since im not female or have 14 kids. i gotta wait until my kidneys shut down before i can get doc to look at me. well tiem is close at hand. theyre swelling now . sorry venting my frustration at the current system recently put in place :technical: :technical: :technical:
alt least in Australia we have a fairly ok medical system... anyone can see a doc at any time day or night with out money.
does have it draw tho
Hope ya get to see the doc soon - before its too bad.
Joys of the UK ~ NHS, Free service.
Quote from: vinny on August 11, 2011, 01:41:30 AM
Hope ya get to see the doc soon - before its too bad.
Joys of the UK ~ NHS, Free service.
there itisnt free. its paid via taxes any place wiht socialised med. its not free. again paid via taxes. BUT youve got it soo thats what matters. cant do anything here. until they fail pretty much its a time bomb nearing the end of its fuse. have to either grow a naughty place, or have kids i cannot afford or draw a check to qualify for medicaid. hell had a job offer lined up in NZ. shoulda took it lol. but thanks to regulations put in place by admin in last 2 years htey tell people like myself to fluck off
lol my eyes today
someone told me my eyes look like homer simpson
way my abdomen is swellign up im starting to look like him all over. im not yellow yet lol.
(http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u360/gstwin/eyesworse.jpg)
In canada, They do have paid for by taxes or they used to ... however the system was so horribly implemented that when I went there to work in 98/99 I was eligible to get medical care but my wife who was there on a dependent spouse visa was not. WTF ...
In any system, paid for by taxes or paid for @ the visit or paid for by insurance the devil is always in the details. It is all the details about who is included and for what treatment. You could well have a private run system where they will treat you for kidney failure but not for liver problems cos those can be created by yourself by drinking.
You can have gubbamint run system that can also work the same way. If I had my way, anything you can get @ a doctors office/hospitals will have full on price discovery, and they will be on the wall. The medical insurance if you got it whoever be the provider (govt or private) will reimburse you and there wont be any exeptions. You will have a price list for reimbursement depending on your policy. The doc's price will be on the wall. You will also be aware of what percentage of any treatment you are eligible to collect. Say you have a broken arm, your insurance will say 90% is covered to a max of 2K, doc has a price list where its 1000, you know right there you will pay 1g submit 1g bill to insurance and get $900. Since the $ is going out of your pocket right @ the start, you know doc a charges 1k and doc b charges 1500, so you'd do business for this item with doc a.
That is a proper system that will work in any situation. You may be poor enough to qualify for some max $ amount of care per year, obviously that is needed to keep people from dropping out of the system. It also focuses on prevention cos if you got 10k limit, you would rather get the checkup's done before big issues blow your budget in future.
Details man, that is what it is all about.
I remember though Yamahon was POOP on Nov 5th 2008 if I recall. So I think this will be of no use to him.
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somethign like htat WOULD work, except for one problem. what if no money available?, hell i look like homer simpson minue sthe yellow skin. lol. only money i make supports myself. atm. that idea/plan would work. but like i said. people out there would have a hard tiem scraping together 20 dollars let alone a grand
The details my friend. You'd have a yearly limit which is free depending on your economic situation. Sorta like more imcome = more payment ... which of course if fundamentally counter to what republicans believe in. More imcome = less taxes = our current system not put in place by Obama at all. Put in place partially by Reagan, reinforced by Bush 1, reversed partly by Clinton except for inheritance and real estate and strongly reinforced by Bush 2 who actually reinforced the real estate mistake of clinton too, and very futile'ly fought against by Obama.
You're a Prisoner of Obama's inability to close the deal, and by 20+ years of republicans having their way.
BTW that closing the deal with Obama irritates me, and I strongly believe in "dont vote it just encourages the bastards". I wonder how he managed to get with Michelle ... and maybe that's why he's not falling to the democrat's drill whoever they like where republicans drill whereever they like.
Screw this, we need Louis Hamilton for president cos he's good at forcing the issue.
How about we kidnap him, cover that front gate between his teeth and tell the public he's obama after plastic surgery and drop him off in the WH.
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Obama makes Bush kook like Einstein, he's said and done more idiotic and destructive things in 3 years than W did in 8----he's an empty suit hooked up to a telaprompter.
This is what----his 16th extravagant vacation since he took office?
I'm not gonna get into the politics fastest way for this thread to get TF'd but I will say that this is the Republican's version that they have dubbed Obamacare. There's been so many concessions to get it to pass that it is just as broken as what we have.
