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I find it interesting that the gun they picked for the picture appears to be, in my completely uneducated opinion, some kind of assault rifle. I don't know what it is, but it doesn't look like a hunting rifle. I'm gonna guess it was probably made for the purpose of shooting people?? haha
[Assuming it's a civilian model] it's no different than any other semiautomatic rifle, other than it looks scarier. OMG...it's black, has a big mag, and has a collapsible stock! Yeah...but it still goes bang one time per trigger pull, just like something that holds 5 rounds and uses a wood stock.
Don't let the look sway you; that's exactly the thinking that leads to the retarded gun laws we currently have.
Quote from: murf425 on February 25, 2011, 07:39:46 AM
[Assuming it's a civilian model] it's no different than any other semiautomatic rifle, other than it looks scarier. OMG...it's black, has a big mag, and has a collapsible stock! Yeah...but it still goes bang one time per trigger pull, just like something that holds 5 rounds and uses a wood stock.
Don't let the look sway you; that's exactly the thinking that leads to the retarded gun laws we currently have.
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Quote from: murf425 on February 25, 2011, 07:39:46 AM
[Assuming it's a civilian model] it's no different than any other semiautomatic rifle, other than it looks scarier. OMG...it's black, has a big mag, and has a collapsible stock! Yeah...but it still goes bang one time per trigger pull, just like something that holds 5 rounds and uses a wood stock.
Don't let the look sway you; that's exactly the thinking that leads to the retarded gun laws we currently have.
Absolutely.
If I hit someone with a 2x4...it's then technically an "assault 2x4" isn't it...
Pic is of an M4 .
well I think the point I was getting at was that while a 2x4 would hurt, it's made for building houses, and hitting someone with it shows someone's poor use of building materials. Regardless of whether someone buys it with the intention of taking it to a shooting range or just wants to shoot cans in their back yard, the actual purpose of certain guns is just to make killing people easier, and it's peoples proper use of them that leads to the retarded gun laws we have. If people would stop using the guns for their intended purpose of shooting people on an hourly basis, I'm sure the laws would look different.
I'm not here to say that laws should be one way or another, just that I rarely get the point of most pro-gun slogans because they rarely contain any good logic, it's usually just 2nd amendment something, Rosie is fat and I'm a man you can take my gun when I'm dead something else kinda stuff. If you want to make anti-gun people understand your position then put some effort into it. People who want the world to realize that pit bulls aren't evil put in effort to train their dogs as therapy dogs and take them to nursing homes. Black people who want the country to realize that they're not all thugs in gangs volunteer at soup kitchens. Guys on motorcycles who want to show everyone we're not all obnoxious do charity runs to raise money for someone with cancer. When people with guns want to get their point out they just yell about how stupid people are who don't like guns and repeat phrases about guns not killing people, people killing people, and the 2nd amendment(which doesn't really help anyway because anti-gun people only feel that the 2nd amendment is for practical used of guns, such as protecting yourself from an actual tyrannical government, not for people who just want to hoard weapons in their basement claiming that they're for protecting their families all the while statistics show that you're more likely to get shot by a gun owned by someone in that same house, than you are to get hurt by someone breaking in. Also, having a government that feels that 17 year olds shooting each other with easy to access guns on a regular basis is a problem that should be dealt with does not make them gun-hating tyrants who are just trying to force you to live with anti-constitution laws, they're simply trying to reduce the number of people getting killed).
....and again, before everyone who likes guns flips out, I'm not complaining about guns, I'm not here to make any points about guns, I'm just simply tired of hearing all the same poorly thought out arguments as to why it's more important for people to have easy access to all the guns they can get their hands on all the while those same guns are being used to kill kids in my city on a weekly basis. Before you say 'if those kids didn't have guns they'd just be hitting each other with 2x4', remember that's the same stupid argument I'm talking about. Put a little more thought into it, and maybe YOU guys try coming up with some effective plans to keep teenage thugs from shooting other people all the time instead of just ignoring the problem and getting mad at everyone else who tries to help the problem. I already know how poorly this is gonna go, but I'm gonna hit "Post" anyway.
Quote from: Jared on February 25, 2011, 05:40:45 PM
Quote from: murf425 on February 25, 2011, 07:39:46 AM
[Assuming it's a civilian model] it's no different than any other semiautomatic rifle, other than it looks scarier. OMG...it's black, has a big mag, and has a collapsible stock! Yeah...but it still goes bang one time per trigger pull, just like something that holds 5 rounds and uses a wood stock.
