I'm about to sit down with ProE, and start designing some rear sets for this bike to be milled out this week or next. I'll probably do something very similar to the vortex style of rear sets
(http://www.firedogracing.com/images/vortex%20rearsets.jpg)
I am, however, open to any input on what people would like to see. I'm planning to making more than one set of these.
How much movement would you like to see as far as where the pegs can go versus where they are stock?
These are my favorites, color and all.
(http://www.orientexpress.com/images/Sato-Suzuki-Rearsets/SATS-GSX109RS-GDLHS-600aw.jpg)
no adjustability though... boo
the color is just a matter of anodizing it
i dont think a million holes is really needed. something with like maybe 4 or 5 posistion is plenty. something the allows maybe 1.5 or 2 inchs from stock either back, up, down or back and up. prolly not anything that needs to go foward from stock, or any millings that allow like 1/4 inch movement, thats just a waste of drilling if you ask me.
as far as aestics go:
i like the gold heel guards better. pointier at the tips, sharper angles. i dont like the roundness of the silver vortex ones. honestly i think the angles on the stock heel guards are awesome, put some cool millings in those and theyd be perfect. and this next comment goes against what i said up there, but all the holes drilled to allow micro adjustments do look cool, just not cool enough to be worth it if you ask me.
I think my opinion would vary greatly if I saw prices attached to these pictures :D. I'm not sure that my bike is cool enough to have them anyway. I agree with gregvhen about the rather pointless need for that many adjutments. Whatever you decide, I can't wait to see it on your bike!
-K
Doesn't take much work to drill all the holes, so I don't mind doing it, as long as I can make it look good.
Prices for what I'm doing will likely be a whole lot less than the other stuff available for the bike ;)
I'm definitely interested!! The vortex ones look like a good starting point. Though, I agree with redhen and gregvhen on the pointier heel guards. I saw these about a couple months ago and thought they looked really awesome.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/BohemianRacing/Rearsets/260_sets-1.jpg)
heel guards are easy to add. Hell, I may do some out of carbon just for shits and giggles
Quote from: saxman on November 17, 2010, 11:30:03 PM
Prices for what I'm doing will likely be a whole lot less than the other stuff available for the bike ;)
I'm first in line if you decided to manufacture and sell! :cheers:
^those black and green ones are badass, I would definitely get some for my gs if I buy it back.
interested if price is right
Those all look sick!
Noob moment.... Whats the point of rear sets?? :embarassed:
Quote from: seamax on November 18, 2010, 07:45:13 AM
interested if price is right
+1
how many do you plan on making at first? just one set and if people like them you'll make by order? also the shapes (and color for that matter) on the green and blacks and black and reds are awesome. the bottom
right gold one, with the white background, i dont like as much because its boxy. the bottom of it is parralel to the top, and to the gorund, i like on the other ones how the basic shape is a triangle, and the bottom side of the other ones angle up. try to do that with the ones your making, IMO
Quote from: gregvhen on November 18, 2010, 10:09:33 AM
Quote from: seamax on November 18, 2010, 07:45:13 AM
interested if price is right
+1
how many do you plan on making at first? just one set and if people like them you'll make by order? also the shapes (and color for that matter) on the green and blacks and black and reds are awesome. the bottom right gold one, with the white background, i dont like as much because its boxy. the bottom of it is parralel to the top, and to the gorund, i like on the other ones how the basic shape is a triangle, and the bottom side of the other ones angle up. try to do that with the ones your making, IMO
I'm designing them to be made on the cnc mill. Making multiples isn't all that difficult, so yah, I'll likely make by the order.
I wouldn't care about color, or even shape, as long as they work well. Mine have 10 positions, and I have used 4 of them. Believe it or not, you can feel a difference from one position to the next.
(http://www.familyjones.org/paul/rearset.jpg)
^^ noob question but what do you mean by feel different? What's the purpose of making it adjustable?
Quote from: saxman on November 17, 2010, 09:05:26 PM
I am, however, open to any input on what people would like to see. I'm planning to making more than one set of these.
