Heading home today, hammering along in 6th gear, start to slow down to take a corner...
I click down a couple, next thing..
I'm in neutral..
Thought I should of been in 4th..
WTF
Anyone else experienced this?
Congratulations :cool:
Looks like you have found a false neutral for the first time :thumb:
Looks like its time for an oil thread and how that will solve your neutral problem :icon_twisted: :icon_rolleyes:
Oil??
I would try kicking the lever bit harder before anything else :thumb:
Quote from: sledge on March 26, 2013, 02:30:28 AM
Congratulations :cool:
Looks like you have found a false neutral for the first time :thumb:
Fair Dink Um Sledge! Thought me bike was f%&ked.. I remember this sort of shaZam! going on with bikes back in the day.. But.. Hey... Well it's 2013, thought this shaZam! would of been sorted... My mistake.. Thanks for your reply! :thumb:
Quote from: sledge on March 26, 2013, 02:38:03 AM
Oil??
I would try kicking the lever bit harder before anything else :thumb:
Kick it.. I'd put it through the ground Sledge... :icon_question:
Quote from: codajastal on March 26, 2013, 02:31:39 AM
Looks like its time for an oil thread and how that will solve your neutral problem :icon_twisted: :icon_rolleyes:
OIL Cods :icon_question: :dunno_black:
f%$k me, if I counted all the false neutrals I got riding my ex-fiancees Kwaka Ninja 250R to where we were selling it, I'd have to grow 5 more hands. Damn thing WOULD NOT GO INTO 6TH! I ended up with a bruise on the top of my foot where I was bashing it into gear through my boots. Stupid thing only had a service done on it a week prior.
Quote from: Malfruen on March 26, 2013, 02:49:21 AM
f%$k me, if I counted all the false neutrals I got riding my ex-fiancees Kwaka Ninja 250R to where we were selling it, I'd have to grow 5 more hands. Damn thing WOULD NOT GO INTO 6TH! I ended up with a bruise on the top of my foot where I was bashing it into gear through my boots. Stupid thing only had a service done on it a week prior.
LOL.. Can't help bad luck.. Though really should be better than that! :dunno_white:
Quote from: peterscotts on March 26, 2013, 01:16:37 AM
Heading home today, hammering along in 6th gear, start to slow down to take a corner...
I click down a couple, next thing..
I'm in neutral..
Thought I should of been in 4th..
WTF
Anyone else experienced this?
Wait till you are coming up to a tight corner and expecting to use a lil engine braking to slow you down and you hit a false neutral. Pucker moment! :o
Quote from: Twisted on March 26, 2013, 04:26:38 AM
Quote from: peterscotts on March 26, 2013, 01:16:37 AM
Heading home today, hammering along in 6th gear, start to slow down to take a corner...
I click down a couple, next thing..
I'm in neutral..
Thought I should of been in 4th..
WTF
Anyone else experienced this?
Wait till you are coming up to a tight corner and expecting to use a lil engine braking to slow you down and you hit a false neutral. Pucker moment! :o
TRUE! :o
I wondered the same thing when I found my first neutral.
So basically what is happening is the the shifter found a spot in the middle, for example, 4th and 5th and that can give a false neutral?
(Trying to understand what is happening)
The gears slide back & forth. The motor and stuff needs to be turning so when they slide, the rotations will allow the gears to mesh and slide in to place.
I believe a false neutral is where the gears didn't mesh at the time you pressed the lever so the gears came out of one and didn't make it into the other gear. So they are in limbo between gears.
Once in a while I get a false neutral. I can tell because the shifter lever doesn't move the full distance. So I just give it another tap and I'm OK.
GS has a constant mesh tranny, gears don't slide, dogs slide to engage gears to shaft. All gears are constantly engaged. Dogs are more rugged and require less travel to engage than sliding gears would. False neutral leaves dog short of engagement.
