Last night at 2am, we learned that our family pet was killed by a car. It was a hit and run.
I can only ask each one of you to pay attention out on the road for animals in a car or a bike.
If something does happen, please stop, don't run.
Sorry to hear about this.
sorry for your families loss, family pets can be hard to lose. my parents just recently lost two chocolate labs. Not to an accident tho, old age.
I almost hit a turtle on my way into work today....i had just missed it. Had it been a squirrel it would of propped it self under my front tire. damn squirrels!
Why was the family pet out running around at 2am? You don't often hear of pets being run over inside the house or in a fenced yard.
Quote from: VerdonD952 on June 23, 2012, 08:00:23 AM
I almost hit a turtle on my way into work today....i had just missed it. Had it been a squirrel it would of propped it self under my front tire. damn squirrels!
Lots of turtles where I live. I'm really afraid to find out what would happen if I hit one while riding.
"Swiper" the cat was a rescue from the county SPCA. She took a liking to my 3 year old son. We got her last November. Immediately, she fit in.
She spent 1/2 of the time inside and 1/2 of the time outside. Whenever she needed to come inside she would sit on our covered front porch.
Last night was like any other. Except she was not on the porch when I went to bed (not abnormal). The wife was out with the girls, and would be home soon, so I thought nothing of it.
2am I was awoken to my wife very distraught. The cat was hit on the road by a car. She was buried immediately. I think the hardest part was telling our son. 3 is young to experience death.
Been over the events of the night 100 times...very unfortunate.
Pet cats should Never be let outside, there is no reason for them to ever be outside---the reasons are too numerous to mention. I think you have all the reasons you need already.
OJ, ease up a little man. cant you see they just lost a member of the family?
cats are great outside animals, especially if you live in the country. They almost always come back. It is unfortunate that the poor kitty was hit. In my experience if you dont let the cat out, they start to go a little crazy, they need to rome and poop on your neighbors steps! they like to hunt and leave dead body parts in your muddy boots on the front porch. IMHO, there is not reason to not let the cat outside, with one exception....city cats! don't let your kitty wonder around your apt complex. too many Chinese restaurants in citys, you think thats pork your eating?!?!
3 years old is tough to experience death, But i think its harder on the parents then the kids. A stuffed kitty may help.
When it's our turn to go, it's our turn. The cat could have easily snuck out with the same end result. Been over the events 100 times. What could I have done differently? What could my wife have done differently?
I think we know now what went wrong. The outcome was unfortunate.
Just be safe out there and watch for animals. That was the original beginning point of the post, and I'll end with it. Good day everyone.
We have friends with a farm with feral cats which disappear on a regular basis ~ the kids understanding of pet animal mortality is quite advanced at an early age.
Verdon, the country is the worst, almost everything out there eats cats Eagles, coyotes, raccoons, and even large owls, my neighbor and several down the road have lost cats that way. Ask any cat expert and they will tell you that cats should never be outdoors unsupervised.
Quote from: ojstinson on June 23, 2012, 05:09:51 PM
Ask any cat expert and they will tell you that cats should never be outdoors unsupervised.
i believe your confusing cats with children. and how would you "supervise" a cat?? your not one of those people that has your cat on a leash??? I bet you put a leash on you kid at the mall too.
but as to not start some flame war on cats. we will have to agree to disagree.
It's really very simple, if you absolutely MUST have your cat outside in the yard do it while you are out there and can watch it, when you come in bring the cat in. I have never had a cat or a human on a leash, I have never even had a collar on any of my cats. I have had 3 cats for over 12 years now, the only time I ever let one of my cats out was when I first got my first cat, he was playing in the front yard ( nice neighborhood ) for 15 minutes and wound up shot through his left eye with an air gun pellet, the pellet is still lodged in his brain and he is blind in that eye. Since that day 12 years ago none of my cats have set foot outside and they are perfectly happy. Dogs kill cats, people kill and torture cats, cars kill cats, animal borne diseases kill cats, and wild animals kill and eat cats----how many of these things are likely to harm a cat who remains inside a house?
Quote from: jestercinti on June 23, 2012, 12:21:58 PM
When it's our turn to go, it's our turn. The cat could have easily snuck out with the same end result. Been over the events 100 times. What could I have done differently? What could my wife have done differently?
I think we know now what went wrong. The outcome was unfortunate.
Just be safe out there and watch for animals. That was the original beginning point of the post, and I'll end with it. Good day everyone.
ive been there and dealt with this too. ive got both inside and outside cats. and a couple that does both. my condolences. the old guard finally came to an end almost a year ago. @22yo all of them died one by one. in short order. was hard to deal with. but now have 3 others. 1 @2yo, one @ 1.5, and one @ 14yo.
Quote from: ojstinson on June 24, 2012, 04:34:10 PM
It's really very simple, if you absolutely MUST have your cat outside in the yard do it while you are out there and can watch it, when you come in bring the cat in. I have never had a cat or a human on a leash, I have never even had a collar on any of my cats. I have had 3 cats for over 12 years now, the only time I ever let one of my cats out was when I first got my first cat, he was playing in the front yard ( nice neighborhood ) for 15 minutes and wound up shot through his left eye with an air gun pellet, the pellet is still lodged in his brain and he is blind in that eye. Since that day 12 years ago none of my cats have set foot outside and they are perfectly happy. Dogs kill cats, people kill and torture cats, cars kill cats, animal borne diseases kill cats, and wild animals kill and eat cats----how many of these things are likely to harm a cat who remains inside a house?
WOW. Your cats definitely need to stay indoors then and if it makes YOU happy then you should keep them inside. After all they are your pets.
We have had 2 cats in our family. One was definitely indoors and would never set foot outdoors even when the door was open. He was put to sleep a few years ago because of age. The other spends half his times indoors and outdoors. He comes home at night to eat and rest with our kids and play with our dog. He then wants to leave in the morning to do whatever he needs to do which includes bringing and leaving at the door various local animals (rabbits, voles, birds and ocassionally a squirrel). He's the happiest cat but if he was to go then I feel it was his time. All our animals have been neutered and have their vaccinations. We routinely put flea and tick medicine on the cat since he spends half his time outdoors.
We also have friends who have ferrel cats and they spend most their time outdoors and are very affectionate.