Right now I am fighting insurance to pay for my LifeFlight helicopter transport when I had severe myocarditis. WellCare wanted a Pre-auth for it. I'm sorry but my doctor was too busy saving my life to call you guys and go through your hoops. I'm sure my insurance company had rather I die anyways since I'm such a non contributing factor to society in their eyes. I called to file a grievance complaint. They called me in a doctor's appointment I asked them to call me back in an hour and give me their number because I knew they wouldn't call back. I called and left four messages with no reply. A couple of weeks later they send me a letter stating that I hadn't contacted regarding the grievance and there was a number listed as the grievance department. It wasn't to the department it was to the main line. The person told me the system was down and told them I didn't need to talk to this department I needed the grievance departments number so I could talk to someone there. "I'm sorry the system is down you will have to call back in an hour" "So, you can't even look up a telephone number for me" "I'll need all of your membership information for that and the system is down" Really, I am so tired of this BS that I think I am getting a PHD in banging my head on a brick wall rather than getting my BS in Psychology!
I don't know how people do this without being immensly intelligent. I've tapped every resource I can even think of and every person I can think of to get help. Which is hard when you are sick. You just have to be even more tenacious than a Marine Corps bulldog and eventually you will find help out there. It is there it just has to become your full-time job.
Mary
Yea right Obama has said stupid things come on gimme a break. That is the lovely TEA/Rep party rhetoric, and I'd really be interested in what exactly ... The real complaint with Obama is that he's continued the Bushies policy of financial cronyism. He's paid the price much more than Bush too. Bush did a great job of inflating a bubble, Obama sadly continued that same policy. Bush did stimulus, Obama signed off the last installment of stimulus and got the blame for all of the stimulus. Seriously Obama served Bush's third term as far as the economy was concerned.
I am thinking of starting a TRA party. Third rail already party. It will be staffed by people who are interested in fixing the political system and committing political suicide in their 1 term. I would join up wiht the GO party and It will be GO TRA (said like cheerleader).
It will like the founding fathers intended be filled with people in all walks of life who will do elected service for 1 term and go back to their old career, not career politicians looking for their backs. Of course that will work in 1835 when people were farmers then they got electred, then 4 years later went back to their farm. now if you leave your job to run for president, the next thing you know your job will be done by 2 donkeys and a yak in china.
Here is another question ... rhetorical of course.
In all walks of life people are wondering where people are all walking.
Oh yea one more point, Capital gains tax - that is the worlds worst term I have ever heard. Most misleading. It seems like it oughta be a really big tax. Instead it taxes Warren Buffet at 1/3rd the rate of someone who works @ McD's. It should be really termed 13% tax. Not everyone needs to pay 13% tax, yea people who develop and redevelop large swaths of urban blight will be stuck with years of work on their projects before they see returns. OK yes you are good to pay 13%. wall street exec who got a stock handout for pushing lousy junk paper deserves to pay full on income tax.
TF ... here we come.
GO TARD.
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Buddha.
I laugh when I actually read a medical bill.
There is what the doctor charges.
Then what the insurance allows - usually 60% of that.
Insurance pays most of that.
I pay the small remainder - not of the doctor bill but what the insurance allows.
So why all this goofy billing? Doctor charges one thing. Insurance pays doctor less. Doctor gets less.
Couple years ago I saw an un-doctor (chiropractor) and found I had coverage so he billed insurance $55 of which I had to pay $41. Then I discovered if I paid cash, the charge from his office was $35. He was scamming the insurance companies and I was paying more by using insurance than paying cash. He said "because of all the office work involved in billing". Well, after I brought that up there was no more "see you in a week". I caught him on a scam and he didn't want to see me any more.
I broke a tooth a couple years ago. Insurance wanted a pre-determination. OK - a tooth broke. It is not optional to fix it. Then there was a piece of tooth embedded in the lip. never could get that paid for. No pre-determination? Then it was an emergency - which dental said the wrong "code" was on the paperwork so they won't pay. Said that I have to determine the right code and re-submit. How can I know the code number? You said it was wrong - so what is it supposed to be?"Not our job to tell you". So an emergency was not covered by dental because no pre-determination and wrong code number. Medical wouldn't cover it because it was a dental issue.
Had a scratched eye once. Vision care didn't cover an emergency? Medical said it was a vision insurance issue? And of course - no pre-determination. I used to think emergencies were covered.
Insurance companies have high school drop outs with no medical training hired to stamp everything "DENIED" so you have to jump through hoops to get things paid. Put in all their other crap, paperwork, appeals, and you know why health care is so bad and costs so much: probably 50% is wasted on paperwork and "predeterminations".
Its that good old American mentality - spend $100 so you don't have to pay a $2 claim. Accountants: Staff to shuffle paper work is OK as that is "costs of doing business". Paying a claim comes from a different part of the ledger so don't pay claims. The two sides of the ledger never get compared to see how much is wasted by not paying a claim.
Seattle: Lets install an automated toll system for millions of dollars (that after 6 months still does not work) rather than manning a toll booth with a couple people for minimum wage. again - PEOPLE come from one side of the accountants ledger. Equipment and computers (and consultants) come from another area and never the twain shall meet.
Lets not even start the argument that our medical system does not pay for preventative care. Cheaper to let people die and pay only if you have to rather than pay just a little to keep them healthy. We're doing that now with education - cutting funding. We forget that education is the future and our future is now getting filled up with uneducated morons (who get to vote!)