- Use standard pegs, ideally folding....that way if they do snap off then at least they can be replaced
- Allow access for the screw holding the chain guard in place without removal of the whole rear set (it's currently behind the heel plate)
- Adjustable Positions as per other comments.
Quote from: Miraz on November 18, 2010, 08:56:29 PM
- Use standard pegs, ideally folding....that way if they do snap off then at least they can be replaced
- Allow access for the screw holding the chain guard in place without removal of the whole rear set (it's currently behind the heel plate)
- Adjustable Positions as per other comments.
+1 !!
Making the pegs replaceable is definitely a great idea.
Been roughing out a design for the rear sets. Allows for a bit of adjustment down for those looking to cruise, and a bit more going up and back. Haven't bothered with heel plates yet or pegs themselves, although I'll likely make pegs that are detachable, but not foldable. They'll be designed so that should the bike fall, the peg will break before the mounting point at the frame.
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/rearsetshade.jpg)
with the peg in stock position:
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/rearsetstock.jpg)
All the way down/forward (Down a half inch, forward a quarter)
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/rearsetlow.jpg)
All the way back/up(Back an inch, up an inch)
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/rearsethigh.jpg)
These are looking pretty good. For sure interested in a set once you get them milled out and set a price. Good work!
Quote from: RSK70 on November 18, 2010, 08:30:06 PM
^^ noob question but what do you mean by feel different? What's the purpose of making it adjustable?
When I got the bike the pegs were all the way up and back. since I'm an old guy, I thought I would feel too folded up and cramped. But it was quite comfortable. Then I had a knee injury so I moved them down and forward. It helped a lot. Then I had the shift linkage break. While waiting for a new part I had to move the pegs somewhere in the middle in order for the shortened linkage to work.
looks really good. cant wait to see what the heel guard will look like
looks good! can't wait to see the clutch side.
Been reworking the design here... trying to do everything I can to make as many components as modular as possible. Basically the the same parts of the same for the left or right side. This way, should someone crash, parts are cheaper/easier to replace.
Rearset redesign
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/rearsetv2.jpg)
This way everything is interchangable between sides.
With both sides. Still haven't done the heel guards yet.
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/rearsetv2render.jpg)
Speaking of heel guards... cnc machined aluminum or carbon fiber plates? any opinions?
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/rearsetrender.jpg)
or....
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/rendermilledheelplate.jpg)
I like the 'or' option!! (also because nothing on my bike is carbon fiber). Can't wait to see it!! Thanks for keeping us posted.
2nd picture for sure. and good thinking making as many parts as possible the same on both sides
Quote from: Adfalchius on November 23, 2010, 10:31:06 PM
I like the 'or' option!! (also because nothing on my bike is carbon fiber). Can't wait to see it!! Thanks for keeping us posted.
Ditto, I mean who actually has CF on their bike(excluding the OP)?
Quote from: average on November 23, 2010, 11:50:09 PM
Quote from: Adfalchius on November 23, 2010, 10:31:06 PM
I like the 'or' option!! (also because nothing on my bike is carbon fiber). Can't wait to see it!! Thanks for keeping us posted.
Ditto, I mean who actually has CF on their bike(excluding the OP)?
I have CF mirrors and license plate :D
Both those sets look good.
Awesome job saxman! I'll be following this thread to see how they turn out as I would also be interested if you start producing them.
I got pro-e on my comp as well as Im an engineering student and thought about milling out some pegs but never got the motivation to do what you did
Keep it up!
I just want the adaptor plates so I can move my stock controls around.
Just ordered enough aluminum to make 3 sets of rear sets :icon_eek:
so where are we on these?
Quote from: average on November 30, 2010, 09:54:05 PM
so where are we on these?
Aluminum is showing up tomorrow. Going on the cnc mill thursday.
Metal is here.
Running the rear set model through some cam software, going on the mill tomorrow
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/rearsetcam.jpg)
Just curious about the weight that could be applied to the pegs with these sets, what kind of aluminum did you get?
BTW Im pumped to see the first batch! Looking awesome
6061 aluminum. Haven't calculated out the weight load, but the weakest link is still 3/8" al rod, fully supported in a bearing, so I'm not worried about it.
esiest way around the eright ;imit is to not stand up. :thumb:
Quote from: saxman on November 30, 2010, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: average on November 30, 2010, 09:54:05 PM
so where are we on these?