Anyways it depends on the situation.
That's a good way to look at it, I should just think of it as being my cat's "time" to get his eye shot out by a couple of neighborhood brats. What if it isn't your cat's time to go, what if it's just your cat's time to get his face chewed off by a stray dog and you have to watch him suffer while you spend a bundle getting him treated or putting him out of his misery.
Again, how many of these things would happen to your cat inside the house?
And also, be working on your "it was his time to go" speech to your kids when the unthinkable happens, that always makes them feel better. And be sure and let us all know so we can feel sorry for you and the grieving family.
Quote from: ojstinson on June 25, 2012, 10:38:42 AM
That's a good way to look at it, I should just think of it as being my cat's "time" to get his eye shot out by a couple of neighborhood brats. What if it isn't your cat's time to go, what if it's just your cat's time to get his face chewed off by a stray dog and you have to watch him suffer while you spend a bundle getting him treated or putting him out of his misery.
Again, how many of these things would happen to your cat inside the house?
And also, be working on your "it was his time to go" speech to your kids when the unthinkable happens, that always makes them feel better. And be sure and let us all know so we can feel sorry for you and the grieving family.
You're absolutely right. The cat was outside, and away from the safe confines of my home. My wife and I are equally responsible for what happened, and the past cannot be changed, unfortunately.
We live in a cold, cruel world where things like this happen. It looks like we both learned the hard way with our pets: Accident or intentional, sometimes bad things happen to good people.
Ride safe Ojstinson.
Well, I really tried to stay out of it but oh well. . .
"Dogs kill cats, people kill and torture cats, cars kill cats, animal borne diseases kill cats, and wild animals kill and eat cats"
Yes, all of these things "could" happen to your cat if you let them outside. But what's the point of living if you constantly live in fear? This applies not only to animals, but people as well.
You ride your motorcycle at great risk. You are far more likely to die or be seriously injured in ANY kind of accident that happens on your bike than if you only drove a car. For you, the enjoyment of riding your motorcycle far outweighs the increased risk that goes along with it. The enjoyment my cats get from being outside also far outweighs the risk associated with it. Who wants to be a prisoner? Not my cats, that's for sure. Any time they do manage to sneak in the house, they're clawing at the door within the hour to get back out.
At this point, You're cats should not be outside at all. They have no idea how to take care of themselves in the outside world . But living in the house has its own risks too. There are wires they could chew on, cleaning chemicals, household plants can be toxic, human foods that can be toxic, furniture that can be toppled by their climbing antics. . . Maybe you should lock them in cages to keep them from that potential harm as well.
But then what kind of life would that be?
Quote from: jestercinti on June 25, 2012, 11:01:33 AM
You're absolutely right. The cat was outside, and away from the safe confines of my home. My wife and I are equally responsible for what happened, and the past cannot be changed, unfortunately.
We live in a cold, cruel world where things like this happen. It looks like we both learned the hard way with our pets: Accident or intentional, sometimes bad things happen to good people.
Ride safe Ojstinson.
Amen Jester, no good can come from letting your cat out, I do hope you adopt another homeless kitty and keep it happy as a clam inside and safe for many many years.
Another good point to consider.
"There is no question that birds are better off when cats stay indoors. Exact numbers are unknown, but scientists estimate that every year in the United States alone, cats kill hundreds of millions of birds, and more than a billion small mammals, including rabbits, squirrels, and chipmunks. Feline predators include both domestic cats that spend time outdoors and stray cats that live in the wild, sometimes as part of a colony.
Life for outdoor cats is risky. They can get hit by cars; attacked by dogs, other cats, coyotes or wildlife; contract fatal diseases, such as rabies, feline distemper, or feline immunodeficiency virus; get lost, stolen, or poisoned; or suffer during severe weather conditions. Outdoor cats lead considerably shorter lives on average than cats kept exclusively indoors".
I have cats.They go in and out. All my cats have done that. Previous 4 lives 17 years.
They enjoy going in and out.
What you do for your pets is up to you. Let's not all freak out and try to impose personal beliefs on everyone else.
So cat's eat a bird. Its all a part of nature.
Cats eat rodents. That is also a part of nature and balances the environment.
When man steps in and attempts to impose certain beliefs on nature, things go wrong.
One cause of the black plague was rodents carrying fleas which carried the disease. the abundance of rodents was due to fear of cats (especially black ones) so the killing of cats removed a predator for the rodents and the rodent population skyrocketed and the plague spread.
If you are worried about a bird being killed, how are you going to impose that on all of nature so no bird gets killed? Start feeding the owls and eagles so they don't eat smaller birds? Let the mice and rats run rampant because you don't want one to ever be killed by another animal? So with overpopulation they die of starvation so what do you do now? Let nature be nature. animals eat, die, kill others and poop on your head as they fly over.
Lets let each care for their pets as they wish.
I would prefer a happy, active cat that goes in and out for 12 years over a bored, lazy indoor cat for 15 years. I know my cats are happy outside. They come out and hang with me in the bike cave. They like that. Before they git a kitty door, they would be at the door whimpering like sad puppies. They wanted to be outside with me. They were unhappy being left inside. I would be devastated if one got run over. On the other hand, by going in and out they are happy, active and healthy. They can get sat on, slip on something, get caught in a door or poisoned by living inside. There are risks inside and outside.
Love your pets and care for them. Give them a good life.
Amen to that.
I'm not imposing anything on anyone, I putting some things out there that a lot of people aren't aware of and may want to consider. Feral cats and domestic outdoor cats aren't a part of a natural balance any more than destructive overbreeding foreign exotic species brought here and released. They in fact destroy the balance of nature and bring about catastrophic loss of local species. Not to mention the untold number of people in residential areas who poison and shoot cats they find killing birds they feed and enjoy. BTW, none of my cats are fat and lazy, nor do they express any desire to go outside. You have, and can point out cats that live long lives inside and out----I can point out people who have survived terrible crashes not wearing seat belts----exactly what does that prove?
By the way, the Black Death was only spread by rats and fleas once the disease had hit the town, the disease itself sweep across the entirety of Europe at a very rapid pace and rats could not have done that, rats establish homes and stay put, they don't collectively sweep across a continent in what was estimated to be a non stop pace that could cover hundreds of miles in a week. Cats would not have helped in this particular situation, they would pick up and distribute diseased fleas from what few rats they killed. The fleas were the problem regardless of what mammal they happened to be on. The disease wiped out towns miles isolated from other towns where the inhabitants never left their respective villages ---so much for the rat causing the plague myth. If the plague was airborne as some theorize, then it wouldn't really matter much who was spreading what, pretty much everyone and everything was going to get it anyway.
Quote from: adidasguy on June 25, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
I have cats.They go in and out. All my cats have done that. Previous 4 lives 17 years.
They enjoy going in and out.
What you do for your pets is up to you. Let's not all freak out and try to impose personal beliefs on everyone else.
So cat's eat a bird. Its all a part of nature.
Cats eat rodents. That is also a part of nature and balances the environment.
When man steps in and attempts to impose certain beliefs on nature, things go wrong.
One cause of the black plague was rodents carrying fleas which carried the disease. the abundance of rodents was due to fear of cats (especially black ones) so the killing of cats removed a predator for the rodents and the rodent population skyrocketed and the plague spread.
If you are worried about a bird being killed, how are you going to impose that on all of nature so no bird gets killed? Start feeding the owls and eagles so they don't eat smaller birds? Let the mice and rats run rampant because you don't want one to ever be killed by another animal? So with overpopulation they die of starvation so what do you do now? Let nature be nature. animals eat, die, kill others and poop on your head as they fly over.
Lets let each care for their pets as they wish.
I would prefer a happy, active cat that goes in and out for 12 years over a bored, lazy indoor cat for 15 years. I know my cats are happy outside. They come out and hang with me in the bike cave. They like that. Before they git a kitty door, they would be at the door whimpering like sad puppies. They wanted to be outside with me. They were unhappy being left inside. I would be devastated if one got run over. On the other hand, by going in and out they are happy, active and healthy. They can get sat on, slip on something, get caught in a door or poisoned by living inside. There are risks inside and outside.
Love your pets and care for them. Give them a good life.
^^ What Adidasguy and Codajastal said. I could not have said it better.
Quote from: ojstinson on June 25, 2012, 10:38:42 AM
That's a good way to look at it, I should just think of it as being my cat's "time" to get his eye shot out by a couple of neighborhood brats. What if it isn't your cat's time to go, what if it's just your cat's time to get his face chewed off by a stray dog and you have to watch him suffer while you spend a bundle getting him treated or putting him out of his misery.
Again, how many of these things would happen to your cat inside the house?
And also, be working on your "it was his time to go" speech to your kids when the unthinkable happens, that always makes them feel better. And be sure and let us all know so we can feel sorry for you and the grieving family.
Maybe the difference here is that we view our animals as pets and not a family member. If indeed something hurtful was to happen to my cat such as being mauled by a dog, I would put him down myself. We've put birds down every year that fall out of our backyard trees during storms because they cannot be saved.
I really don't want to talk about kids since it's a touchy subject because we all have different parenting techniques. But my kids are 5 and 7 and understand well what happens in nature. They've seen the animals our cat have brought back and have buried them. They've also seen our nieghbors toy dogs get run over so I really don't have a special speech per se.
And if my pets pass away I really have no urge to share it with anyone so please don't feel sorry for us.
If I live with with your logic then my pets and kids would never step a foot outside the house. What a life.
I give you factual information and opinion on the hazards of letting your cats out, do with it what you will.
Quote from: seamax on June 25, 2012, 07:02:29 PM
Quote from: ojstinson on June 25, 2012, 10:38:42 AM
That's a good way to look at it, I should just think of it as being my cat's "time" to get his eye shot out by a couple of neighborhood brats. What if it isn't your cat's time to go, what if it's just your cat's time to get his face chewed off by a stray dog and you have to watch him suffer while you spend a bundle getting him treated or putting him out of his misery.
Again, how many of these things would happen to your cat inside the house?
And also, be working on your "it was his time to go" speech to your kids when the unthinkable happens, that always makes them feel better. And be sure and let us all know so we can feel sorry for you and the grieving family.
Maybe the difference here is that we view our animals as pets and not a family member. If indeed something hurtful was to happen to my cat such as being mauled by a dog, I would put him down myself. We've put birds down every year that fall out of our backyard trees during storms because they cannot be saved.
I really don't want to talk about kids since it's a touchy subject because we all have different parenting techniques. But my kids are 5 and 7 and understand well what happens in nature. They've seen the animals our cat have brought back and have buried them. They've also seen our nieghbors toy dogs get run over so I really don't have a special speech per se.
And if my pets pass away I really have no urge to share it with anyone so please don't feel sorry for us.
If I live with with your logic then my pets and kids would never step a foot outside the house. What a life.
agreed. ive had to put down a cat as well. was no saving it. ( broken neck. ) one of 2 times ive ever discharged a firearm in teh city. other time was at shop. anyways. never had problems with indoor/outdoor cats. ive got one i dont want out yet. he is mental. working that out of him and letting him get used to outside life as well. he only eats when im around. he was a rescue from a FORMER friends house. they were talking abotu smashing its head in, or setting him out. with the other6. i told him. DUDE. do NOT do that. if you hated cats that much do NOT have any. i took em all with me. brought 5 to a no kill shelter and dammit came home with me. btw the other 5 are in good homes now. i did without food that night. to get these animals to a good place. ( 50 mile drive) they were 9mos old. i do treat my cats and one dog as members of my family. they know when iam not feeling well. or i get cold chills i wake up and find 2 cats laying on top of me. cant beat a warm fur coat lol. they know if my back is hurting, i get claw massages. ( but no scratches)
Quote from: ojstinson on June 25, 2012, 03:53:40 PM
Life for outdoor cats is risky. They can get hit by cars; attacked by dogs, other cats, coyotes or wildlife; contract fatal diseases, such as rabies, feline distemper, or feline immunodeficiency virus; get lost, stolen, or poisoned; or suffer during severe weather conditions. Outdoor cats lead considerably shorter lives on average than cats kept exclusively indoors".