Don't let the look sway you; that's exactly the thinking that leads to the retarded gun laws we currently have.
Absolutely.
If I hit someone with a 2x4...it's then technically an "assault 2x4" isn't it...
Pic is of an M4 .
Actually, if the 2x4 is less than 76 inches it's considered an assault 2x4. You don't use ones that short for buildings, so the only thing they're for is hitting people. If you don't believe me, try going to a hardware store and only buying a 4 ft 2x4.
Well one way to keep these kids from shooting each other would be to construct cages. One for each child born so that they wouldn't be able to get to a gun to shoot each other. That would work.
Or we could have the fingers of every child removed at birth. It would be a simple surgical procedure and by the time they are old enough to know what fingers are they would have adapted to life without them anyway. That would work too.
Ooh, here's the best of all...let's let them shoot each other but first we replace all bullets produced with jelly beans and reduce the powder charges in each round so that a shoot-out at the local high school would hurt anyone (except maybe a diabetic).
This is how silly the arguments for controlling guns are. Because you are not fixing the problem which is the underlying psychological issue that cause one human to take the life of another because that person "dissed" their mother. You could take every gun, knife or 2x4 from someone and they will find another way to kill if that's what their gray matter tells them to do.
I have never owned a gun. I do not hunt. I have fired several. I think that someone has every right to own firearms if that's what they want to do. I don't think someone should tell me that I'm not allowed to own a fork. I like them, they make eating so much easier than chopsticks or my hands. But if I had the right mind to, I could surely kill someone with a fork.
I know, there will never be agreement on an issue such as this.
And this is my opinion but I'm also playing devil's advocate here! Enjoy!
Quote from: PachmanP on February 25, 2011, 08:13:07 PM
Actually, if the 2x4 is less than 76 inches it's considered an assault 2x4. You don't use ones that short for buildings, so the only thing they're for is hitting people. If you don't believe me, try going to a hardware store and only buying a 4 ft 2x4.
I've used pieces no longer than 4 foot. The standard wall frame is 8 foot long, so if you're building a wall that's within 4 feet of a multiple of 8, you'll need a short piece for the top and bottom of the last frame. Plus there's triangle shaped frames for angled roofs, and any variety of short walls for partial room dividers and things of that sort. I would however be interested to see a house where every measurement was an even multiple of 8'.
Quote from: Worm on February 25, 2011, 08:15:03 PM
This is how silly the arguments for controlling guns are.
The thing is, I've never once heard a politician try to ban all guns in my city, but that's how people usually take every mention of regulations on guns. One example is how common it is for people with a clean record to buy guns, sell them to people who aren't allowed to own guns(can you believe someone would try to keep a felon from expressing their 2nd amendment right to own a gun?!?!!). That person then uses it to kill someone, and when the cops come back to the person who's buying these guns and selling them to the people who shouldn't have them, he just says 'ooh yeah that was stolen a few weeks ago'. So in response, they tried to make a law that said when your gun gets stolen, you should report it with in so many days. Nothing about that law restricts someones right to buy, own, or shoot their gun(s). They're basically asking 'hey, do you mind being responsible and trying to keep track of your gun for the sake of the people around you?' and everyone flipped out 'well what if someone doesn't know their gun was stolen?! Then they could go to jail for doing nothing wrong?!" again acting like any amount of trying to control a dangerous weapon is a threat to the constitution. Problem is, if your guns are getting stolen and you don't even notice, you probably ARE doing something wrong. Maybe you should lock that stuff up, or at least check every few days to see if it's still there. It's some peoples complete unwillingness to make any compromise that I think is the problem.
Well TT I didn't much feel like writing a page or two- I was being brief and agreeing with Murf's point.
A lot of those brief "slogan" style sayings make pretty good points. Brevity is the soul of wit (Polonius...Hamlet..).
"When seconds count- the police are only minutes away." /Brevity
You said uneducated opinion...then call other things stupid....?
I wasn't comparing a 2x4 to a firearm-saying "they'll just use lumber to kill each other". I was speaking of the "assault" label being branded on any "evil" black rifle. Assault is assault is my point so anything you use as a weapon against someone else can be branded an 'Assault XXXXX". It's a description of a style of weapon- yes- but as murf said - one trigger pull- one round is fired- it doesn't matter if the rifle has a fixed/internal magazine that holds ten rounds and a wooden stock- say a hunting rifle "style"- that rifle in the hands of someone who decides to harm others will kill them just as dead as any "assault rifle". A skilled person with a nice bolt action can do quite a bit of damage if so inclined So the people killing people is a very valid point- the firearm isn't going to get itself out of the case/ cabinet/ safe- load it's own magazine aim itself and fire on someone. It's the person that owns it/possesses it not the "Dangerous weapons" fault.
