Yesterday my riding buddy who rides a Busa, we're on opposite ends of the power spectrum lol, were gonna go for a ride on one of our favorite twisty roads. Another friend of his who we'd never ridden with came along too, he rides a 2008+ R6. Anyway this time I was leading and were HAULING down the two mile straight section that leads to the twisties and the dude on the R6 was keeping up fine, but after we got into the turns he was no where to be seen.
Moral of the story, I think it's kind of a strange that some one a R6, probably the "raciest" 600, couldn't keep up with a gs500 and a busa in the turns
Anyone one else in here ever out ridden guys/girls on bigger bikes?
Nice...but remember, you aren't beating the bike...your beating the rider ;) The right rider on that bike would smoke you.
But I do love watching this every once in a while :)
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=55694.0
Quote from: fraze11 on July 10, 2011, 09:18:38 AM
Nice...but remember, you aren't beating the bike...your beating the rider ;) The right rider on that bike would smoke a GS.
But I do love watching this every once in a while :)
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=55694.0
haha yess I watched that video back when he posted it.
But that's exactly what I'm getting at, I guess I find it weird when some one has a bike like that and can't ride the crap out of it.
wow d1ck move man, you could of got that guy killed then you make fun of him... when you go out together you stay together and you stay at the speed of the slowest rider... some newbie on a r6 is like giving a 5 year old scissors running away from him and telling him to keep up...
you win the official d1ck award of the day...
Quote from: crzydood17 on July 10, 2011, 09:30:20 AM
wow duck move man, you could of got that guy killed then you make fun of him... when you go out together you stay together and you stay at the speed of the slowest rider... some newbie on a r6 is like giving a 5 year old scissors running away from him and telling him to keep up...
you win the official duck award of the day...
Thing is he wasn't a newb he'd had bikes before. He took the road at his pace and did fine. Also it'd about a 8 or 10 minute road if that, not like we were out for miles and miles.
Quote from: crzydood17 on July 10, 2011, 09:30:20 AM
you win the official d1ck award of the day...
Well, techincally since the guy on the R6 came in a little late it sounds to me as though he knew his limits and rode within them, so good on him. I dont think theres anything particlualry wrong with the above. People should know their limits and ride within them...and it looks like the guy on the R6 did...but you prolly should let new people in your group know you might tear off ahead and to not ride beyond their capabilities. We do that when we head out with new guys.
And just cuz you have a supersport doesnt mean you ride the snot out of it all the time ;) Who knows...he coulda been laying back seeing what your skills were like ... next time if you ride with him you might be a blip in his rearview ;)
Quote from: fraze11 on July 10, 2011, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: crzydood17 on July 10, 2011, 09:30:20 AM
you win the official d1ck award of the day...
Well, techincally since the guy on the R6 came in a little late it sounds to me as though he knew his limits and rode within them, so good on him. I dont think theres anything particlualry wrong with the above. People should know their limits and ride within them...and it looks like the guy on the R6 did...but you prolly should let new people in your group know you might tear off ahead and to not ride beyond their capabilities. We do that when we head out with new guys.
Yea you're right, when we got back my friend said "maybe we should have told him that when we go out riding we really ride." Something to remember for next time. I know when I'm in a situation like that I keep it slow and don't try to keep up, I think he did the same.
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Another consideration is, road knowledge. If you've ridden a road a dozen times you know lines, increasing/decreasing radius turns, etc. In short, what's around the next bend. A guy never been on that road before will, if he is smart, take it easy the first few times.
But yes, to answer your question, I have smoked a Kwaka liter bike. I could see in the mirrors he was cutting corners to keep up with me. When we go to the end he was sweating and said, "you really made me work for it, Mickey.
Michael
I had a guy on an R6 tell me that there was no way my bike was on the LAMS list.
Quote from: crzydood17 on July 10, 2011, 09:30:20 AM
wow d1ck move man, you could of got that guy killed then you make fun of him... when you go out together you stay together and you stay at the speed of the slowest rider... some newbie on a r6 is like giving a 5 year old scissors running away from him and telling him to keep up...
you win the official d1ck award of the day...
Who said he was a newbie? Just cause he didn't "keep up" has nothing to do with riding ability. Maybe he was the more experienced of the bunch and was "riding his own ride" as we are taught in most motorcycle courses these days. I have been on many a group ride and I don't try and keep up with anyone nor do I expect anyone to keep up with me. I ride my own ride. So I guess you better hand one the "D1ck awards" this way then if that's your reasoning.
Quote from: tandersn9 on July 10, 2011, 09:15:20 AM
Anyone one else in here ever embarrassed guys on bigger bikes?
I can beat my best mate on his TLR at the traffic lights - for about 15 meters! He has been riding for many years and still has not got a handle on the 1000cc V-Twin grunt off the line, but once the clutch is out its a different story! I am right on his tailpipes thru the corners though and sometimes I will make a sneaky mid-corner overtaking manouver but, as soon as his is upright again, its all over!
not on the bike, but here's my little 1.8L wagon burning a few cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F04DBlnLUo&t=4m
i miss that car.
first is an impreza 2.5rs, followed by a mercedes sl500, then a mercedes cls550. earlier in the video is a 280z
I just love these stories....Nice Kill....But don't be fooled for one moment in thinking a POS GS500 is going to beat any of the race rep.
Rider probably sucked.
Maybe didn't know the area
Maybe just got a ticket and doesnt want another one
Has respect for the public road you were on and didn't want to endanger innocent people by speeding.
Maybe thought it was funny to let you beat the tar out of your bike, thinking you were beating him, just letting you go knowing he'd catch up...(My Favorite)
In the end, you, not the bike, beat him, and there are way to numerous possibilities to why you did so.
I was smoking a new CBR600rr a couple of weeks ago. Guy had just bought the bike two days before. First street bike. Definately was the rider and not the ride that made the difference.
Quote from: Unsane on July 11, 2011, 03:40:51 AM
Quote from: tandersn9 on July 10, 2011, 09:15:20 AM
Anyone one else in here ever embarrassed guys on bigger bikes?
I can beat my best mate on his TLR at the traffic lights - for about 15 meters! He has been riding for many years and still has not got a handle on the 1000cc V-Twin grunt off the line, but once the clutch is out its a different story! I am right on his tailpipes thru the corners though and sometimes I will make a sneaky mid-corner overtaking manouver but, as soon as his is upright again, its all over!
for the TLR he needs to start in 2nd with the revs already up. It will launch better and be less likely to loop! Tell him to weight the front, cover the clutch and start in 2nd. see if he can get off the line a little better that way.
Define "smoke".
But, in any case, I've "smoked" an '89 FRZ1000 on my 22hp '87 SRX250, going up seaside Hwy84.
Quote from: tandersn9 on July 10, 2011, 09:15:20 AMMoral of the story, I think it's kind of a sad that some one a R6, probably the "raciest" 600, couldn't keep up with me on a gs500 :icon_rolleyes:
Anyone one else in here ever embarrassed guys on bigger bikes?
The mistake a lot of people make is thinking that ability comes from the bike. I learned to ride a motorcycle on highway 9 (popular central CA road), and one of my first observations was the reality that despite motorcycle's reputation for speed, it took some experience to ride anywhere close to as fast as I could in a car. I've met plenty of people on the street who ride sportbikes and would probably be better off (perhaps, faster even) on something with less of a track focus.
I'm the rider in the vid posted above, BTW... And most anyone could 'smoke' me on the street if they are willing to take enough risks. :)
Here's a newer vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNlTtDLHIyY
First half is riding with the A group (Fastest guys,) at about 3:00, the video is with the B group (intermediate riders.) Some amazing riding @ 2:00 from the guy who passes me.
Quote from: Fry on July 11, 2011, 05:29:02 AM
I just love these stories....Nice Kill....But don't be fooled for one moment in thinking a POS GS500 is going to beat any of the race rep.
Let me set the record straight, I'm not saying that GS is a faster bike than a 600, 1000 etc, I'm asking if people here have out ridden people on sportier bikes, I thought that my original post implied this, but i guess not... :confused:
Side point, the dude was really cool, let me take his bike out for a spin, SOOOO MUCH FUN :bowdown:
^^ Great video!
youre a psycho! :cookoo: great driving, and great videos :thumb:
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In really really twisty stuff, the GS shines - as long as - you can keep your momentum. Lose it and the 600cc and up class are small specs in the distance. The GS cannot compete on the small straights between corners.
Michael
Quote from: burning1 on July 11, 2011, 12:16:35 PM
And most anyone could 'smoke' me on the street if they are willing to take enough risks. :)
In the twisty stuff in the hills, it comes down more to whose nerve holds, rather than who has the faster bike or the Mad Skillz. If you approach a 15km/h posted corner and can just chuck it in without flinching and slowing down, you'll have the satisfaction of "smoking" most other riders. There are no prizes for this, everyone's just out to have fun and we all end up back at the same rest stop complaining about car drivers.
All the time ... oh wait, well ... atleast I am in the presence of some smoking of a bigger bike ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Gotta get rid of them chicken strips mang
WTF, the m.o.m. in the word m.o.m.entum gets turned into "I love you"? What kind of stupid ass obscenity filter is that? Serious. m.o.m is not a swear word by any stretch of the imagination sheesh. And... arrrggghhhhh..... fück it...
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Michael
A GS CANT SMOKE ANY BIKE!!!!!! with that said you can brake a lot later than most bikes and flick the bike around more than most bigger bikes. so you wont smoke them as they will out smoke you off any line but yeah in the canyons you will beat most RIDERS.
Not really true... With a few exceptions, most any modern 600 will out-handle the GS500 - it's just that being on a less powerful bike, we tend to develop cornering skills where your typical 600cc owner learns to twist the throttle. About the only advantage we have is that our bikes are slightly lighter, requiring a little less effort to flick.