Quote from: gsJack on March 26, 2013, 04:42:15 PM
GS has a constant mesh tranny, gears don't slide, dogs slide to engage gears to shaft. All gears are constantly engaged. Dogs are more rugged and require less travel to engage than sliding gears would. False neutral leaves dog short of engagement.
You're saying what I'm saying but in different terms.
Gears on one shaft (A) are always turning. Gears on other (B) are also turning but the fork fingers slide them left & right so the correct gear of part B mates with the gear in part A for whatever gear you want. If they happen to not slip into place, then you can get a false neutral. True neutral is the spot where B is not supposed to have any gear mating with gears on part A.
Same thing, we're just saying it differently.
I'm now too old to really use the right terms. I forget. I forgot. I don't remember.
You're too old now? :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: Then I must have been too old 20 years ago. :dunno_black:
Quote from: gsJack on March 26, 2013, 08:20:39 PM
You're too old now? :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: Then I must have been too old 20 years ago. :dunno_black:
I've never been this old before. It is a new experience.
You've been this old for a long time so you're used to it.
Quote from: adidasguy on March 26, 2013, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: gsJack on March 26, 2013, 08:20:39 PM
You're too old now? :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: Then I must have been too old 20 years ago. :dunno_black:
I've never been this old before. It is a new experience.
You've been this old for a long time so you're used to it.
Good point! :thumb:
Quote from: adidasguy on March 26, 2013, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: gsJack on March 26, 2013, 04:42:15 PM
GS has a constant mesh tranny, gears don't slide, dogs slide to engage gears to shaft. All gears are constantly engaged. Dogs are more rugged and require less travel to engage than sliding gears would. False neutral leaves dog short of engagement.
You're saying what I'm saying but in different terms.
Gears on one shaft (A) are always turning. Gears on other (B) are also turning but the fork fingers slide them left & right so the correct gear of part B mates with the gear in part A for whatever gear you want. If they happen to not slip into place, then you can get a false neutral. True neutral is the spot where B is not supposed to have any gear mating with gears on part A.
Same thing, we're just saying it differently.
I'm now too old to really use the right terms. I forget. I forgot. I don't remember.
OK.. I got it.. So do you think this day and age that there be any sort of engineering feat that could fix this problem? :dunno_black:
Tranny expertis should know. But in my humble opinion it could be a slightly bent tranny shifter fork thingy that moves you into 5th from 4th. It may be loose or bent a little so it doesn't always move the grear correctly.
Quote from: gsJack on March 26, 2013, 08:34:49 PM
Quote from: adidasguy on March 26, 2013, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: gsJack on March 26, 2013, 08:20:39 PM
You're too old now? :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: Then I must have been too old 20 years ago. :dunno_black:
I've never been this old before. It is a new experience.
You've been this old for a long time so you're used to it.
Good point! :thumb:
LMFAO :thumb:
Quote from: codajastal on March 26, 2013, 10:03:20 PM
Quote from: gsJack on March 26, 2013, 08:34:49 PM
Quote from: adidasguy on March 26, 2013, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: gsJack on March 26, 2013, 08:20:39 PM
You're too old now? :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: Then I must have been too old 20 years ago. :dunno_black:
I've never been this old before. It is a new experience.
You've been this old for a long time so you're used to it.
Good point! :thumb:
LMFAO :thumb:
ME TOO CODS... CLASSIC! LMFAO :icon_lol: :thumb: :cheers:
When I was born Jack was OLD the way you guys think. Now I am old, and Jack lingers on. The amazing thing is he could probably still kick my arse!
Gears don't move, dogs move. There's hardly room in there for a real neutral let alone a false neutral and certainly not enough room for a gear to move out of engagement.. And it's not a bent fork, everyone has it. I remember hitting it on my GS a couple times many years ago but have not done so since. You keep riding as long as I have and you'll be perfect too. :thumb: My great grandchildren call me Biker, I like that. They're getting old too but not as old as John! :icon_lol:
(http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/500/GS500_Transmisson_Gears.jpg)
I get them on mine occasionally, but I at least know *exactly* what my problem is... my 32 year old pivot for the shift lever is flogged out and wobbles around a little too much... typically it's from 3rd to 2nd that I get the false neutral which is when I *really* want that engine breaking...
One day I'll get around to sleeving it and fixing it...
Peter, the mention of the oil was because, changing to a different oil can fix the False Neutrals (FN).
As I upgraded the oil I used from Motoul 1000, to 3000, 5100, 300v and now Mobile 1 Racing 4t, my gear changes became progressively smoother and fewer FNs. Now it's at a point I hardly feel gear changes and never get any FNs.
Being firm/firmer with your changes helps too.
Michael
Quote from: mister on March 30, 2013, 03:09:05 AM
Peter, the mention of the oil was because, changing to a different oil can fix the False Neutrals (FN).
As I upgraded the oil I used from Motoul 1000, to 3000, 5100, 300v and now Mobile 1 Racing 4t, my gear changes became progressively smoother and fewer FNs. Now it's at a point I hardly feel gear changes and never get any FNs.
Being firm/firmer with your changes helps too.
Michael
So Mobil 1 is the go...
Thanks for that Michael :cheers:
Quote from: codajastal on March 26, 2013, 02:31:39 AM
Looks like its time for an oil thread and how that will solve your neutral problem :icon_twisted: :icon_rolleyes:
Well I think its time to quote myself :icon_rolleyes:
I use full synthetic and have never hit a false neutral :thumb:
I use 15/40 diesel truck oil and don't get false neutrals!!! .... Just sometimes neutral neutrals when I'm taking off and get lazy with the foot :icon_rolleyes: ...
So Nyah!! :flipoff:
Quote from: codajastal on March 31, 2013, 12:43:00 AM
Quote from: codajastal on March 26, 2013, 02:31:39 AM
Looks like its time for an oil thread and how that will solve your neutral problem :icon_twisted: :icon_rolleyes:
Well I think its time to quote myself :icon_rolleyes:
I use full synthetic and have never hit a false neutral :thumb:
Only stands to reason, which is just common sense, that's why I mentioned in a thread about what fuel to use, of course the better more expensive shaZam! works better!!!! :cookoo: :flipoff:
Thanks for ya input Cods... Even is ya UGLY mate! :cheers: :thumb: :icon_lol: :laugh:
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Only stands to reason, which is just common sense, that's why I mentioned in a thread about what fuel to use, of course the better more expensive shaZam! works better!!!! :cookoo: :flipoff:
Yeh I'll have to disagree with you there. There are cheaper brands out there that do the same job.
Quote from: Twisted on March 31, 2013, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Only stands to reason, which is just common sense, that's why I mentioned in a thread about what fuel to use, of course the better more expensive shaZam! works better!!!! :cookoo: :flipoff:
Yeh I'll have to disagree with you there. There are cheaper brands out there that do the same job.
Fair enough... Prolly any fully synthetic.... What brand names do you use?
A stiffer spring on the idler wheel that centers the drum in each gear does help. I find that once you get over the hump it then wants to drive itself to the next gear.
I've tried with double springs and it was too much, so I cut 1 coil off the one spring and that seemed better.
I'm going to be playing with it more.
One more thing I was thinking of is replacing the pivot bolt with a normal bolt and a bearing out of an RC car. Or maybe get a star CNC'd with deeper valley's or a sharper point.
I believe this is a good workaround.
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Twisted on March 31, 2013, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Only stands to reason, which is just common sense, that's why I mentioned in a thread about what fuel to use, of course the better more expensive shaZam! works better!!!! :cookoo: :flipoff:
Yeh I'll have to disagree with you there. There are cheaper brands out there that do the same job.
Fair enough... Prolly any fully synthetic.... What brand names do you use?
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63116.0
Quote from: Twisted on March 31, 2013, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Twisted on March 31, 2013, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Only stands to reason, which is just common sense, that's why I mentioned in a thread about what fuel to use, of course the better more expensive shaZam! works better!!!! :cookoo: :flipoff:
Yeh I'll have to disagree with you there. There are cheaper brands out there that do the same job.