Gun laws.... criminals by definition aren't going to obey laws anyway so more laws really wont do much to stop a criminal.
Do we need background checks-ok- I'm fine with that- but I'm a law abiding citizen- criminals will just steal them or buy them stolen or do a straw purchase ( your felons buying it from the "law abiding person"...who isn't. ). So what law will keep the straw purchases from ever happening? You know since the straw buyers are such good law following people....(clean background cause they haven't been caught.).
I'm in MD...not the "worst" but one of the worst gun law states to be in. They started ballistic fingerprinting new handguns in 2000 (fire a round - register the casing with the gun for ID later on)... spent millions on the system and never solved a single crime with it. If I wanted to frame you for murder...I could pick up a spent casing of yours at the range and leave it at the crime seen ......they'd have your prints on the casing and it would match the gun you own...
Anti-gun politicians are usually trying to get re elected. Some probably do genuinely have good intentions...but can't see any logic . The irony is that don't they often have armed law enforcement protecting them ( well a lot more than the average citizen gets ) of course they don't need to own a gun.
The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting ( for those who think it should only cover hunting..) . "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YY5Rj4cQ50 if you like Penn and Teller...
I'm breaking the law if someone breaks into my house -searches my house- finds my weapons (locked cabinet in my case-big firesafe coming soon)- maybe gets the lock open without destroying it and steals them? I don't walk in front of my cabinet everyday so if the thing was closed back up and wasn't obviously damaged that I didn't notice.... I'd be guilty of the crime the thief commits later on...?Granted the house would probably be disturbed pretty well unless they were aware of what I had and came in specifically for it...
Point is they are breaking in- committing a crime- punishing the people that obey laws will not deter criminals.
I'm all for responsible ownership and handling of firearms. Education and safety courses - absolutely. I have the right- and I exercise it. If you don't care to - that's your right.
The little compromises (plenty already)will just lead to more and more and then it will all be gone.
Let me know when you run for office.
I think one of our failures as a society is that no one want to take responsibility for anything. Little Johnnie shoots one of his classmates for picking on him and he shoots up the entire school. No one will take the blame for it they just point the finger at someone else. I don't own a gun I do work in the security field.
I think David Chapelle had it right make the guns easy to get but make the bullets $1000 a shell. Dude I'd cap you in the a$$ if that bullet didn't cost so damned much!
Mary
Y'know, I wrote a thesis on the 8th/2nd correlation. At the end of the day, the original intent when our country was founded was for EVERY free man to have the same rights. IF a man is not trustworthy with a firearm, they have no place in society.
We need another prison colony.
The "guns don't kill people" stance comes from the anti-gun mantra "ban GUNS to save the children" in short, blaming the weapon and not the person wielding the weapon.
People die all the time i car crashes. No-one cries to Ban Cars even though such a move Would save lives.
People drown in backyard pools all the time. No-one cries to Ban Pools even though such a move would save lives.
People die falling from their ladders at home. No-one cries to ban ladders even though...
England has a no hand gun law. After the law went into effect, hand gun crime went UP.
It ain't the tool, it's the person using the tool. Availability of the tool is a side issue designed to divert attention away from the person using the tool.
Michael
Quote from: mister on February 25, 2011, 10:10:59 PM
The "guns don't kill people" stance comes from the anti-gun mantra "ban GUNS to save the children" in short, blaming the weapon and not the person wielding the weapon.
People die all the time i car crashes. No-one cries to Ban Cars even though such a move Would save lives.
People drown in backyard pools all the time. No-one cries to Ban Pools even though such a move would save lives.
People die falling from their ladders at home. No-one cries to ban ladders even though...
England has a no hand gun law. After the law went into effect, hand gun crime went UP.
It ain't the tool, it's the person using the tool. Availability of the tool is a side issue designed to divert attention away from the person using the tool.
