The President was supposed to be the "Governor of all States," not the "Governor of each Citizen." This is why each STATE votes, rather than each citizen.
Personally, I'd rather have the job of the President return to what it should be: A Check and/or a Balance of the lawmakers (House and Senate), NOT a lawmaker itself. If the President was what it was intended to be, then the electoral collage would be loved by most.
I'll be burying my guns, ammunition, and a laminated copy of the constitution in my backyard after work today.
You still have the Constitution? I thought is was long gone. :cry: Nobody seems to be familiar with it anyway. :icon_confused:
Quote from: A Non eMouse on November 06, 2008, 04:04:23 PM
You still have the Constitution? I thought is was long gone. :cry: Nobody seems to be familiar with it anyway. :icon_confused:
Heh not for many years. ive got "places " one can put firearms, that no one knows about and cannot find. if itcomes to that. ive just bought 30 high cap magazines for glocks, as an investment. worst case scenario. obama does not do what clinton did, and i break even, or a slight profit. howqever if he does what clinton did, those clips go upwards of 400% :thumb:
some of you guys are just speaking and acting nutty. it worries me cuz it is usually these right wing nuts that assassinate democrat and progressive president. why "hide" weapons? besides any "great hiding places" you genius' think you know of has already been done before and are known to authorities. if anyone has destroyed our constitution it has been republicans, the right and bush/cheney. in stead of worrying about the electoral college i would be more worried about republican reps who are criminally convicted running and winning office. why? because the governor can appoint a new rep. where is the democracy in that? no where that's where. if a seat is vacant a bye election should be called. so up in Alaska they re-elected a criminal who is going to jail and whats her name is going to either put herself as rep or another republican.
Technically, of the four presidents that were assassinated, three were Republicans. Garfield was shot by another Republican, Lincoln was shot by a confederate sympathizer, and McKinley was shot by an Anarchist. The lone Democratic president was officially assassinated by a communist.
1. Please think of assassinated Presidents as American Presidents, not Republicans and Democrats.
2. The Bush administration hasn't exactly been great for the constitution. See The Patriot Act and American citizens held on American soil without charge during the War on Terror for more information.
3. Obama isn't taking anyone's guns. If he does, he will lose the South and hence the 2012 election, and he knows it.
4. If you guys want nutty, read the quote from the Texas Longorn's lineman that got him kicked off the team.
what quote?
Quote from: frankieG on November 07, 2008, 03:00:39 AM
some of you guys are just speaking and acting nutty. it worries me cuz it is usually these right wing nuts that assassinate democrat and progressive president. why "hide" weapons? besides any "great hiding places" you genius' think you know of has already been done before and are known to authorities. if anyone has destroyed our constitution it has been republicans, the right and bush/cheney. in stead of worrying about the electoral college i would be more worried about republican reps who are criminally convicted running and winning office. why? because the governor can appoint a new rep. where is the democracy in that? no where that's where. if a seat is vacant a bye election should be called. so up in Alaska they re-elected a criminal who is going to jail and whats her name is going to either put herself as rep or another republican.
progressive, hell frankie changin liberal again, hell hes a liberal, and a socialist. OR a liberal with socialist views. a socialist is an extreme liberal., liberal, progressive SOS DD ( = same old s**t different day)and no franko, im not a republican. nor am i a democrat, nor am i a liberal, i am what one might say a conservative indepentant demican translation. unlike you or others, i look at all regardless of political affiliations or who or what they are/represent. he is now our leader. or will be jan20, and so ill support him for 4 years, ( minimum) as long as no legal challenges come up. but if tehy did, i guarantee you wouldnt say anything about it. i never hear a liberal gripe about mis-doings of a liberal. nor do i hear a conservqative do likewise. weird Eh?. this is why im an independant. i look at all, and criticise all, ( including bush), plus i am open minded, i looked at obamas records, ( what i could drag up anyway, as well as mccains, as well as barr's, as well as a whole slew of others.
Quote from: Juan1 on November 07, 2008, 04:16:46 PM
1. Please think of assassinated Presidents as American Presidents, not Republicans and Democrats.
2. The Bush administration hasn't exactly been great for the constitution. See The Patriot Act and American citizens held on American soil without charge during the War on Terror for more information.
3. Obama isn't taking anyone's guns. If he does, he will lose the South and hence the 2012 election, and he knows it.
4. If you guys want nutty, read the quote from the Texas Longorn's lineman that got him kicked off the team.
what americans, at what location, at what time may i ask, you said it, you can supply the info., if this has been done, id sure as all hell like to know about it :thumb:
I would assume this is a reference to the case of Jose Padilla, the "dirty bomber".
I have faith in Osama sorry Obama, He wont change anything all that talk of change this and change that is all to make you guys vote for him they throw out as much BS as they can within reason and whoever takes the bait is a win for him. No one man can change this country no party (rep/dem) can change this country, BS :bs: This country can change this country but as said before we are torn in two Dems and Reps, how can a two groups with two view ever change something. as far as my president goes he is NOTW I can care less what the US's Face says or does when my president wants to change something he will its all in his plan and we cant change a thing. so put faith in a single human but he has no REAL power, and as far as voting goes we dont make a difference they pick who will be the better spokesman.
Quote from: mach1 on November 09, 2008, 04:57:52 PM
I have faith in Osama sorry Obama, He wont change anything all that talk of change this and change that is all to make you guys vote for him they throw out as much BS as they can within reason and whoever takes the bait is a win for him. No one man can change this country no party (rep/dem) can change this country, BS :bs: This country can change this country but as said before we are torn in two Dems and Reps, how can a two groups with two view ever change something. as far as my president goes he is NOTW I can care less what the US's Face says or does when my president wants to change something he will its all in his plan and we cant change a thing. so put faith in a single human but he has no REAL power, and as far as voting goes we dont make a difference they pick who will be the better spokesman.
wouldnt surprise me. cept now i read he wants to use executive order to basically ban offshore drilling. so hey no problem, well continue to buy from foreign lands, and when it hits 5 or more again, weve got a new person to blame :dunno_white:, and the libs here, dont tell me it WONT happen , cause it will. it has, multiple times, so whats to stop it again?
mach that is so juvenile the so called spelling error. it takes a perfectly good post and turfs it out the window, as well as lessens your credibility as a intelligent person. to think the president of the united states has "no real power" is plain silly at best. american politics 101 can explain how.
G.W. Bush used "Executive Orders" to do whatever he wanted. Pretty much why he got the nickname "King George II." Executive Orders are a bullsh!t way for the President to abuse his power. You should be happy that Obama is talking about repealing existing Executive Orders.
And... WHY are you all fighting about bullsh!t that hasn't happened and probably won't? You're all being distracted from the real problems here. Our economy is in the crapper and our environment is circling the drain. If you'd rather fight than work together, then YOU are the problem. Get over the BS and work together. A house divided can't stand.
et over the BS and work together. A house divided can't stand.
well stated. I have no credibility anyways so whats the difference.
Quote from: A Non eMouse on November 10, 2008, 02:26:38 PM
G.W. Bush used "Executive Orders" to do whatever he wanted. Pretty much why he got the nickname "King George II." Executive Orders are a bullsh!t way for the President to abuse his power. You should be happy that Obama is talking about repealing existing Executive Orders.
And... WHY are you all fighting about bullsh!t that hasn't happened and probably won't? You're all being distracted from the real problems here. Our economy is in the crapper and our environment is circling the drain. If you'd rather fight than work together, then YOU are the problem. Get over the BS and work together. A house divided can't stand.
as long as he doesnt rescind teh exec order regarding offsore drilling that so many liberals dont like :laugh: :laugh: