I'm trying to urge Buddha into making more case guards. Who else wants them? Come on... don't be cheap! Your GS will love you for it!
OK Well ... here is the details - wladziu doesn't know cos I didn't tell him ...
2 point - 60 bucks.
3 point - add 20 more.
Sliders add 20 more.
The sliders and the 3 point will have to bolt to the 2 point, so cant buy just those ... well you can, but it will not have anything to fit to.
These will fit all years of GS 89-09.
And there is no pics. These have not been made in the form I am thinking. Not just me, no one has made them. And I cannot make 1 get pics and then get orders. I have to make ~20. If they dont work, I will send back all the $.
I'd like a 20 set order prepaid before I can get anything on them. However they have the potential to get done quite rapidly once its started.
I have made case guards before - just not this kind. And several dozen satisfied customers ... and atleast one who's not (crash - you still here ) he had it break and I was going to fix it ... but my life didn't let me.
Cool.
Buddha.
Yes!
These will come powdercoated and will include those long mounting bolts.
Right?
Powdercoat - yes.
Thanks for reminding me about bolts but yes I have them.
In fact I have a box with ~50 sitting in my garage right now. Just right for 25 or so.
More can be bought of course ... but I had to buy a 100 set 2-3 years ago and it cost me 1000 bucks + ... if I remember.
So I make a batch of 25 this time, and I will have to do it in lots of 50 after that else I'd be stuck with several 100 worth of bolts.
There were some very very good pics that someone took while installing it ... just wait I'll put up the link.
Cool.
Buddha.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=10522.40
That is the link but the beautiful pics rema1000 put are not showing. These were the old type though ... the new ones will not be like this.
Cool.
Buddha.
Bear in mind, folks, the SW-Motech 3-pointers are $135 (before shipping).
The 2-pointers break just from frame stress (as mine were).
This is a great way to get a great part, at a decent price.
Join the "I bought stuff from Buddha" club!
Will these work on faired F models and would it look incredibly ugly under/next to the fairing? I'm moderately interested but I think I'm just going to go with some generic sliders.
Depends what you think is ugly. Plastic or an unbusted engine.
Quote from: Bluesmudge on November 21, 2008, 04:07:09 PM
Will these work on faired F models and would it look incredibly ugly under/next to the fairing? I'm moderately interested but I think I'm just going to go with some generic sliders.
sliders are over rated. sure, they -might- save your plastics, -might- save your bars, but will definitely bust off when they -need- to save your engine.
case guards are the best route.
Bluesmudge: 04+ yes - 89-09 GS it should work. My old design didn't work on the 04+, but in my defense I made them in 03 :laugh: Ugly ... I'd say yes ... however yea the alternative is just as ugly ... Now there may be people who'd say it dont look ugly ... OK you consider a enduro bike's skid plate ugly ? ... what about front grille peices on SUV's ... if those look good to you, then maybe these aren't ugly.
Ohgood - I wont make sliders that fit to the frame or require holes in the fairing. These sliders will fit on the case guards. They also will be fairly short. Remember they are quite low, so they's scrape if they're long. However sliding off the road into dirt ... is better than catching the road and flipping if you lay it down at speed. I hope they wont break off in light crashes. I'll prolly make them fairly short ... slide is the name of the game.
Either way ... there is about so much you can do and save your motor ... you can exceed any safety feature if you exceed it far enough.
Cool.
Buddha.
Sounds great, Buddha! I stand fully corrected on the matter of F-model fitment!
Man, we gotta see those pictures, to really get a good idea of what these are like! I think the F-model guys are definitely more worried about the aesthetics of these, besides the fitment issue. So, it'd be great to see a picture of that model with your guards on it, if at all possible.
If you've made something that fits both the naked and faired version, that sounds pretty impressive.
Quote from: wladziu on November 23, 2008, 11:40:02 AM
Sounds great, Buddha! I stand fully corrected on the matter of F-model fitment!
Man, we gotta see those pictures, to really get a good idea of what these are like! I think the F-model guys are definitely more worried about the aesthetics of these, besides the fitment issue. So, it'd be great to see a picture of that model with your guards on it, if at all possible.
If you've made something that fits both the naked and faired version, that sounds pretty impressive.
+1
I'm interested and have a 500f.
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I cant make just one. That is the whole problem. It would be great if I could, it'll solve so many problems. 20 or so for prepaid. I can do this on a shoe string, mainly because I dont have a lot of capital output. I dont want to make a bunch and sell them for 2X what I have in them. Why would I be doing it on gstwin ... I'll just go on ebay and sell em then.
The whole I'm interested etc etc is all fine, but I cant make them based on interest. I make them and I cant run after the Intersted ones for the $. I can only make them basically on a "pay and wait" ... and if it doesn't get made, I'll refund. If it doesn't fit, I'll refund ... that's the best I can do.
OK all the interested ones can post here and say interest etc. Then once we have the critical number, pay and I'll start cranking them out. That way you are not out of $ for too long before you get these.
Cool.
Buddha.
lol, fair enough.
Gimme till the end of the week and I'll commit with money :icon_mrgreen:
End of the week ... man, wait till you get a few more interested people before going to that stage.
Anyway, I am working on the bars now, though the 2 are possibly doable side by side.
Cool.
Buddha.
Do you think you could post a drawing or something just so we get a better idea of what they would look like? I'm looking at my faired 2006 and I don't see how its going to work. I also don't get what the sliders would be. You putting a layer of plastic on the outside or what?
So even just a pencil sketch would be fine to get an idea.
+1 on the pencil sketch.
Consider me interested 'cause the price is right.
also, I'm curious; Buddha what is your "day job" 'cause you seem to be on line here, like, always. How many GSes do you have in your possession at any one time? I try to keep track from your posts but sometimes it seems like you must have a barn full of 'em. You're always trading and swapping bits and pieces.
Anyway, good on ya.
:cheers:
Bluesmudge:- I know ... that's why I have had this idea and never made the item. 4+ years ... sorry man, no way to do justice in anything other than metal, and no way to make it in metal and make just 1.
However ... it will work and it will fit and it will really protect ... all I can not say at this point is ... how ugly ... I dunno ... but sooner or later y'all gonna have to take this leap of faith ... It wont quite look any uglier than the usual case guards though. The sliders will be an add on ... you could put it on at a later time as well ... its just to get it to slide instead of catch and trip if you lay down at speed ...
5thave:- Heck I dont even have a running GS I can do anything on really. And I am a working class grunt that works a computer desk job ... AKA monitoring GSTwin is my day job ... :icon_mrgreen: And I swear ... I ave not been on here from a good 4:30 pm through 10:30 pm EST today. Thank the freaking 90 mile 1 way commute.
Cool.
Buddha.
Well, I'm buying one, regardless. Wish I had the capital to fund the whole thing myself, then sell then on my own.
If anyone who's reading this has the old two-point bars, chances are they're busted at the flanges already, like mine were. This guy only spends a short while on these projects, and then moves on to something else. So, if you miss the chance to buy these, and then find out your current bars are busted....
As far as a drawing, I'm pretty sure he's got something like this in mind:
(http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq230/wladziu-cherry/crash.jpg)
Forgive my retarded artistry, but I'm pretty sure that the section pointing toward the top left just slides underneath the factory fairing and bolts onto the usual place. If I'm correct, then the slider he's mentioning can be added at the center point, where the tubing meets. And, if I'm correct, the tubing to the right (that goes to the rear, toward the shifter) bolts to the other piece (not welded), giving scalability. Since it's bolted together at that point, sliders can be added to (probably) one of the bolts that are used, eliminating the need for further holes drilled in the assembly that might weaken it.
There could be a few variations to this design, but the overall effect is pretty apparent. Fitment with the factory fairing doesn't seem to be a problem, as long as the bends are done well and the best tubing size is used. It doesn't look very ugly to me, but to each his own.
Buddha, correct me if I'm wrong. And, will these be from chomoly or schedule 40?
I'm interested in seeing how you will bolt the pieces together. Are you just flattening the end of the tube, or are you making sort of a clamp? You said you've been thinking of this design for 4+ years, so I'm sure you've got something pretty nice in store. Personally, I love the aesthetics of those scalable roll cages like Poison Spider (I believe) offers, with those clamps that they use. I'm hoping that's something you're using. Would look kind of clunky, though, so I really don't care that much.
Another variation (and, again, forgive my "artistry"):
(http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq230/wladziu-cherry/crash2.jpg)
With this one, fairing fitment is an unnecessary worry. I draw like a drunk monkey (I was trying to do it 3D, somehow), but basically he just needs to bend the material correctly around the engine and tranny casing, leaving room for any bending that might occur in a catastrophic cow-to-motorcycle collision.
With good tubing and sufficient triangulation, there are at least 4 different ways these things can be configured. If he's using bracketry instead (and depending on his machinist's weld quality), the sky's the limit.
Since he's the only one offering these things besides large-scale manufacturers, I say we support him in his efforts.
The alternatives: - buy set after set of the cheap two-point versions, and constantly check them for dilapidation.
- buy the higher priced aftermarket three-pointers, which don't fit under fairing
- buy steel toes, and protect the bike with your metacarpals (they're overrated, anyway)
- buy these from Buddha
What would Joe Biden do? :icon_mrgreen:
The previous one will work better cos its better triangulated. You can make it stronger without making it too bulky.
But yea, close enough ... and yes, the point where the piece from the back piece meets the other part, you have the option of a frame slider there.
That piece to the rear is an also option ... You can get it, or get sliders or none of those.
However my design is not somehting we can hammer out with pipe and flat bar. I did that last time ... only works on 89-02. I have thickeners and gussets and braces in mind, many of which have to be hand cut and hand welded, but atleast the big pieces I want to mass produce. It has to be very strong but still be able to get under the fairing. Else ... like what is the use ...
Cool.
Buddha.
I was really hoping you would say "gussets".
They remind me of vaginas.
Are you gonna put your own little design on them, or just save the time?
What you mean my own design ??? :cookoo:
The vaginas are triangle or square - yeow a square one ... or in atleast 1 spot a section of angle section - and no I am yet to see one like this, even in ... ahem ... movies - steel cut into thin slices and welded on. They are used to add strength to a 90 bend, or stiffen a cantilever or provide a base for a bearing point. :thumb:
Some details have to be ironed out after we get started. No sense doing a 1/2 ass job ... 90% of the work is making them ... I dont care about putting in a few extra bits of steel on and making it stiff enough for armageddon. Heck ... I'll put it on the nearest GS that happens to stray too close and then crash it ... just to test how the naughty place's hole up. :icon_twisted:
Atleast 3-4 naughty place's will be in the thing. :icon_twisted:
Anyway ... small details and how ugly it will be have to be worked out ... I am staying with "as ugly as any other case savers" still. The whole project has to get done.
And no I wont be moving on etc etc ... I just have to make it feasible. I have bars I am working on, and these can be done most of the time side by side ... I'd love to get them made, but really I have to have the numbers. 20 is not much at all guys ... but I cant do any less. Lucky for y'all I have bolts left over. BTW some people have already pinged me wanting bolts for frame sliders that you drill into the fairing. Evidently they already have drilled and some or other has happened. If I sell the bolts out, this project is DOA ... or I'd need 50 ... bolts only in boxes of 100 ... wait a sec, lemme check that. But anyway ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Are these bolt on?
Would the appearance look like a "sore thumb"?
Whats the finishing?
If they just screw on, I'd be interested
Frame sliders: how to attach those, bolt on somewhere, or needs mods?
Quote from: vorBH on November 25, 2008, 12:55:52 PM
Are these bolt on?
Would the appearance look like a "sore thumb"?
Whats the finishing?
If they just screw on, I'd be interested
Frame sliders: how to attach those, bolt on somewhere, or needs mods?
Yes, yes and powdercoated black. Or I can do other colors if there is a batch of a few - 3-4 for common colors, and 30,000+ for ghey colors.
Then Yes to screw on ... or more like bolt on.
Sliders - forget that part without cutting fist sized holes in the fairing ... unless you get the case guards which of course will be made to take a slider.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on November 25, 2008, 12:18:02 PM
base for a bearing point.
Yes, exactly. Vaginas.
Your own design, you know, like this:
(http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq230/wladziu-cherry/gusset_13.jpg)
Or this:
(http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq230/wladziu-cherry/madonna-gusset-madness.jpg)
Don't know what that's supposed to mean, probably some ghey fashion reference.
Ok, I'm interested enough but I wouldn't want to buy for a month or two, not enough money right now. I'll hope it takes that long to find 20 interested. In the mean time I'll just not crash my bike ;)
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Quote from: wladziu on November 25, 2008, 03:02:01 PM
Quote from: The Buddha on November 25, 2008, 12:18:02 PM
base for a bearing point.
Yes, exactly. Vaginas.
Your own design, you know, like this:
(http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq230/wladziu-cherry/gusset_13.jpg)
Or this:
(http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq230/wladziu-cherry/madonna-gusset-madness.jpg)
Don't know what that's supposed to mean, probably some ghey fashion reference.
It will have atleast 10-15 naughty place's styled like in the 80's ... definetly ... must have. Think about it ... that is what holds the legs together aint it.
And no you may not ask what is the difference between an 80's naughty place and today's ... if you're not old enough to know that, I sure aint gonna tell you.
Cool.
Buddha.
holy crap this thread took a turn for the bizarre and hilarious...nearly spit my drink :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: The Buddha on November 26, 2008, 10:54:20 AM
Think about it ... that is what holds the legs together aint it.
Exactly! Anatomy 101. Why doesn't everybody know that? Like the keystone in an archway.
I'm not huge on the 80's thing, personally, even though does help to absorb impact. I like the minimalistic sleek versions; I find them slimming. Let's face it, the little paunch on the case isn't very flattering. And, with all the plastic on today's models.... the girl needs as much help as she can get.
Let me talk you into making new dash panels next, Buddha. Don't need those little plastic caps, I've found something that works just as well.
No need to make it too pretty, like shiny aluminum or whatever. Just something that can mill easy.
Wish I had a CNC. I'd be selling those things like hotcakes on here.
I'm interested, but I'm not sure if I will be able to get some extra cash to pay for them before early spring.
Quote from: wladziu on November 27, 2008, 10:05:18 AM
Let me talk you into making new dash panels next, Buddha. Don't need those little plastic caps, I've found something that works just as well.
No need to make it too pretty, like shiny aluminum or whatever. Just something that can mill easy.
Wish I had a CNC. I'd be selling those things like hotcakes on here.
I guess we work on the case guards and when we hit the numbers we need, we go for it.
In the mean time I am working on bars ... watch for pics on it ... comming soon ... prolly tommorow.
Cool.
Buddha.
Just putting it out there, you know.
Bump for the case guards.
bump again
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Bump ...
But you dont want to bump it without case guards ... :icon_mrgreen:
Cool.
Buddha.
i could use some :thumb:
and i just found out that all the smilies work now hahah :woohoo:
:woohoo: but the spell check still don't work :technical:
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I could use some case guards. Who else would be interested? c'mon. Buddha needs some takers.
:icon_neutral:
im in. :cheers: how many more need to sign up?
i would like one but i need to know what it will look like and a price
I would be interested in a set of three pointers.
PJ
Quote from: joshr08 on January 11, 2009, 02:46:26 PM
i would like one but i need to know what it will look like and a price
Price - $60 for 2 and 80 for 3.
Pic - sorry man, have to be made before pics can be got. If they are made, well, they'd all be sent to people who have paid for it so its going to be irrelevant.
I actually sold ~4 of the bolts, so I only have ~18 pairs of bolts now.
Meanwhile bars and some other nic nac's are comming through ... booya.
Cool.
Buddha.
I want in, S.S.
Guys I will do this. When is the Q.
I have 2 GS items I am making (y'all know the bars, other is secret) and 1 savage and one other secret item for an undisclosed bike ... I am on this though, this will be my favorite, cos I have never seen any like it and I am certain it will work.
I want to make em - so bad.
Anyway, since I have 3-4-5 GS'es, I should count me as 5. Oh wait ... GR motor OK I am in for 2 cos 3 of my GS'es will be GR monsters.
Anyway, I will post here and keep y'all updated.
Cool.
Buddha.
great news! thanks.
I'll start "hiding" some money so my wife doesn't know I'll be buying these :icon_lol:
<bump> Just to reiterate that I'm in for a pair when the time comes.
Looking for a 04 sucker ... I mean volunteer who would be near enough to charlotte NC willing and able to lose a perfectly decent sunday ... for the greater good, man take one for the team I mean.
Sheesh ... selfish ... dammit.
~1-2 weeks from now ...
Cool.
Buddha.
So...which ones would I need? I have the F fairings but my bike is actually a 90 :dunno_black:
I'm in for a set! :woohoo: If they aren't all spoken for.
Buddha I'd donate mine to the cause but I'm in Florida alas. Being I can't ride for a bout a week due to surgery woulda been perfect for ya! Because I wouldn't have been bitchin an moanin I wanna ride. Oh, wait I'm already doing that!
Anyhow, since people seem to enjoy knocking my bike over will your case guards protect my fairings. Because if I go through the whole process of striaghtening it all out and some a$$clown knocks it over i will take a baseball bat to every car within 20 yards of my bike and see how they like having to fix their rides!
So, yes I need one if it will keep me from getting arrested!
Mary
Quote from: The Buddha on March 24, 2009, 12:34:39 PM
Looking for a 04 sucker ... I mean volunteer who would be near enough to charlotte NC willing and able to lose a perfectly decent sunday ... for the greater good, man take one for the team I mean.
Sheesh ... selfish ... dammit.
~1-2 weeks from now ...
Cool.
Buddha.
I can't do two weeks from now, and three might be pushing it, but I could theoretically make that ride - my bike is an F-E conversion though. I need to get it inspected (can pass, just haven't done it yet) too. If all else fails, let me know.
what do the caseguards look like? i was thinking about getting a set of the sw-motec but never had the money to commit
Psyber - Case guards look like crap. Its not about looks ... it defintely looks like sheite, unless you think a chick in a bullet proof vest is sexy. :icon_rolleyes:
I would rather it be a regular F with all fairings. That fairing is what I am working so hard to fit around.
Average - your 90 may not be right either.
I may sneak in and get a 08/09 at local stealer to help out.
If not ... :dunno_black:
Cool.
Buddha.
You can count me in for a set if they're not all spoken for, money ready.
Quote from: The Buddha on November 21, 2008, 12:07:33 PM
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=10522.40
That is the link but the beautiful pics rema1000 put are not showing. These were the old type though ... the new ones will not be like this.
Cool.
Buddha.
The pictures of the old version Srinath case guards are back up at
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=10522.msg98186#msg98186
The powder coat hasn't rusted in the past four and a half years.
Any thoughts to adding a footpeg to the side for a set of highway bars? That would be niiiice...
Well, none are spoken for, they are yet to be made. I am rather close but they are still in prototype stage.
I am not taking $ till I have 2 identical prototypes. I sell 1 and keep the other, make notes from that one and make a few more.
Footpeg - dude this is a pretend sport bike, not a real cruiser. I can understand frame sliders. Understand, yes. May not make it - atleast not in the prototype.
Cool.
Buddha.
Ah, but it can be made a real cruiser with a little engineering... I volunteer you.
Quote from: The Buddha on March 25, 2009, 07:40:12 AM
Psyber - Case guards look like crap. Its not about looks ... it defintely looks like sheite, unless you think a chick in a bullet proof vest is sexy. :icon_rolleyes:
I would rather it be a regular F with all fairings. That fairing is what I am working so hard to fit around.
Average - your 90 may not be right either.
I may sneak in and get a 08/09 at local stealer to help out.
If not ... :dunno_black:
Cool.
Buddha.
You really didn't answer my question, Talky Talkerton :icon_lol: With my 90 having the F fairings installed which set of case guards would work for me; or should I just try and find some frame sliders?
Bwaa ha ha ha ...
We can fit it and see ... if the clowno that welded up the fairing did a sloppy ass weld job by welding it crooked and tight ... it wont fit.
Mu ha ha ha ha ha ... its supposed to fit a proper 04.
BTW what frame sliders ... they dont make none that you dont drill your fairing for ...
Cool.
Buddha.
The Ken is going to kick your arse :icon_lol: O0
MC enterprises sold out.. doh! Anyone fab simple 2 point OEM style case guards? For a vehicle that weighs only 400 lbs, I think 1.25" OD 4130 or 1.5" mild steel case guards would work out fine.
However anything but a cruiser/tourer now a days outweighs it.
Sport bikes barely break 400, GS is closer to 450.
Yea steel pipe - wont fit under the fairing.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on March 24, 2009, 12:34:39 PM
Looking for a 04 sucker ... I mean volunteer who would be near enough to charlotte NC willing and able to lose a perfectly decent sunday ... for the greater good, man take one for the team I mean.
Sheesh ... selfish ... dammit.
~1-2 weeks from now ...
Cool.
Buddha.
i'd do it but thats an 8 hour ride... not sure if the butt would make it, why you gotta live sooo far!