Michael
exactly. i hear in UK or aus. you CAN own firearms, but its a HUGE red tape thign to purchase. , mister i believe in your country some assinine amount of fees or somethign. none of those thigns, the guns, or the alcohol, or teh cars BY THEMSELVES, can kill someone. mary it is easy for a felon to straw a gun. i stopped 3 of them today at shop. that aside, when one shows up on CL, ( not allowed) but when they do, if i were a felon, BUT had enough money, i could buy the gun. legally own it? no. but buy it nonetheless, to eliminate crazy folks from buying weps, youd have to find an assload of REAL psychics ( lol not available. ) that were right 100% of the time.now next point, say mary you have an ak47, say with a 15rd clip/mag. and that is classified as an assault wep. , now i have another weapon shooting same caliber round, with same amount of rounds, BUT its classified as a hunting weapon, wtf? same bullet? same number?, the gun in picture looks to me like an ar15/m16, im prolly wrong. anyhoo, mr clinton in his moment of wisdom LOL with the assault weps ban, made me alot of money at the time. 3 weeks before it went into effect, i purchased 15 hi cap. glock clips, and also borrowed the moneyt and purchased6 ak47's. after teh ban, those were exempt. i sold the guns BACK to the shop, at twice the price i paid. he in turn sold for almost 3 times. my clips i tripled the money. st. barack,i almost hope will do the same thing, make some killer money this way lol. LEGALLY
Something I agree with. I don't care what your weapon of choice is, lay it on my table and I can gurantee that it by itself will not harm a soul until picked up and used. I could kill you with my bare hands if necessary. Should we start outlawing the ability to have hands? :icon_confused:
Quote from: jserio on February 25, 2011, 11:12:24 PM
Something I agree with. I don't care what your weapon of choice is, lay it on my table and I can gurantee that it by itself will not harm a soul until picked up and used. I could kill you with my bare hands if necessary. Should we start outlawing the ability to have hands? :icon_confused:
give this president time hell try. lol i jest.
I was being serious. If I chose to kill you, I most likely want to do so without detection no? So, quietest form would be a knive(kinda messy) or choke you to death. Just a thought.
Or a syringe with air in it. could make your heart asplode! IF air is injected into the blood stream.
Mary
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on February 25, 2011, 11:27:58 PM
Or a syringe with air in it. could make your heart asplode! IF air is injected into the blood stream.
Mary
yes maam. ive gotten air into my blood vessels before, ( hospital) sucked ass or when my iv came out of vein but inside arm, my arm swells up 4 times normal size hteyre like WTF nothign wrong lol. my arm however was6" around
Just want to point out it was Chris Rock who suggested the $1000 bullet.
And to back up jserio's (?) logic: a friend of mine is 6' 4" and weighs about 280 pounds. Was a bouncer for years and started fights when he wasn't working. When the lethal weapon argument started, he said "I am a very large and intimidating dude. If you don't have a gun I can get you on the floor in no time and pop your eyeball out with a baby spoon. Now do we outlaw baby spoons?"
Just trying to lighten the mood......
The point I was trying to make, is that when anyone brings up gun violence everyone screams about the 2nd amendment and that people can still kill people without guns, but I never hear any gun owners chipping in with any real advice about the problem. If you're the ones who know why every law won't work, why don't we ever hear any positive ideas out of you guys. "I know a LOT of people are being killed with guns, maybe we could try this....". You act like you're the only ones with the experience to be qualified enough to make decisions about guns, but you don't ever bother to make any.
Yes people die in cars, but we have laws saying you can only drive a certain speed, have to have a license and insurance, have to wear your seat belt. People die in pools but there are laws that say if you have a pool in your back yard you have to have a fence on it. No rules are perfect but when you see a problem you've gotta at least put in an effort to try and fix it. Do you guys see a lot of gangs buying up swimming pools and beat up chevy novas just for the purpose of killing people to really make that a valid argument?? Why don't I hear you guys yelling about speed limits and pool fences being a slippery slope to your rights being stripped away?? Again, none of the rules are perfect and completely solve a problem, but I haven't heard of any 10 year olds dying in the crossfire from a 2x4 or a knife fight.
Again.... you're speaking about criminals using guns for illegal purposes....by definition they are not obeying the LAW.... No law will make ALL people not be violent or have the "morality" they should. People breaking up fights ( trying to be the peacemakers ) or stop crimes get killed with knives all the time. Crossfire... where is open gun battle legal here.... again CRIMINALS.
If you pass a law saying you can't own a gun, or carry a gun or whatever- The law abiding people will be the unarmed ones. Criminals know this. DC has one of the highest murder rates in the country- it also has the strictest gun laws.
Do the laws work? No. The efforts have been made over and over again.
Look at places like Kennesaw Georgia. Pretty much mandatory ownership... low crime rate.