I typed up a long response to you last night, but refrained from posting it because it was a bit abrasive when I re-read it. It's clear that you love your pets a lot, and that's great that you do and that you try to minimize risks to them. Life, for any living thing, is inherently risky though. There is a huge number of things that could kill or maim any creature, whether they were indoors or not. It all comes down to how much risk are you willing to take. Having lived with indoor only cats, as well as indoor/outdoor and barn cats, I will say that personally, I'd rather have an active, happy pet that lives a shorter life than a bored, and probably overweight one with a longer life.
Sorry for the loss, I've had a few pets meet the same end.
On a slighty funny/morbid note, I was driving the cage a few months back and a rabbit hit me. Not the other way around. The poor little thing ran under my rear passenger side tire. :icon_sad:
Quote from: k.rollin on June 26, 2012, 02:04:45 AM
I typed up a long response to you last night, but refrained from posting it because it was a bit abrasive when I re-read it. It's clear that you love your pets a lot, and that's great that you do and that you try to minimize risks to them. Life, for any living thing, is inherently risky though. There is a huge number of things that could kill or maim any creature, whether they were indoors or not. It all comes down to how much risk are you willing to take. Having lived with indoor only cats, as well as indoor/outdoor and barn cats, I will say that personally, I'd rather have an active, happy pet that lives a shorter life than a bored, and probably overweight one with a longer life.
I give you factual information and opinion on the hazards of letting your cats out, do with it what you will.
I, for one, do not think it is acceptable to let your cat roam free and do as it pleases. They kill birds, fight other cats, piss on patio furniture/plants, poop in places you don't necessarily want cat poop...etc..
Why is it okay to let your cat run around but not your dog? Last I checked, leash laws apply to both cats AND dogs.
Don't like the idea of having to keep your pet indoors and actually take care of it? Don't f%$king get one. Plain and simple. If you can't endure the responsibility of owning an animal, forgo it. That's how it works.
I find it to be much the same as people who have children, don't raise them correctly or do so in an apathetic manner, and then try to blame society for their shortcomings. One good example is the idea that you can be sued because you don't have a lock on your gate and a child enters your yard and gets maimed/killed by your dog; or drowns in your pool. It's your responsibility as a parent to watch your children. If you don't, and something happens to them, it should be YOUR fault. NOT someone else's.
Yesterday I saw on North bound 85 just south of salisbury I saw a tortoise trying to cross the road.
Man that was so sad, no way the bugger was going to get anywhere near the other side.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: Kijona on July 02, 2012, 08:30:16 PM
I, for one, do not think it is acceptable to let your cat roam free and do as it pleases. They kill birds, fight other cats, piss on patio furniture/plants, poop in places you don't necessarily want cat poop...etc..
Why is it okay to let your cat run around but not your dog? Last I checked, leash laws apply to both cats AND dogs.
Don't like the idea of having to keep your pet indoors and actually take care of it? Don't f%$king get one. Plain and simple. If you can't endure the responsibility of owning an animal, forgo it. That's how it works.
I find it to be much the same as people who have children, don't raise them correctly or do so in an apathetic manner, and then try to blame society for their shortcomings. One good example is the idea that you can be sued because you don't have a lock on your gate and a child enters your yard and gets maimed/killed by your dog; or drowns in your pool. It's your responsibility as a parent to watch your children. If you don't, and something happens to them, it should be YOUR fault. NOT someone else's.
Finally, someone on here with some common sense about this, one can rationalize all they want but the fact is there is no good side to letting a cat roam free outdoors, if it ends badly it's the owners fault 100 percent.
Holy shiiiizzz....
1st. OP, I am sorry about your loss.
2nd. This turned out to be the most ridiculous thread EVER and while I won't debate whether or not you should let cats enjoy the great outdoors, I will leave a friendly bit of advice in hopes to prevent future generations from being subject to the same ridiculous debate...
... Always get your pets spade or neutered and if your neighbor tells you to put a leash on your cat... get him/her spayed and neutered too.
That is all... carry on
you've got to be fuckin kidding me.
To the OP: I am sorry for your loss as any pet's death is horrible.
To everyone else: REALLY? As some have read I can't wrap the whole "cat" thing around my head. Now I understand having a cat on the farm for rodent control and such but for anybody to get that butt-hurt (look it up) over the great indoor/outdoor cat debate is astonishing.
But since opinions are like a$$holes. If you have your cat running lose in my neighborhood tearing up my trash or shitting on my porch it will be returned with green or possibly pink paint on its ass. Cats are not dumb and learn fast and the paintball gun (turned low) is a great teacher. Usually by the second time they get it.
If I was to impose my cats on my neighbors I could only hope that a paintball up it's a s s was the worst it had to endure.
Come to think of it this is a pretty dumbass thread to dump on a motorcycle forum.
#5023
Yep - this thread really got off track.
As for the dog/cat on a leash issue. Dogs will jump on people, run up to them, bark, sniff, hump and do other things. Cats don't do that. About the worst a cat will do is scratch the hell out of you if you pick it up and it doesn't want to be picked up.
Dogs do run and jump and attack. You have guard dogs - no guard cats. Guards dogs because dogs can attack, bite, maul and kill. You don't hear of a cat attacking and killing a baby like you hear of dogs attacking and killing small people or chomping on innocent people. Hence the laws for leashes and many cities banning certain breeds (though it is more the owner because remember that the dog Petie on Little Rascals was a pit bull!)
Dogs chase cars and run under the wheels. I ran over a poodle that way - felt sorry for the kids that thought chasing cars was cute. Try to approach a dog that doesn't want you around and you can be met with sharp teeth and a viscous attack.
A cat will probably hiss at you and run away. Rare for a cat to attack unless cornered.
So there is a little food for though on why we have dog leash laws and laws regarding large or viscous dogs. You don't have the same laws for cats because they do not and are not capable of inflicting the same amount of injury to a human as a dog can.
Let the flaming posts begin! time to sit back and watch.....
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Somebody ticket Adidas for inciting a riot. :D
I really am having a hard time NOT ranting here. I hope one day I understand this cat thing. That's where I'll stop. For now.maybe .....
Tard Farm candidate?
Quote from: MVent03 on July 03, 2012, 04:15:58 PM
Tard Farm candidate?
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Quote from: MVent03 on July 03, 2012, 04:15:58 PM
Tard Farm candidate?
Never in my wildest dreams did I think that one of my threads (yep, I started this one folks) would end up like this.
Let the debate continue...