Isn't there a country where you pay doctors to keep you healthy, so preventative care is important, and when you're sick, you stop paying until you're healthy again?
And is this racist or what? I think republicans do not want to work with Obama and blame him for everything because he is not a white male, of European protestant ancestry. (Can we say W.A.S.P. ???) When Kennedy was elected, wasn't there a big doodoo because he was the first Catholic president?
That Obama is to be removed from office cos he wasn't born in the US movement is more in the northwest than in in any other part of the country ...
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Quote from: adidasguy on August 19, 2011, 12:10:26 PM
I laugh when I actually read a medical bill.
There is what the doctor charges.
Then what the insurance allows - usually 60% of that.
Insurance pays most of that.
I pay the small remainder - not of the doctor bill but what the insurance allows.
So why all this goofy billing? Doctor charges one thing. Insurance pays doctor less. Doctor gets less.
Couple years ago I saw an un-doctor (chiropractor) and found I had coverage so he billed insurance $55 of which I had to pay $41. Then I discovered if I paid cash, the charge from his office was $35. He was scamming the insurance companies and I was paying more by using insurance than paying cash. He said "because of all the office work involved in billing". Well, after I brought that up there was no more "see you in a week". I caught him on a scam and he didn't want to see me any more.
I broke a tooth a couple years ago. Insurance wanted a pre-determination. OK - a tooth broke. It is not optional to fix it. Then there was a piece of tooth embedded in the lip. never could get that paid for. No pre-determination? Then it was an emergency - which dental said the wrong "code" was on the paperwork so they won't pay. Said that I have to determine the right code and re-submit. How can I know the code number? You said it was wrong - so what is it supposed to be?"Not our job to tell you". So an emergency was not covered by dental because no pre-determination and wrong code number. Medical wouldn't cover it because it was a dental issue.
Had a scratched eye once. Vision care didn't cover an emergency? Medical said it was a vision insurance issue? And of course - no pre-determination. I used to think emergencies were covered.
Insurance companies have high school drop outs with no medical training hired to stamp everything "DENIED" so you have to jump through hoops to get things paid. Put in all their other crap, paperwork, appeals, and you know why health care is so bad and costs so much: probably 50% is wasted on paperwork and "predeterminations".
Its that good old American mentality - spend $100 so you don't have to pay a $2 claim. Accountants: Staff to shuffle paper work is OK as that is "costs of doing business". Paying a claim comes from a different part of the ledger so don't pay claims. The two sides of the ledger never get compared to see how much is wasted by not paying a claim.
Seattle: Lets install an automated toll system for millions of dollars (that after 6 months still does not work) rather than manning a toll booth with a couple people for minimum wage. again - PEOPLE come from one side of the accountants ledger. Equipment and computers (and consultants) come from another area and never the twain shall meet.
Lets not even start the argument that our medical system does not pay for preventative care. Cheaper to let people die and pay only if you have to rather than pay just a little to keep them healthy. We're doing that now with education - cutting funding. We forget that education is the future and our future is now getting filled up with uneducated morons (who get to vote!)
Isn't there a country where you pay doctors to keep you healthy, so preventative care is important, and when you're sick, you stop paying until you're healthy again?
And is this racist or what? I think republicans do not want to work with Obama and blame him for everything because he is not a white male, of European protestant ancestry. (Can we say W.A.S.P. ???) When Kennedy was elected, wasn't there a big doodoo because he was the first Catholic president?
hell if youre doing anythign south of blowing sunshine up obamas ass, youre deemed a racist even though none of that crap fits the racism definition per-se
And if you're black and disagree with his destructive completely ineffective runaway spending and policies you are called a sellout, Tom, or house Ni**er. If you are one of the thousands of disappointed liberals and independents jumping ship daily, you are a traitor. As he becomes more and more desperate of losing his hold on the base, his speeches become more and more laughably pathetic.
went to walk in clinic today. they scared the hell out of me. she wants emto have an MRI among other tests done. abdomen is tender to the touch. looks flabbly/swollen but tight too. and kidneys are well messed up she woudlnt even allow me anythign for sleep says it may mess up or mask underlying problems. so ive got to finish week out before i go in. well next few days. she said liver felt odd? among other htings. never een her concernedliek this before. anyways jsut an update lol :angel:
Quote from: The Buddha on August 19, 2011, 11:18:22 AM
Yea right Obama has said stupid things come on gimme a break. That is the lovely TEA/Rep party rhetoric, and I'd really be interested in what exactly ... The real complaint with Obama is that he's continued the Bushies policy of financial cronyism. He's paid the price much more than Bush too. Bush did a great job of inflating a bubble, Obama sadly continued that same policy. Bush did stimulus, Obama signed off the last installment of stimulus and got the blame for all of the stimulus. Seriously Obama served Bush's third term as far as the economy was concerned.
I am thinking of starting a TRA party. Third rail already party. It will be staffed by people who are interested in fixing the political system and committing political suicide in their 1 term. I would join up wiht the GO party and It will be GO TRA (said like cheerleader).
It will like the founding fathers intended be filled with people in all walks of life who will do elected service for 1 term and go back to their old career, not career politicians looking for their backs. Of course that will work in 1835 when people were farmers then they got electred, then 4 years later went back to their farm. now if you leave your job to run for president, the next thing you know your job will be done by 2 donkeys and a yak in china.
Here is another question ... rhetorical of course.
In all walks of life people are wondering where people are all walking.
Oh yea one more point, Capital gains tax - that is the worlds worst term I have ever heard. Most misleading. It seems like it oughta be a really big tax. Instead it taxes Warren Buffet at 1/3rd the rate of someone who works @ McD's. It should be really termed 13% tax. Not everyone needs to pay 13% tax, yea people who develop and redevelop large swaths of urban blight will be stuck with years of work on their projects before they see returns. OK yes you are good to pay 13%. wall street exec who got a stock handout for pushing lousy junk paper deserves to pay full on income tax.
TF ... here we come.
GO TARD.
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Buddha.
real estate problem started wiht that peanut farmer from GA . wiht teh community reinvestment act. and helped along by EVERY pres since. including obummer. way thigns are going i wont make '12. seriously. doc at clinic wants me at a doc who can test my liver functions as well as kidney dysfuctions etc. im f%&ked. thats to obamas restrictions put in place these last two years, i have ot be female to get medicaid. have to have children thru my naughty place that doesnt exist. that i coudl nto afford anyways. BUT regarding ER. i go in they will do nothing. i have ot wait until i code. again. i cant get into a doctor becasue i was on pain medication. from last doctor. so new docs wont see me. wont accept me. im like damn i could use them being a 9 out of ten when trying to sleep brings me almost to the edge. anyhoo. more im upright more swollen my eyelids get as well as the orbits. aka sockets . thank you LW politicians for screwing up what i had. i was in beter health until they messed up the insurance program here in TN. and now im almsot 2 years into a disability claim. which is hte ONLY way ill stay alive. the ONLY way. only other way is forme to have cancer or kidney failure. which im approaching lol. cancer runs in family as well. hit everyone BUT my siblings and me. as ell as maternal grandfather. FFS i give up lol :technical:
Well I am not sure about the details in your situation, but say 3 years ago, did you ahve the same health situation and got better medical treatment ? Or are you just hypothesizing ?
The first slice of Obama care went in just a few months ago, it has pre existing conditions non exempt, and stay on parents plan after college till 27 - I think.
Maybe the same system was always in place you just didn't get deep enough to find out. Or your state has subverted something, the federal govt moves at snails pace. Bushies policy is just fading out, in some cases. New laws and the subsequent regulations take years. I remember watching the immigration quota in the late 90's, took 3 bloody years to take effect cos there was delays in all sorts of things including clerical delays (as in someone had to type it into their computer).
State govts OTOH, decide we dont have budget and we're axing 5000 teachers and it happens in a few months, then there is the oops ... we have a few mill more ... lets hire 500 teachers. Yes it all happened in NC in the span of 3-4 months.
You may have any one of these things happening or not, I am sure I cannot change your stand, and dont care to, however find out what it is tha tis holding your situation and act on that. My wife used to work in the housing authority back in 2002, yes 2 years into the Bush administration. She had a person not show up for an interview, she called to check and reschedule and they told her he had just died. She goes OK I'll make a note of it, but they say, we've waited for 3+ years for this and we really need it, could we transfer it to my mom's name, and sadly there was no allowance to do it, they had to reapply and wait 3 more years. Yea so lets blame Bush for that.
BTW The HA people had no idea that if they had written up the application as "Mr John Doe and family" instead of Mr John Doe, it was an automatic transfer with death. You dont want to be hung up in a situation like that.
However I must tell you the over stretched safety net of the country has the "women and children first" philosophy. Singles esp men sadly take the total back seat. You must sorta be in favor of a big safetly net that isn't stretched so thin. So That = taxes and directing it to social programs. Both of which are criticised by Republican/TEA partiers as "Tax and spend" liberal agenda. I suspect you are a "Prisoner of Obama's Inability to Spend on Social Programs". POISSP Not POOP. But hey you're free to hold any view you like.
Want a small govt, with that goes a small safety net.
Want a Scandinavian style safety net ? if you do you will be called a commie by the TEA partiers.
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Buddha.
Just remember that we have to pass this 2000 page monstrosity ( that sucked 500 billion out of medicare ) to find out what's in it, and now that we are finding out that every company and it's brother is begging to opt out because it's a giant job killer and financial disaster. It's also a giant payoff to Obama supporters and lobbyists who insured his election.
Almost all of the things that Obama trashed Bush for during the campaign he still has in place (remember the Gitmo promise ), except for the fact that we are 4 times deeper in debt and he has added two more wars-----BTW, where is the Cindy Sheehan that camped out at Bush's ranch over Iraq, where are all the liberal anti war people when you really need them?
Tell me, what exactly is better now than under Bush? I mean aside from twice as many stupidisms on youtube in half as many years----can you even imagine if Bush had said he had been to all 57 states, we'd still be hearing about it.
I really don't think America wants 4 more years of nothing but excuses, blame Bush, higher taxes, and a president who take 8 taxpayer funded extravagant vacations a year.
The 500 billion out of medicare is a myth, first off, start cutting medicare and guess what the whole medical system starts getting cheaper. Really dude, In India they manage wihtout a govt funded medicare/medicaid. The reason is much the same as what caused the housing bubble. Loose and easy $ = expensive and unneccesary bureaucracy to suck up the $. And, none of that has occoured yet. The 2000 page doc has 2 provisions that have gone into effect so far. Yamahon is affected by neither.
Trashing bush - gitmo closure - its not a freaking 7/11 dude. If any prison had allowed gitmo prisoner transfer it would have happened. No one wants these prisoners ... and Obama cant pay the states enough $ for it, congress has more of the small govt idea they are enforcing. 2 more wars - well atleast he didn't lie about Nu-culure weapons ... Cindy Sheehan or any other crusading TEA party/Republican/evangelist mom isn't crusading against Obama cos Obama hasn't done nothing to initiate any of these wars, he was criticised for sitting on the sidelines too lonog in libya nearly costing the rebels the war ... he's been criticised for sitting out syria, yemen etc all because Bushies lied about the evidence and involved us in Iraq. Without that there would ahve been a decisive US involvement in Libya, and Gadhafi will ahve been cremated by now ,and we'd have a good inside track in libya instead of being behind the europeans. The antiwar protesters are rightly keeping quiet, they know they have not been fooled into a war.
Huge difference between starting a war under false pretences (lies) and giving support to a fledgling country toss a oppressive dictator after the civil war had begun without western involvement.
4 times deeper in debt - really, Lets see, surplus under clinton, just about 13 trillion as of the last days under Bush and 14.4 trillion now ... Yep, 14.4/13 = 4 correct.
Bush has put policies in that are now possible to back out cos congress is deadlocked. Bush also took vacations, and in fact bush was famous for being 9-5 president. Clinton was the only workaholic president, in fact not even leaving his desk to get a good BJ :icon_twisted:.
The excuses are valid, the TEA/Reps are not about compromise, they are about furthering their own agenda which is lower taxes, smaller govt etc etc ... which I totally agree with, however if you remember this post was about yamahon's medical condition and how he wasn't getting the care he needs to live. I dont see your cut cut cut TEA/Reps helping him ... maybe if the TEA/Rep's take the WH and both houses ... Yamahon will feel so happy he will recover - but the point is, medically he will not have had done whatever was needed ...
Much as I blame Obama for not doing several things, there is a huge chunk of the blame that needs to go to congress.
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Buddha.
I can't add anything to help Yama, I think he has slipped through the cracks and neither president's policies would have helped.
This administration is so far off the charts it's impossible to defend without making things up---just look back over his appointees and now defunct appointees, it boggles the mind---tax cheats in charge of our tax system ( he either can't figure out Turbo Tax or he cheated--take your pick )---Polosi, Geitner, Barney Frank, this entire administration is a total disaster, these and others would be hilarious ( and an endless supply of material for Bill Mayher if he was on the other side ) if it weren't so dangerous. You have any amazing storehouse of Obama talking points, I'll give you that.
Again---big picture----how are things better now?
He appointed pelosi to what ? Pelosi was elected by her constituents and add Harry Reid to that list too and was in congress long before Obama was born ...
Geitner was appointed by Bush. Get your facts straight - courtesy Wikipedia -
- In October 2003, at age 42,[19] he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.[20] His salary in 2007 was $398,200.[21] As President of the New York Fed, he served as Vice Chairman of the Federal Open Market Committee. In 2006, he also became a member of the Washington-based financial advisory body, the Group of Thirty.[22] In May 2007, he worked to reduce the capital required to run a bank.[19] In November he rejected Sanford Weill's offer to take over as Citigroup's chief executive.[19]
In March 2008, he arranged the rescue and sale of Bear Stearns.[14][23] In the same year, he played a supporting role to Henry Paulson, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, in the decision to bail out AIG just two days after deciding not to rescue Lehman Brothers from bankruptcy. Some Wall Street CEOs subsequently expressed the opinion that decisions in which Geithner participated, especially the failure to rescue Lehman, contributed to worsening the global financial crisis.[24] As a Treasury official, he helped manage multiple international crises of the 1990s[16] in Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia, South Korea, and Thailand.[17]
Then -
During the 2008 Presidential election, Geithner was one of three people tipped to be nominated for Treasury Secretary regardless of whether John McCain or Barack Obama won.[1] On November 24, 2008, then-President-elect Barack Obama announced his intention to nominate Geithner to be Treasury Secretary.[25][26]
This is one situation where Obama followed bush, just as McCain would have. I'd have liked to see someone else - like Elizabeth Warren in that position, however it cannot ever be said Tim Geitner wasn't qualified.
Barney Frank: really ... What did Obama do with BF ? From 2007 to 2011, Frank served as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, where he remains the ranking Democrat. 2007, if I recall Obama wasn't in the WH then. Again continuity that Obama gets blamed for.
Or do you mean Dodd-Frank ? They were both in congress longer than Obama has been alive. They have also been on the Fin ways and means cmtee longer than you and I have been on this earth. Obama did nothing with those 2.
Now, DF the legislation is a toothless legislation that tells people there should be a barn door well after the horse has bolted. The fact that it was crafted when Bush was in the WH and submitted to bush before the Financial crisis which he ignored, till the cirsis collapsed the system, following which it was re written, sent to Obama in 09 approved and has riled up the TEA/Rep's ever since.
If you ever read it, it is about how banks should set aside funds to manage their exposure and how they mark to market (which was abruptly dropped in 2008 by bush/paulson) ... DF is toothless, as implemented it will serve as a minor speed bump to financial mishandling by major financial institutions, and TEA/Reps who are funded by The Koch Brothers are up in arms about it. Its like using a nu-culur weapon to kill a mosquito.
Carl Rove and Koch brothers have bought all the sound bites you're hearing. TEA party is a true astroturf organisation, they have got the super rich a tax cut given under bush and they have it locked in.
However if we believe the uber rich need to be taxed less, maybe we should also send the doctors to their houses to take care of their health, after all they are creating jobs ... or they will be if not for Obama's meddling ... so they do need the health care 100%.
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Buddha.
Debt - Courtesy wikipaedia.
The public debt has increased by over $500 billion each year since fiscal year (FY) 2003, with increases of $1 trillion in FY2008, $1.9 trillion in FY2009, and $1.7 trillion in FY2010.[3] As of August 3, 2011, the gross debt was $14.34 trillion dollars.
03 - 09 - remember fiscal year 09 starts in september 08. And the budget is done well ahead of september actually, like april. So 09 entriely falls @ the feet of the incompetents put in the office by Bush. Sadly Obama didn't change it, however can you even imagine, the next year it shrunk by over 10% ... 1.9 to 1.7 ... and that in the middle of a financial crisis with a huge push to stimulate.
I'll try to find 2011 numbers but I suspect its lower than 2010.
So more of blaming Obama for what Bush did.
Oh, no of course not, bush had no Idea, Cheney did all that, yes Bush was just the simpleton in the Oval office. Cheney give him paper ith big words, Bush sign it, and it goes away by magic.
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I see the "Change" I don't see the "Hope", Again, how are things better now? We voted for things to get better, not for excuses, blame, and disaster.
Quote from: ojstinson on August 23, 2011, 01:06:04 PM
I see the "Change" I don't see the "Hope", Again, how are things better now? We voted for things to get better, not for excuses, blame, and disaster.
Good point, very good point, and compare it to what the situation was when Bushies left.
1. No impending financial collapse.
2. No bigger drop in real estate.
3. No dead auto companies.
4. No shuttered schools, and all govt institutions.
5. No dead banks and runs on them.
6. Worse than a AA+ rating on US credit.
All of these were possibilities and I must say not all were things I didn't want ... a couple of these will ahve worked great for us ... however in continuing Bush's stimulus plan (no blame for bush, credit for bush which irks democrats no end BTW) and following other parallel ideas these have been averted.
You dont see things better ... cos you're not uber rich, and with Bush/Rep/TEA you'd ahve had it worse ... If you were uber rich, you'd be just a shade worse off now than you woould ahve been with 4 more years of bush ... hence like the koch brothers you are mad.
Things better now than 3 years ago is a myth. The only comparison is things as they are now vs what they will ahve been with 4 more Bushies years. That unless you are Uber rich is positive.
BTW several safety nets ahve been expanded under Obama, unemployment extended to 99 weeks from 26 is one that comes to mind.
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OK, I see all that, but the extensions can be seen as a plus as well as a minus---a plus for those who want to work and need the extra time to retool and get back into the work force, and a minus as a perpetuation of the parasitic lifestyle of those with no ambition to continue to exploit the system.
I see Yama's situation as very sad and depressing, I just hope that somehow he is able to get the help he needs.
Bush's fault blah blah blah.
Years ago, BEFORE Bush's 2nd term I wrote a piece about the impending housing/financial collapse that was Inevitable thanks to the CLINTON / GREENSPAN monetary tricks that made things look good but set up a fall After They Left the scene. I predicted the house falling to the Dems (as happened) and actually figured the collapse would come in Bush's 2nd Term and it would be Blamed on him and the GOP would be outed as a result. BUT, if the Dems won that, then They would be blamed, only do 1 term and then the GOP would be back in.