Who exactly defines what a positive idea is anyway? If it's not what YOU want to hear it's not going to be positive now is it?
My idea- Plain or concealed carry. An armed society is a polite society. Criminals will likely think a lot harder about what they do if the result could be them getting killed. It wont happen but that's my idea ( and yes angry people...road rage..others taking your weapon...absent minded losses etc etc...). Personal Responsibility and Liberty is my idea.
http://www.wimp.com/truemeaning/
Maybe we should just lobotomize everyone so nobody will be mean and do bad things.
Ohhh Driving is a privilege not a right- the speeding...also LAW breaking -the laws are there. Swimming pools...also not in the constitution-and yes fences etc should be up...but personal responsibility (as Mary said) is the issue. Gangs buying up swimming pools- funny --the point on swimming pools was about people die- lack of responsibility there... Cars... they kill people all the time...yes even done on purpose sometimes.
When you can legislate common sense and "morality" into everyone and make this world a true Utopia - let me know- I'll gladly "beat my swords into plow shares.".
I'd also like to add that I don't think we need stricter gun laws. However, stiffer penalties for the criminal misuse of firearms should be enforced. The punishment for the crime has to be a sever deterent in order to bring said crime in check. Don't let the crime pay so to speak.
The main issue with firearms regulation is that it will only have any effect on the law abiding public.
Here in the UK (as someone previously touched upon) we can legally own firearms providing we can prove to the firearms section of the police that we have good reason to own the particluar rifle and that we are of sound mental capability to use it for only it's intended purpose.
Once you get the ok on those two bits, you are granted a ticket for the firearm you applied for and a small quantity (~200) of ammunition for that weapon, the land over which you will shoot must then be approved for the calibre by the fireams licensing officer.
Shotguns are slightly less controlled in that once you have a shotgun certificate, you may own any and as many shotguns as you like and provided you obey the law use them anywhere. Ammunition can be bought/kept in unlimited quantity but you must present your certificate upon purchase.
All firearms are listed on your certificate and also a record is kept by the local Firearms Licencing officer, if a gun is bought, sold, gifted or destroyed, a letter must be sent from both the current keeper and the new keeper within 7 days informing them of the change otherwise a large fine and your certificate may be revoked. :o
All firearms (including air rifles over 12ft-lbs - yes, these are classed as firearms under UK law!) must be kept locked away at all times except when in use and only the certificate holder should have access.
Until 2002(or thereabouts, I can't quite remember?) we were also allowed handguns under the above system, however after some idiot walked into a school and killed many people (Dunblane) handguns are now completely prohibited. Even our olympic shooters cannot train in this country! :cookoo:
Even with these draconian actions by our government, shootings with handguns have steadily risen since the ban when all legally owned handguns were either destroyed or permanently deactivated...
YEAH THAT WORKED THEN!
After another idiot recently went on the rampage through cumbria with a shotgun, the kneejerk reaction is happening again with fears from all in the shooting community that shotguns may face even tougher controls... Meanwhile the streets are flooded with totally illegal uncontrolled firearms imported used soley for the purpose of criminal activity :mad:
Here in Aust to get a Firearm License you have to...
1: Have written permission from a Land Owner - or - be a member of a Sporting Shooting Club
2: Complete a Firearm Safety Course
3: Submit an application form with passport photo, copies of 100 Points ID (driver license is worth X points, Birth cert worth X and so on).
4: Wait 30 days before they even look at it - note, in my state, any of the options of point one above will get you a RE (recreational) and Sporting class on your license. In other states, club membership will grant you Sporting class but not Recreational (hunting) rights, for that you'd need the written letter of permission outlining the land size and caliber of gun allowed.
5: After 30 days and assuming your Background check was clear (no DVO for instance) you are issued your Weapons License (note the word Weapon). And are now allowed to have a Category A or B firearm. Category A is: rimfire rifles & air rifles; Cat B is Shotguns of magazine capacity of 2 rounds or less (no semi autos shotty unless you have a Dr cert justinfying why you need that type cause you cannot use a conventional shotty with recoil) and centerfire rifles. No semi auto rifles whatsoever.
6: So now you go looking for a firearm. You cannot buy one without having a Permit To Acquire. So you go to the local police station and ask for an Application for a Permit To Acquire. You take this Application with you to the gun store. Let them fill out this Application and send it. If you have decided on the store itself, allow them to receive the Permit to Acquire. Otherwise, have it sent to your home and choose a store - the police don't like sending the permit without a nominated store and you may get a call about it. Note: If this is your first firearm you will wait 30 days before they even look at your Application for a Permit To Acquire. They deem these two 30 day waiting times as Cooling Off time so you won't be doing it all in a fit of anger.