The day before I was to leave California for good one dumb dog ran under the rear wheels of my truck ... and when the owner came to pick it up, it was very much alive, like maybe a broken leg it bit her year off. I get out of my truck and am afraid to get anywhere near the house cos there was like 20 dogs going nuts and one dog and one human covered in blood. The cops came (luckily one of them who was following me had a cell and calls cops - BTW it was a suburban traffic jam on saturday morning then - barely 10 mph and dog uns under the rear wheel of the truck) anyway, I had to swear up and down I didn't hit the woman, who I have no idea is saying what to the cops.
Anyway dogs and cats are liable to get into traffic as is any damn animal there is, domestic or otherwise. You wanna hold on to them you need a fence, heck kids need a fence if you're not going to be there with them when they are in your yard. I know of 3 people who have been hit by cars, 1 was hit when she was 10 and she's 12 now seems alright though her parents need to be tossed in jail for various other issues IMHO, one was hit when she was 8-9 and has the brains of a 9yr old and she's like 20, and a third was hit when she was 12 and @ around 50 now she's - well fine but she likes my dumb jokes and smokes a lot. She was my ex-co worker who said her friends @ school told her she can cross the road the cars will stop for her.
Definitely serious and definitely need to keep em fenced or closely supervised.
Cool.
Buddha.
I'm pretty sure it's not a given right to have your animals roam free on other people's property. Fixed or not, I don't want your animals on my property tearing my stuff up. I don't want to smell cat piss when I walk out my front door. I don't want them digging around in my vegetable garden and shitting in it. I don't want to have to dispose of bird, squirrel, chipmunk, mice, rat, etc. corpses because you let your cat run free. Don't make YOUR pets MY problem. Of course, I'm speaking about anybody that lets their cats roam free, not YOU personally, but you get what I mean.
The only argument anybody can ever come up with to defend the idea of letting their cats roam is "but I don't want to make them stay in the house, they need to be free!" WELL then don't f'ing get one. It's freaking simple.
Uhm, Akasha goes in the backyard and the garage. But knows to go no where near the road. She has a pet door for day time but at 2100 she knows it's time to come in and is usually inside the house either 10 minutes before or 10 minutes after. I'm sure the furniture would be torn to shreds if we never let her out because she loves hunting in the backyard. This makes her happy and since she doesn't go into other people's yard I feel she is safe. I enjoy having my "patrol kitty" in the garage watching me work on Flick!
I'm amazed the thread has gotten to this point. I take that back no I'm not the most benign things such as mourning the loss of a pet turn into flame wars. The OP wasn't blaming the driver of the car for killing his cat. He was trying to remind us that there are animals out on the road weather it is dog, cats, birds, or in my case a vulture dropping roadkill in my face!
BTW Buddha why didn't you do turtle rescue. Instead of wondering how he's going to make it to the other side help a poor guy out. Anytime I can safely I will stop and help them to the other side. Anytime, I see roadkill it makes me a little sad because I'm an animal lover and we are the ones intruding on their territory! Been driving/riding for 16 years and have not hit an animal yet. And I like to keep it that way.
I'll give Akasha an extra hug before I leave today!
Mary
Tortoise rescue ... I was near about sure he was nailed by the 18 wheeler following me ... besides one of these bloody things crawled into my front area last year and any attempt to rescue the bugger was met with attempted bites to our fingers. Then we managed to get it onto the yard and it was in the shell, and we rolled it with our feet to the street, and the bugger 2 mins later was headed toward the house again. 4 attempts before it went across the road, and we spent 20 mins directing traffic. Sadly I dont think I'd be posting this verbose description if this tortoise was 1/2 as obsitinate that that previous one. Good recipie to get yourself n ailed by an 18 wheeler.
And odd as it seems today and rabbit - a small one, the size of a rat - literally ran from the field to my right perpendicular to my direction of travel on the road like it was racing me, and I slowed and it clean got between my 2 front wheels and out between the left front and rear ...
Sorry I think in this story the hare wins.
Cool.
Buddha.
this is what happens when you put a leash on a cat....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIoOJKLHeY0
Quote from: Kijona on July 04, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not a given right to have your animals roam free on other people's property. Fixed or not, I don't want your animals on my property tearing my stuff up. I don't want to smell cat piss when I walk out my front door. I don't want them digging around in my vegetable garden and shitting in it. I don't want to have to dispose of bird, squirrel, chipmunk, mice, rat, etc. corpses because you let your cat run free. Don't make YOUR pets MY problem. Of course, I'm speaking about anybody that lets their cats roam free, not YOU personally, but you get what I mean.
The only argument anybody can ever come up with to defend the idea of letting their cats roam is "but I don't want to make them stay in the house, they need to be free!" WELL then don't f'ing get one. It's freaking simple.
I live out in the country. Here cats roam if they aren't indoor cats. There are a lot of cats that live in the barn of most every farm. they frequently show up here on my property. they don't tear up anything or leave any presents or piss/shaZam! where I would ever know about it. do I mind them? Why should I? I have an older cat that used to go out daily. She lost a back leg due to a car most likely. She got along fine on 3 legs and was still one of the fastest things out there and a damn good hunter. DON'T try to tell me that cat's belong inside and shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the great outdoors. like lots of other animals that roam the woods :flipoff:
Can we safely assume that she lost the leg while outside?----I rest my case.
Agreed Dam,
growing up with barn cats, i have witnessed first hand the amazing hunting and survival skills of cats. They have very....VERY sharp claws and teeth, they are among the top of the food chain in most settings. Not the very top, but damn close. you worry about dogs and birds and foxes and such. If the cat cant escape the dog then it was probably fat and slow. Like wise with foxes, they are fast and smart, smarter then dogs by far, but still have yet to see one take down a cat. they just don't have the agility. and i don't know of any bird (hawk, eagle, or other) that prey on cats....come on! Cats by design are predators, and evolution has given them a great skill set and survival instincts. and if you don't believe in "evil-ution" (quoted from my friend) then god did a damn good job. (please don't flame me for that last comment, i am trying to please everyone. this is no place to religion wars) I would even go as far as saying that the Cat species would survive longer then humans if it were put to that. very resourceful animals.
ok im done!