Aluminum is showing up tomorrow. Going on the cnc mill thursday.
How did the milling go?! These look amazing! Hopefully they turned out well!
Quote from: T.O.biker on December 03, 2010, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: saxman on November 30, 2010, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: average on November 30, 2010, 09:54:05 PM
so where are we on these?
Aluminum is showing up tomorrow. Going on the cnc mill thursday.
How did the milling go?! These look amazing! Hopefully they turned out well!
Had some issues with the cam software not cooperating. I'll be going back in tomorrow to finish up.
Looks great man! +1 on the simple plates to adjust stock rear-sets.
Also, I hate to say it, but if there's anyway you could model the the pegs after one of the current aftermarket designs, as far as bolting on at lease. It would make it easier to replace in five years or so if we can't get a hold of you..
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on December 03, 2010, 06:16:44 PM
Looks great man! +1 on the simple plates to adjust stock rear-sets.
Also, I hate to say it, but if there's anyway you could model the the pegs after one of the current aftermarket designs, as far as bolting on at lease. It would make it easier to replace in five years or so if we can't get a hold of you..
^ AGREED!
Finished milling the rear sets today.
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/rearset2.jpg)
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/rearset1.jpg)
I may try to pick up some cheap aftermarket pegs and see what it would take to use them instead of making my own. Damn pegs take forever to make from scratch.
INCREDIBLE! looks amazing, really nice job
Now...any chance youd be willing to share the code for the CNCing? :icon_mrgreen:
Or maybe ill just take a number and wait for a batch if you sell
I was thinking of trying to mill some stuff for my bike but never had the umph to do it haha
those look really noice. good job man, practical but sweet looking. id be down to by some but im pretty sure i couldnt afford em
Quote from: gregvhen on December 05, 2010, 01:28:04 AM
those look really noice. good job man, practical but sweet looking. id be down to by some but im pretty sure i couldnt afford em
I need to try and make another set based on the tweaks I made today while I was milling them to see how long they would take to reproduce. If/when I sell them, they're certainly be a lot cheaper than comparable rear sets on the market. Can't imagine why so many sell for $500ish, etc. Nuts!
Holy hell man those look sick!! Nice Work!
Very nice!
Quote from: saxman on December 05, 2010, 01:36:47 AM
Quote from: gregvhen on December 05, 2010, 01:28:04 AM
those look really noice. good job man, practical but sweet looking. id be down to by some but im pretty sure i couldnt afford em
I need to try and make another set based on the tweaks I made today while I was milling them to see how long they would take to reproduce. If/when I sell them, they're certainly be a lot cheaper than comparable rear sets on the market. Can't imagine why so many sell for $500ish, etc. Nuts!
$500 plusish cause they know people with the 10 and 15,000 dollar bikes will pay that much haha
Dude, those are hot! I agree that finding an aftermarket peg would be benefecial to all of us but those look good too.
Quote from: average on December 05, 2010, 09:50:59 PM
Dude, those are hot! I agree that finding an aftermarket peg would be benefecial to all of us but those look good too.
Hell, it'd be beneficial to me too. Takes too long to make the pegs. At least in the current style. That knurling on the pegs took probably an hour.
Nice looking sets.
There are a few companies that make assorted pegs that screw onto mounts for different bikes. The pegs are the same (different color or style) with the same threads or with a hole for a bolt & nut. Just browse the catalogs and find a company that has a nice assortment. Then you either have a bolt for them or a threaded shaft they screw onto.
That's how I got off the shelf aluminum pegs for Junior. Dealer found the company with a GS500 mount then I selected the pegs in the style and color I wanted. The mount had a threaded hole and the peg bolted to the mount.
There are lots of aluminum pegs on ebay. Same peg and screws onto the mount, just different mounts for different bikes. Pretty cheap. Like $10-$20 a pair. Buy those and throw the mount away. Voila - inexpensive stock aluminum pegs in assorted colors and styles.
That should save you lots of time and replacement pegs would be readily available.