7: Once the Permit To Acquire comes in, the store fills out the details of the firearm - make, model, cal, magazine capacity, serial number - and sends those details to the Weapons Licensing Branch. These details will be recorded on your file. They also record your license details on the form (so have your license with you).
8: The firearm MUST be stored in a Secured container that must weigh over 150kg (300#) or if less be bolted down. Ammo must be stored within a no-removalble separate compartment within this container or it's own container following the same rules as the firearm's storage container. While in storage, bolts must be removed.
9: If you require another firearm, you need to visit the police and ask for an Application for a Permit to Acquire. State the Category of firearm you want. There is no 30 days waiting before they (weapons licensing branch) look at it this time.
10: On the Application of Permit To Acquire you need state no reason for a Cat A firearm but have to state a Reason Why you want a Cat B. Full bore target shooting is a valid reason.
11: Private Sale of a firearm is not permitted UNLESS overseen by a Licensed Dealer who will record all details of the sale and submit to the police so they can update their records of who has which gun.
Sounds full on, right? And it is. And, it only effects the Honest people as most gun crimes is committed by guns which have Never been sold in this country (there is no record of the gun). And despite this, gun ownership is on the rise here. People are putting themselves through all this. And this is a far cry from how this state used to be (you used to be able to go into a gun store, show your driving license as proof you lived here, and walk out with a gun - like buying milk - and even then we had very little gun crime).
Michael
I think Rosie eats with a shovel at this point.
Quote from: jserio on February 25, 2011, 11:16:57 PM
I was being serious. If I chose to kill you, I most likely want to do so without detection no? So, quietest form would be a knive(kinda messy) or choke you to death. Just a thought.
Fun crap learned in Krav Maga moment: A well placed and very strong kick to the inside of the leg will rupture the femoral artery, causing massive hemorrhaging and death within a few minutes.
Oh my I take a little time off and the gun rights argument rages in my absence.
The comment about doubting anyone hunts with a rifle like the one pictured is false.
During deer season the AR is my goto firearm of choice. I am intimately familliar with it and how it shoots because it gets used for training and competition several times a year. I know lot's of hog hunters that use the AR as well and many a coyote has been downed by predator callers using AR's
Making ammo expensive actually has been attempted, many commercial reloading firms for .308, .223 and 9mm ammo use once fired military brass to reload and sell, there have been a couple of attemtps to require that brass be demil'd so it could not be used for reloading and would only be good as scrap metal. This caused shortages just as supplies were returning to reasonable levels of availability for those rounds which drove costs up. I think that battle has been fought and lost by the ,gov 3 times now.
It's called backdoor gun control and it's even more insidious than outrigth attempts at firearms bans.
Oh andf a quick bit of information the AR AR-15 does not stand for assault rifle it actually stands for Armalite Rifle, Real AR's are built by Armalite anything else is just a pattern of it.
My guns kill people like crazy! Oh wait... .22LR is not pictured. Funny thing is, anti's would never guess that brown one right there is far more lethal and dangerous than the scary black one. That would be the exact model used on Myth Buster to punch through
two pains of bullet proof glass :icon_rolleyes:.
Do not get to shoot too often, I used to shoot the USP (pistol) weekly, and carried, but shoot rarely now. I can shoot at my dad's department range for free (he is a cop), but we go very rarely (but I cannot bring myself to pay for a range when I can go there for free).
The AR is a hoot, only shot it a couple times, bought it post-Obama hysteria (kind of regret that now, gosh did I overpay :cookoo:). Need new optics for it though, the 4x Osprey I have for it is terrible (maybe defective?) It's on target, but the aperture is awful (80% of it is blurred hard-core).
EDIT: Almost forgot.
1- Oly Arms K16 .223 (local manufacturer here in Washington)
2- Springfield M1903
3- H&K USPc 9mm
They haven't killed anyone yet, even by accident!(http://godivine.net/photos/K16/All.jpg)
Quote from: bill14224 on February 26, 2011, 03:56:20 PM
I think Rosie eats with a shovel at this point.
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hell that brown one has almost twice the barrel length. got to shoot one of these a month back, pricy as hell to shoot. so i got 10 rounds out of it
(http://www.gun-world.net/usa/barrett/m95/m95_8.jpg) not me in pic