::Side Note::
was listening to Elvis Durans morning show today, their prank call was to an old women who hated cats on her lawn....oh god!!! I had to pull over i was laughing so hard. Love old people.
Quote from: ojstinson on July 06, 2012, 09:06:47 AM
Can we safely assume that she lost the leg while outside?----I rest my case.
no it lost it in a blender accident while making margaritas....heres your sign!
Quote from: ojstinson on July 06, 2012, 09:06:47 AM
Can we safely assume that she lost the leg while outside?----I rest my case.
I guess I should never go outside, something bad might happen to me :cheers:
Just the knee jerk reaction I expected from someone who just got owned----with emphasis on the jerk.
Verdun, got news for you buddy, Raccoons and owls take thousands of feral and domestic cats a year in rural areas, the feral cats are as tough as they come but a large male coon will walk through anything less that a Bobcat and disembowel it in seconds, they eat only the choice organs and leave the rest. A large owl will hit a cat silently at night from above like a hammer and kill the stunned animal in seconds. Fights with feral cats kill and infect domestic cats in large numbers, dogs kill and maim domestic cats, they usually don't mess with feral cats. Domestic cats by and large are no match for anything that lives in the wild except song birds and mice. We definitely need to keep those songs birds in check, they are a very real threat.
ojsimpson,
i was referring to harden barn cats, not fluffy your soft pawed pussycat.
also...survival of the fit. its the circle of life...one must kill to survive. if one accepts that (not saying you have to OJ) then it makes life a little easier.
also, you should probably lock you dogs and cats up while you vacuum, a hit and run from a Dyson can be messy! Also don't wear heals around animals, as they are a fatal combinations, every year tens of cats suffer and die from being stepped on by stilettos. One must also be mindful of sharp corners, splinters from hardwood floors, really clean glass doors, stink bugs and power cords. Advil is another killer of house cats....REALLY!
I would also like to see stats, and a work sited page for all your claims. Something like a National Geo special on Owls and their natural prey of Cats. Otherwise ill assume you are pulling figures and numbers out of thin air.
and yes, song birds are a menace, they keep me up at night. especially that damn mockingbird...if my cat dosent get him the .22 will!
I give you factual information and opinion on the hazards of letting your cats out, do with it what you will.
Quote from: ojstinson on July 06, 2012, 11:11:05 AM
I give you factual information and opinion on the hazards of letting your cats out, do with it what you will.
Just keep repeating that, maybe somebody will believe it.
Quote from: VerdonD952 on July 06, 2012, 11:05:06 AM
ojsimpson,
i was referring to harden barn cats, not fluffy your soft pawed pussycat.
also...survival of the fit. its the circle of life...one must kill to survive. if one accepts that (not saying you have to OJ) then it makes life a little easier.
also, you should probably lock you dogs and cats up while you vacuum, a hit and run from a Dyson can be messy! Also don't wear heals around animals, as they are a fatal combinations, every year tens of cats suffer and die from being stepped on by stilettos. One must also be mindful of sharp corners, splinters from hardwood floors, really clean glass doors, stink bugs and power cords. Advil is another killer of house cats....REALLY!
I would also like to see stats, and a work sited page for all your claims. Something like a National Geo special on Owls and their natural prey of Cats. Otherwise ill assume you are pulling figures and numbers out of thin air.
and yes, song birds are a menace, they keep me up at night. especially that damn mockingbird...if my cat dosent get him the .22 will!
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wow...almost surprised this is still going.But wht the hell.
So a coon CAN easily kill a cat. No doubt about it. But this only would happen if the cat cornered it. I've seen it. BUT I have serious doubts that a coon would EVER prey on a cat. It just wouldn't be worth the effort for a mostly scavenging animal to take on something like a cat. Regardless, who really gives a sh!t. What we all should really worry about is the Eastern Winged Jackelope. These are nasty carnivores full of hate and discontent and capable of utter distruction.
But really, for anyone to get butt-hurt over the great indoor/outdoor cat debate is probably the dumbest thing I've heard. It's a cat. If it wants to keep the songbird population in check, oh-well. If it runs into my yard and gets eaten because my dog like the taste of...well, you know. OH-FREAKIN-WELL. It really sucks for anyone to lose a pet but to b!tch and moan about how people keep their animals is quite we tar did. sorry for the rant.
I agree, one of the dumbest freakin threads yet, guy lets his cat roam then bitches and moans that it got killed, he'll probably get another and do the same. This has gotten to be as endless and boring as the proverbial God/No God and Liberal/conservative debates------no one from either side EVER convinces the other side of anything. Got to admit that I got caught up in the argument for the sake of argument challenge but I really think it has run it's retched course.
I typed in Raccoons eating cats and got this.
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June 26 - KGO (KGO) -- Residents in one South Bay neighborhood are on alert for vicious raccoons.
Neighbors are posting flyers in Cupertino, warning people to bring their pets in at night. Hungry and aggressive raccoons have killed and eaten three cats within the past several weeks.
Jackie Jackson, concerned pet owner: "All the rains during the winter, it didn't produce the fruit. So they have nothing to eat right now, so they're eating animals."
This is not an isolated case. People in Los Altos are also reporting losing animals to raccoons.
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I really don't think you get it. Verdon , maybe you could help elaborate the fact that shaZam! happens. That isolated cases of a rabid coon eating a cat doesn't mean the racoon is a fierce predator of fluffy.
Rabid animals don't eat or drink anything, they are in overwhelmingly sever pain and distress---they lash out but they sure as hell aren't in the mood for dinner. Just how many incidents do you need to be convinced that Raccoons are vicious and powerful opportunistic predators?
Quote from: ojstinson on July 06, 2012, 07:03:00 PM
I agree, one of the dumbest freakin threads yet, guy lets his cat roam then bitches and moans that it got killed, he'll probably get another and do the same. This has gotten to be as endless and boring as the proverbial God/No God and Liberal/conservative debates------no one from either side EVER convinces the other side of anything. Got to admit that I got caught up in the argument for the sake of argument challenge but I really think it has run it's retched course.
B!tching and moaning? No. You missed the point. Start at the beginning OJ. The point is to be careful out there and watch out for animals on the road. This was not a b!tch and moan fest, but more of a "Watch out and be careful out there" thread.
I think in the end, it's safe to say that we agree to disagree on the topic. I'm done commenting on this. Feel free to continue to argue about it if you wish.
Ride safe everyone...Jester
Quote from: ojstinson on July 07, 2012, 09:49:59 AM
Rabid animals don't eat or drink anything, they are in overwhelmingly sever pain and distress---they lash out but they sure as hell aren't in the mood for dinner. Just how many incidents do you need to be convinced that Raccoons are vicious and powerful opportunistic predators?
I think I'll need at least 31. :cookoo:
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B!tching and moaning? No. You missed the point. Start at the beginning OJ. The point is to be careful out there and watch out for animals on the road. This was not a b!tch and moan fest, but more of a "Watch out and be careful out there" thread.
I think in the end, it's safe to say that we agree to disagree on the topic. I'm done commenting on this. Feel free to continue to argue about it if you wish.
Ride safe everyone...Jester
It's safe say that most of us get the intended message. Again, sorry for the loss of your pet.
Quote from: dam on July 06, 2012, 08:42:23 AM
Quote from: Kijona on July 04, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not a given right to have your animals roam free on other people's property. Fixed or not, I don't want your animals on my property tearing my stuff up. I don't want to smell cat piss when I walk out my front door. I don't want them digging around in my vegetable garden and shitting in it. I don't want to have to dispose of bird, squirrel, chipmunk, mice, rat, etc. corpses because you let your cat run free. Don't make YOUR pets MY problem. Of course, I'm speaking about anybody that lets their cats roam free, not YOU personally, but you get what I mean.
The only argument anybody can ever come up with to defend the idea of letting their cats roam is "but I don't want to make them stay in the house, they need to be free!" WELL then don't f'ing get one. It's freaking simple.
I live out in the country. Here cats roam if they aren't indoor cats. There are a lot of cats that live in the barn of most every farm. they frequently show up here on my property. they don't tear up anything or leave any presents or piss/shaZam! where I would ever know about it. do I mind them? Why should I? I have an older cat that used to go out daily. She lost a back leg due to a car most likely. She got along fine on 3 legs and was still one of the fastest things out there and a damn good hunter. DON'T try to tell me that cat's belong inside and shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the great outdoors. like lots of other animals that roam the woods :flipoff:
Living out in the country is different from living in the city but the same principle applies. Don't let your pets become somebody's problem.
I would actively be sending these f%$king cats to the pound if I could. Unfortunately, if it has a collar on it, Animal Control won't take it away. Least that's how it is here. So, I'm stuck with them.
People want to cry and stuff when their cat gets run over or maimed by a dog or coyote. Well guess what? It's ENTIRELY their fault. Entirely. I don't care if the person who ran over it was hauling ass doing twice the speed limit...it's STILL
THEIR fault. They understood the danger of letting their cat outside and did it anyway. Zero sympathy except for the cat.
Need I go into more detail? If nothing else, you should care more about your pets than to let them roam free and then HOPE they come home every night.
I'm getting sick of this "I want my pet to be able to enjoy the outdoors like it was meant to" argument. Bullshit.
Here's a motherfucking wake-up call: By HAVING a cat as a PET you are FURTHERING and PERPETUATING the issue. What do I mean? Well first you're trying to make the argument that cats deserve to be free...but then...you're actively having one as a pet? That's like saying "I want the water around here to be clean, so I'm going to protest against the dumping of waste into the river" but then taking your car to the shop that dumps motor oil in the river.
So, do people who have this mentality, also let their CHILDREN run rampant and free wherever they want? Or do they watch them like normal human beings? They watch them because they don't want anything to happen to their kid. Surely you can agree children should be let outdoors...but in a controlled manner. You wouldn't let your kid outside for hours at a time without supervision, would you? No.
So, why would anyone let their pet run around without supervision? Oh...wait...I see. It's because they take an apathetic approach to pet ownership. They aren't really that worried whether Mr. Fluffles comes home at the end of the day. If they were worried about something happening to the poor animal, they wouldn't let it loose. Oh, and GOD FORBID something happens to Mr. Fluffles because it will be SOMEBODY'S FAULT FOR SURE!!!! Somebody's. Anybody's. But NO WAY could it be THEIRS. Right?
I'm so goddamned sick of people and their f%$king hypocritical attitudes. Where the f%$k have we ended up where grown adults can't even take responsibility for and handle something as fundamentally simple as pet ownership? I guess that's part of the problem with humans...it's always somebody else's fault.
Quote from: Kijona on July 08, 2012, 02:16:19 AM
I'm getting sick of this "I want my pet to be able to enjoy the outdoors like it was meant to" argument. Bullshit.
Here's a motherfucking wake-up call: By HAVING a cat as a PET you are FURTHERING and PERPETUATING the issue. What do I mean? Well first you're trying to make the argument that cats deserve to be free...but then...you're actively having one as a pet? That's like saying "I want the water around here to be clean, so I'm going to protest against the dumping of waste into the river" but then taking your car to the shop that dumps motor oil in the river.
So, do people who have this mentality, also let their CHILDREN run rampant and free wherever they want? Or do they watch them like normal human beings? They watch them because they don't want anything to happen to their kid. Surely you can agree children should be let outdoors...but in a controlled manner. You wouldn't let your kid outside for hours at a time without supervision, would you? No.
So, why would anyone let their pet run around without supervision? Oh...wait...I see. It's because they take an apathetic approach to pet ownership. They aren't really that worried whether Mr. Fluffles comes home at the end of the day. If they were worried about something happening to the poor animal, they wouldn't let it loose. Oh, and GOD FORBID something happens to Mr. Fluffles because it will be SOMEBODY'S FAULT FOR SURE!!!! Somebody's. Anybody's. But NO WAY could it be THEIRS. Right?
I'm so goddamned sick of people and their f%$king hypocritical attitudes. Where the f%$k have we ended up where grown adults can't even take responsibility for and handle something as fundamentally simple as pet ownership? I guess that's part of the problem with humans...it's always somebody else's fault.
I dont have cats as pets......they have me as a pet. They let me feed them when THEY want......they let me open the door for them when THEY want ......they let me sit down on THEIR furniture while they sit on my lap......they let me sleep in THEIR bed and wake me up when they see fit and if they catch something they bring it to me so I will give them more attention.