For your racer types, these rear sets allow for an increase of approx. 2.7 to 4.6 degrees of lean over the stock pegs. The 2.7 increase is even with the pegs mounted further down and forward than stock too.
A completely assembled pair of rear sets weighs in under 700 grams.
T6061 is what my lowering links are made from...
you could water jet those and run them through a router or even a belt sander
or a vibratory deburrer and then power-coat or anodize
would be really quick and really cheap
Quote from: skirecs on December 08, 2010, 03:12:53 PM
you could water jet those and run them through a router or even a belt sander
or a vibratory deburrer and then power-coat or anodize
would be really quick and really cheap
An interesting point. I looked into water jetting. Only thing I don't like is the sharp edges it gives. I'll have to take a look at routing the edges.
40000-80000 psi with garnet on that alum shouldn't tear it up that much
how thick is that stock?
Don't mean sharp edges as a byproduct of water jetting. I mean sharp edges as a byproduct of just doing a cut through. On the cnc, I've basically chamfered all of the edges.
Using 1/4" stock.
With all the linkages in place.
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/rearset11.jpg)
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/rearset21.jpg)
(http://crecca.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/rearset3.jpg)
Think I need to modify the placement on the lever for the linkages to mount up to. I feel like I could get a little better leverage.
I like how wide the shifter pedal O0 is but maybe you should off say....1/2 inch?
Quote from: average on December 10, 2010, 12:14:36 AM
I like how wide the shifter pedal O0 is but maybe you should off say....1/2 inch?
The shifter is 2" long, the peg 4. It looks a lot longer in the pictures.
...and when will these be available to board members?
Just wanted to say that these look amazing. I love the fact that you can still the marks from machining.
Quote from: average on December 12, 2010, 04:39:59 PM
...and when will these be available to board members?
Once finals are over(Friday), I'll be turning my attention towards finalizing the design for production.
Good luck on the finals. Looks awesome!
I agree that 2" is a little long for a shifter peg. Even 1.5" is a little long, 1 inch is more like it.
Curious on any progress, I won't allow this thread to fade, I want a set!
Quote from: JPFL8 on December 25, 2010, 11:14:00 AM
Curious on any progress, I won't allow this thread to fade, I want a set!
I'm out of town for the holiday. I'll get back on it when I get home Monday or Tuesday.
How's the project coming?
Hows this going. I will def be looking at picking up a set when you have them ready!
Saxman disappeared off the face of the earth, best I can tell. He had a great GS500 project going, and we haven't seen any updates in a while. My guess is that life got the better of him.
I'm thinking of starting a project to build some rear-sets for the GS500. My plan is to fabricate some brackets that will mount name brand parts to our GS. That should provide excellent parts availability in the event crash replacements are needed, without a lot of expense.
Too bad...he put a ton of work into this project and they look great! Hopefully he'll be back soon and get these on the market.
Quote from: burning1 on April 07, 2011, 01:13:45 PM
Saxman disappeared off the face of the earth, best I can tell. He had a great GS500 project going, and we haven't seen any updates in a while. My guess is that life got the better of him.
I'm thinking of starting a project to build some rear-sets for the GS500. My plan is to fabricate some brackets that will mount name brand parts to our GS. That should provide excellent parts availability in the event crash replacements are needed, without a lot of expense.
That is a really good idea, I would be willing to bet it was cheaper that way too. I cant imagine it being cheap to have only 10 parts CNC'd at a machine shop especially if you have to have the program for the cutting paths done for you. If you need any help with that I can lend some CAD experience.
Quote from: mass-hole on April 08, 2011, 07:36:32 AMThat is a really good idea, I would be willing to bet it was cheaper that way too. I cant imagine it being cheap to have only 10 parts CNC'd at a machine shop especially if you have to have the program for the cutting paths done for you. If you need any help with that I can lend some CAD experience.
Thanks mass-hole. I created a topic on the thread - it looks like the 06-10 GSX-R design might be ideal for this. That model year bike already uses an adapter plate that could be replaced by a part suitable for the GS500, and a couple aftermarket companies make rearsets that bolt right on to the OEM plate. Take a look at my thread on the subject (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=55704.0).