I've met a number of guys who can out-corner me riding larger bikes; it's always stunning to watch them ride.
Quote from: mach1 on July 12, 2011, 10:51:35 PMwith that said you can brake a lot later than most bikes
I'm intrigued by this. I thought pretty much any modern vehicle could outbrake a GS500.
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Quote from: Cosimo_Zaretti on July 13, 2011, 11:56:25 AM
Quote from: mach1 on July 12, 2011, 10:51:35 PMwith that said you can brake a lot later than most bikes
I'm intrigued by this. I thought pretty much any modern vehicle could outbrake a GS500.
Meh... GP has a bit of lightweight fanboyism going on. What he said was partially correct, and partially incorrect for a number of reasons, and the subject is very complex.
It is not true that the GS can outbreak most bikes - like many sport bikes, peak braking force of the GS500 is limited by wheelbase, rather than the strength of the brakes, or the limits of traction of the front tire. A bike with a longer wheelbase will generally out-brake a GS500 (or other sport bike.)
Even with the stock parts, it's possible to brake hard enough to lift the rear wheel on the GS. Brake upgrades mean more consistent braking, less effort, better feel, and better heat tolerance. Ultimate power is limited by physics, though brake improvements provide more confidence and control, permitting the rider to make better use of the brakes.
When I ride the GS500 on the track, one place I make up a lot of time is under the brakes. You can see in the video posted above how often I use late braking to make a pass. A lot of this comes down to confidence; although a modern sport-bike has better brakes than the GS, the riders are also going a lot faster into the braking zone, which tends to trigger panic reactions. On the GS, I also don't carry as much speed going towards a corner, so I don't have to start applying the brakes as early. In practice though, a highly skilled rider on a sport bike could match my braking performance until trail braking comes into play.
Now, on the same tires, a 1000 and I would have about the same amount of grip going into a corner. So, I wouldn't be able to out-trail brake the 1000. In practice, with the extra weight, speed, and forces that a 1000 puts on it's tires means that the 1000 might be stuck with medium compound tires, where I can run soft or ultra soft tires. So, I can theoretically trail-brake much harder into a corner. In practice, it takes huge skill to use this advantage - although I'm a lot more confident on the brakes than a lot of riders, I'm a long way away from taking advantage of a medium compound front, never-mind an ultra-soft front.
Keep in mind that all of these advantages assume equal suspension. The stock GS500 front end will never support the kind of tire-adhesion needed to take advantage of an ultra-soft front tire. The GSX-R 600 front end I run goes a long way towards improving that situation.
Let's be realistic here... The GS500 doesn't have many advantages over a modern sport bike. It's disadvantages though, tend to force us to ride better.
I never posted the GS can out breal most bikes but since you have a lighter bike you can break at the last minute. heavier bikes will apply the breaks sooner. and I said the GS can out corner mot RIDERS. not bikes. hell I can out corner with my dads V star. its all on the riders and the GS did make me push my skills and made me a better rider on anything I ride.
Quote from: mach1 on July 12, 2011, 10:51:35 PM
A GS CANT SMOKE ANY BIKE!!!!!!
Yup. I've been smoked by a guy on a 50cc moped. Granted I was behind a mud carter and the moped scream by me where cars are normally parked before suddenly swerving in front of me, slaming on the brakes, almost losing it, and turning off. But still, he did pass me. So point proven... a GS500 cannot even smoke a 50cc moped.
But I think for smoking bikes we really should refer to the "melt the bike down and eat with my salad" thread. Cause if'n you can do that, than I see no reason why a pack of tally ho and some matches can't help you smoke bikes :dunno_black:
Michael
Quote from: mister on July 13, 2011, 10:02:07 PM
But I think for smoking bikes we really should refer to the "melt the bike down and eat with my salad" thread. Cause if'n you can do that, than I see no reason why a pack of tally ho and some matches can't help you smoke bikes :dunno_black:
Michael
Or pack one giant cone :icon_eek:
Quote from: mach1 on July 13, 2011, 07:52:03 PM
I never posted the GS can out breal most bikes but since you have a lighter bike you can break at the last minute. heavier bikes will apply the breaks sooner. and I said the GS can out corner mot RIDERS. not bikes. hell I can out corner with my dads V star. its all on the riders and the GS did make me push my skills and made me a better rider on anything I ride.
Braking later and out-braking are the same thing.... And no, the GS500's slightly reduced weight does not permit it to brake later than another heavier bike.
Fundamental coefficient of friction; the GS has less mass to slow down, it also has less weight on the tires. Lower weight means less traction. The lower stopping force required is almost exactly offset by lower traction available. And regardless, the GS500 is stoppie limited, just like every other sport/standard on the market - it might have a sight advantage over a sport bike due to the lower CoG, but it's not going to be a significant advantage.
Question: Is the gs' weight really a benefit?
After looking on Wikipedia it seems that the GS is heavier than all the 600s dry anyway, not sure about wet anyways. If I'm mistaken some one with more knowledge on this stuff please correct me!