I dont own the cats....They fucken own me!!!!!!! :icon_sad:
Kijona-------Well said buddy, but it's not going to get through to most of this bunch, from whence I speak.
Quote from: codajastal on July 08, 2012, 02:33:27 AM
Quote from: Kijona on July 08, 2012, 02:16:19 AM
I'm getting sick of this "I want my pet to be able to enjoy the outdoors like it was meant to" argument. Bullshit.
Here's a motherfucking wake-up call: By HAVING a cat as a PET you are FURTHERING and PERPETUATING the issue. What do I mean? Well first you're trying to make the argument that cats deserve to be free...but then...you're actively having one as a pet? That's like saying "I want the water around here to be clean, so I'm going to protest against the dumping of waste into the river" but then taking your car to the shop that dumps motor oil in the river.
So, do people who have this mentality, also let their CHILDREN run rampant and free wherever they want? Or do they watch them like normal human beings? They watch them because they don't want anything to happen to their kid. Surely you can agree children should be let outdoors...but in a controlled manner. You wouldn't let your kid outside for hours at a time without supervision, would you? No.
So, why would anyone let their pet run around without supervision? Oh...wait...I see. It's because they take an apathetic approach to pet ownership. They aren't really that worried whether Mr. Fluffles comes home at the end of the day. If they were worried about something happening to the poor animal, they wouldn't let it loose. Oh, and GOD FORBID something happens to Mr. Fluffles because it will be SOMEBODY'S FAULT FOR SURE!!!! Somebody's. Anybody's. But NO WAY could it be THEIRS. Right?
I'm so goddamned sick of people and their f%$king hypocritical attitudes. Where the f%$k have we ended up where grown adults can't even take responsibility for and handle something as fundamentally simple as pet ownership? I guess that's part of the problem with humans...it's always somebody else's fault.
I dont have cats as pets......they have me as a pet. They let me feed them when THEY want......they let me open the door for them when THEY want ......they let me sit down on THEIR furniture while they sit on my lap......they let me sleep in THEIR bed and wake me up when they see fit and if they catch something they bring it to me so I will give them more attention.
I dont own the cats....They fucken own me!!!!!!! :icon_sad:
:thumb: :thumb:
We don't OWN the cats, they live with us. They are part of the family. How old do your children need to be before they've learned to be responsible enough to be out on their own? Some of you need to take a chill pill. You have your opinion and I can respect that. No need to get all worked up over it. Please don't go out of your way to kill or maim any of my family or friends. Watch out for animals on the road. Thank You.
Quote from: dam on July 08, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Quote from: codajastal on July 08, 2012, 02:33:27 AM
Quote from: Kijona on July 08, 2012, 02:16:19 AM
I'm getting sick of this "I want my pet to be able to enjoy the outdoors like it was meant to" argument. Bullshit.
Here's a motherfucking wake-up call: By HAVING a cat as a PET you are FURTHERING and PERPETUATING the issue. What do I mean? Well first you're trying to make the argument that cats deserve to be free...but then...you're actively having one as a pet? That's like saying "I want the water around here to be clean, so I'm going to protest against the dumping of waste into the river" but then taking your car to the shop that dumps motor oil in the river.
So, do people who have this mentality, also let their CHILDREN run rampant and free wherever they want? Or do they watch them like normal human beings? They watch them because they don't want anything to happen to their kid. Surely you can agree children should be let outdoors...but in a controlled manner. You wouldn't let your kid outside for hours at a time without supervision, would you? No.
So, why would anyone let their pet run around without supervision? Oh...wait...I see. It's because they take an apathetic approach to pet ownership. They aren't really that worried whether Mr. Fluffles comes home at the end of the day. If they were worried about something happening to the poor animal, they wouldn't let it loose. Oh, and GOD FORBID something happens to Mr. Fluffles because it will be SOMEBODY'S FAULT FOR SURE!!!! Somebody's. Anybody's. But NO WAY could it be THEIRS. Right?
I'm so goddamned sick of people and their f%$king hypocritical attitudes. Where the f%$k have we ended up where grown adults can't even take responsibility for and handle something as fundamentally simple as pet ownership? I guess that's part of the problem with humans...it's always somebody else's fault.
I dont have cats as pets......they have me as a pet. They let me feed them when THEY want......they let me open the door for them when THEY want ......they let me sit down on THEIR furniture while they sit on my lap......they let me sleep in THEIR bed and wake me up when they see fit and if they catch something they bring it to me so I will give them more attention.
I dont own the cats....They fucken own me!!!!!!! :icon_sad:
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We don't OWN the cats, they live with us. They are part of the family. How old do your children need to be before they've learned to be responsible enough to be out on their own? Some of you need to take a chill pill. You have your opinion and I can respect that. No need to get all worked up over it. Please don't go out of your way to kill or maim any of my family or friends. Watch out for animals on the road. Thank You.
If you're implying that I'd hurt an animal or someone I think you need to re-read my post. If nothing else I feel bad for the cats, and hold nothing against them. It's not their fault their owners are irresponsible.
But you know, you're right...getting upset and stuff over it isn't worth it. I can't do anything about it. People won't change their minds because of anything I say.
Lighten up guys
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We are light, we are just practicing our aggressive debating skills, and in the process perhaps save a few cats from unspeakable fates.
While we're on-topic here, did you see the video of a guy on a bike hitting a deer? he got lucky and stayed on the bike, great example of why you should watch out though.
That's why deer should be kept inside. I hate it when people let them roam. Bastards
Just when I thought the comments couldn't get any more childish or retarded, you came through for us.
we can have a constructive argument about cats all day, but stooping to personal insults is uncalled for. Stay Classy San Diego!
Couldn't resist.. :flipoff:
Very creative and original---Great comeback!!
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this has become silly, TARD FARM!!!!
I rubber your glue, what ever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!!
Quote from: VerdonD952 on July 10, 2012, 10:53:10 AM
this has become silly, TARD FARM!!!!
I rubber your glue, what ever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!!
definitely, keep the OP and farm the rest. Still good for a laugh.
No, keep this out of the Tard Farm. We have quality stuff over there. We don't want any riffraff threads. If you don't like this thread, stop posting in it and it will die a natural death and fade from page one to two to three and into obscurity.
George Carlin talks His Pets... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7NE6ZFyQrE
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