It's not quite that, but pretty close - and people do love to blame Bush for all their woes.
Interestingly, there is a fellow who did some Stockmarket research regarding Birth Rates. He offset the birth rates by 40 or 50 years and then overlayed that chart over the stockmarket chart. Almost a perfect match. Meaning, a 3 or 4 year spike in births correlated with a 3 or 4 year spike in the stock market 40 to 50 years later. The Baby Boomers was a Massive birth rate spike followed by quite a lull. In his chart this results in, a stock market down turn somewhere between 2008 and 2010 with as long as 15 years of subdued performance.
So far, his chart has been accurate. So if this was laid down all those years ago, still gonna blame Bush, Obama, or the next POTUS Mitt Romney? Who you gonna blame in 5 years time when things are still not fixed?
And if you do feel like Blaming the various POTUS' over the years you are missing the warning given by Dwight Eisenhower "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."
JFK followed and then proceeded to upset this MIC by wanting out of Vietnam and ordering the Fed Res to issue money without the usual interest attached to it as it does. Plus tax cuts for ALL. Conspiracy or not, he is thus summarily assassinated.
The POTUS is nothing more than a political puppet to the MIC and Big $. The Blame Game is designed to hide the true culprits behind it all. Blame this POTUS or that POTUS all you like, it's the Hidden String Pullers you should be blaming.
Michael
Guys once again this post was about how Yamahon didn't have a way to get any medical attention unless he was about to die.
I think it is a social safety net issue plain and simple.
Small govt = small safety net, which = small tax footprint ... aka something I would love cos I am paying taxes and not receiving squat except for the stupid repaving of roads that weren't dead to start with while dead roads stay that way.
However Yamahon could use the flip side of that safety net is what I was trying to say.
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Quote from: mister on August 23, 2011, 03:27:11 PM
Blame this POTUS or that POTUS all you like, it's the Hidden String Pullers you should be blaming.
Michael
Correct, none of them work for the citizenry. They work for 1 set of uber rich or the other ... that includes the TEA party ... especially the TEA party. True astro turf organisation @ its best. Bought and laid in my the Koch bros.
The uber rich pay for their ability to speak and influence the masses. That is what campaign financing is all about. Honestly I'd vote for the guy who has the least campainging and the least ads etc ... that is the guy who has been bought the least.
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alot of it needs to go to congress buddha. regardless of whos taking what out of medicaid. its taken out. regs put in place DURING last 2 years, files me into hte eff of category. i cant blame that on bush at all. well no, maybe a lil. systems been in place for decades. so all including clinton and others of his side shares it too. all since its inception shares a portion of hte blame. presidents, congress and state governors
Yea we do have a real lack of a safety net. Yes clintstone did a lot of the damage with his "welfare to work" program ... by cutting off social safety nets ...
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Quote from: The Buddha on August 25, 2011, 04:50:05 AM
Yea we do have a real lack of a safety net. Yes clintstone did a lot of the damage with his "welfare to work" program ... by cutting off social safety nets ...
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well that sounded almsot good on paper. theres been people doe decades milking the cash cow every month who could work. i delayed trying to get disability too long because of pride. now i have to fight like hell to even haev a chance of getting somehting out of it. that ive paid into for 2 decades
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on August 25, 2011, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: The Buddha on August 25, 2011, 04:50:05 AM
Yea we do have a real lack of a safety net. Yes clintstone did a lot of the damage with his "welfare to work" program ... by cutting off social safety nets ...
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well that sounded almsot good on paper. theres been people doe decades milking the cash cow every month who could work. i delayed trying to get disability too long because of pride. now i have to fight like hell to even haev a chance of getting somehting out of it. that ive paid into for 2 decades
Man it almost sounds lke you're asking for people to be ... I dunno ... Honest.
The disabilty abuse, the social security pyramid etc etc are all going to collapse when the underlying population stops paying into it. Retiring baby boomers will get that started here in a few years. However that isn't going to get you any help. A better social safety net written into the laws will do something ... But again details ...
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yeahno shaZam!. hell ill prlly be dead bythe time im f%$king approved lol
A scandinavian style safety net is a very nice concept I must admit ... tempting ... but can you imagine the abuse ... Heck even there they complain about it.
Yamahon hope you get the help you need.
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In a few years I need to get my son on whatever broke system we got in place ... I cant decide who will screw up less ... the tax and spend liberals, or the "corporations are people too" Republicans.
I can see the system working if several companies are left in the marketing of healthcare ... in fact I'd like to see the retail like market place ... there is Walmart, but if you dont like their Quality ... step up to target ... or if you need tools ... try harbor freight, heck even ebay ... somehow healthcare needs that sorta free for all type free market ... sadly the first time its implemented ... it will have no competetion ... and be given to 1 big company with big gubbamint contracts ... like Haliburton/Blackwater.
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Quote from: ojstinson on August 23, 2011, 02:57:19 PM
OK, I see all that, but the extensions can be seen as a plus as well as a minus---a plus for those who want to work and need the extra time to retool and get back into the work force, and a minus as a perpetuation of the parasitic lifestyle of those with no ambition to continue to exploit the system.
I see Yama's situation as very sad and depressing, I just hope that somehow he is able to get the help he needs.
regarding government motors, err GM, should have let them go bankrupt FIRST then bail them out. it neutralises all contrats, aka starting anew. UAW brought alot of this on themselves. breaking it down by parts, UAW wanted more. without putting anythign in. WHILE GM is losing money. dont think it would be asking too much for them to put in something. since this admin. wants to Buddha Loves You about illegal wars that congress voted into being, ( afghanistan and iraq,) lets talk about libya, the ONLY illegal war out there. congress never voted on it. some say it wasnt war. ( LW ppl mostly. ) however ill respectfully disagree. heres why. our guys and others in the coalition, were firing weapons INTO a soverign nation. which in the civilised world is an act of war. Grated it appears to have a good outcome. , pres. funnyface appears to be gone. funy thing is, since obamas ppl wont call this a war, and since htey put it in natos hands, they cant claim victory lol. ( helps to get ppl re-elected lol)
Gubbamint Motors ... well yea we could start there ... however remember the whole AIG -> Goldman sachs bail out was almost 10X the GM outlay and that was driven by a bush WH with Bush appointees in the treasury and FED, remember @ that time there was no Obama on the horizon, and the GM outlay driven by a Obama WH is being paid back via many means including warrants <- Big deal ... look up warrants on wikipaedia and how chryslers bailout in the 70's made so much $ for the gubbamint from where they never expected ...
Anyway The end tax payer cost to AIG will be near 100 times the cost of GM ... in fact GM when all said and done will be a gain ... give it a few years till those warrants are cashed in ...
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You know I find it amazing how those that are not disabled always say how easy it is to get the "cash cow" disability. I can assure you it is not a cash cow by any stretch of the imagination. As I sit here writing this I'm doing without dinner because my disability doesn't come in until tomorrow. The disability doesn't cover all of my bills and I have to work part-time because I want to eat somehow $16 in Food Stamps doesn't buy alot of food that someone in CHF can eat. My job is literally killing me so I'm attempting to go back to school because I'm tired of being below the poverty level. One day I would love to have a garage and a place to live without roommates or not have to worry if I can buy food when I am hungry.
I was turned down for my disability while getting a heart transplant evaluation. I'm young and educated so I couldn't be disabled. I finally had to get a lawyer and file an appeal the judge approved my case based on the fact I had been hospitalized 43 times the previous year. Three years after I got disability I had to do a medical review and face the fear of losing health insurance and without medication I'd probably be dead within a couple of months.
I'm sorry Yama has to go through this but there are resources out there you just have to be tenacious enough to stick to the search. When I didn't have insurance I was on the net 2-3 hours a day researching then going out and talking with RNs case workers, my local representative you name it. I strongly suggest Yama look up who ever his district representative is and speak with the secretary and explain what is going on. You would be amazed what a letter from a Reps office will do to the state welfare department. She had an issue that I had been fighting months for fixed completely in 2 e-mails (she was miffed she had to send a second e-mail even).I was dumbstruck how easily she got it done. Never give up the fight as long as you are breathing!
Mary
Obama gets the blame for the "personal mandate" in the healthcare bill.
Thank god some states are moving to deem it unconstitutional, sadly my local morons are not.
This is the advantage of some legislation being so far off base ... it will get the court system riled up and will get kicked out ... however the disturbing thing is ... the reason why it was put in there by Obama in the first place.
That is the direct result of the insurance lobby's power. That is why I would oppose it. Insurance companies wrote it in the legislation basically.
Worse yet, the NC moron's have done that exact same thing in the local system. Why is more important usually than the what.
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Quote from: The Buddha on September 02, 2011, 10:24:22 AM
Obama gets the blame for the "personal mandate" in the healthcare bill.
Thank god some states are moving to deem it unconstitutional, sadly my local morons are not.
This is the advantage of some legislation being so far off base ... it will get the court system riled up and will get kicked out ... however the disturbing thing is ... the reason why it was put in there by Obama in the first place.
That is the direct result of the insurance lobby's power. That is why I would oppose it. Insurance companies wrote it in the legislation basically.
Worse yet, the NC moron's have done that exact same thing in the local system. Why is more important usually than the what.
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thing is i can get on NC madicaid MOSTLY right now. but cant afford to relocate. my "job" is under the radar , that i dont exist on teh payroll. since i cant get foodstamps this is how i eat. ( shooting for SSI, a qualification for medicaid lol)