Fair enough... Prolly any fully synthetic.... What brand names do you use?
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63116.0
Thanks for that, Twisted... $49.95 @ Super cheap for 5 litres... Sound about right?
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 10:37:19 PM
Quote from: Twisted on March 31, 2013, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Twisted on March 31, 2013, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Only stands to reason, which is just common sense, that's why I mentioned in a thread about what fuel to use, of course the better more expensive shaZam! works better!!!! :cookoo: :flipoff:
Yeh I'll have to disagree with you there. There are cheaper brands out there that do the same job.
Fair enough... Prolly any fully synthetic.... What brand names do you use?
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63116.0
Thanks for that, Twisted... $49.95 @ Super cheap for 5 litres... Sound about right?
:confused: Just spoke with the main man of the service department at Gold Coast Suzuki... Told me it is a waste of money to use fully synthetic oil in a GS 500... They use semi synthetic oil when servicing GS 500's that's all they need he stated... The fully synth only glaze the engine, not good for it! WTF... :dunno_black: Opinions?
Quote from: peterscotts on April 08, 2013, 12:37:10 AM
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 10:37:19 PM
Quote from: Twisted on March 31, 2013, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Twisted on March 31, 2013, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: peterscotts on March 31, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Only stands to reason, which is just common sense, that's why I mentioned in a thread about what fuel to use, of course the better more expensive shaZam! works better!!!! :cookoo: :flipoff:
Yeh I'll have to disagree with you there. There are cheaper brands out there that do the same job.
Fair enough... Prolly any fully synthetic.... What brand names do you use?
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63116.0
Thanks for that, Twisted... $49.95 @ Super cheap for 5 litres... Sound about right?
:confused: Just spoke with the main man of the service department at Gold Coast Suzuki... Told me it is a waste of money to use fully synthetic oil in a GS 500... They use semi synthetic oil when servicing GS 500's that's all they need he stated... The fully synth only glaze the engine, not good for it! WTF... :dunno_black: Opinions?
Oh and BTW... He said the Fully Synth wouldn't make any difference to the false neutrals. :dunno_black:
How is it a waste of money if the full synth is cheaper than the semi synth? Sure the GS was made to run on mineral oil but its not gonna hurt using something better. People will tell you it is a waste of money running 98 octane in a GS too but I do it. I heard about the "glazing" thing. Apparently it happens if you switch to full synth then go back to a mineral oil. I'm not to clued up on this but mister has been running full synth in his GS forever with no issues.
Like I said by his reasoning even running the GS on semi synth is a waste of money.
"Told me it is a waste of money to use fully synthetic oil in a GS 500... They use semi synthetic oil when servicing GS 500's that's all they need he stated"
People have been saying the same in here for years :D but if full synth makes you feel all warm and fuzzy then go for it, its your cash :thumb:
Some will say fresh oil will improve shifts, I agree it might......... but only because its fresh, not because its full synth.
Bike boxes differ from car boxes, the design is totally different, they are sequential and don't have synchros , baulk rings and helical gears so they cannot be compared. Materials and designs related to bike boxes have improved over the years but you have to remember the basic GS5 is decades old and therefore cannot be compared to the latest offerings which have only just come off the drawing board.
False neutrals will happen occasionaly and your bike is brand new which wont help because things are still going to be tight in there :dunno_black:
I wouldn't worry about it at this stage..........unless it starts happening on a regular basis.
Quote from: Twisted on April 08, 2013, 12:50:19 AM
How is it a waste of money if the full synth is cheaper than the semi synth? Sure the GS was made to run on mineral oil but its not gonna hurt using something better. People will tell you it is a waste of money running 98 octane in a GS too but I do it. I heard about the "glazing" thing. Apparently it happens if you switch to full synth then go back to a mineral oil. I'm not to clued up on this but mister has been running full synth in his GS forever with no issues.
:woohoo: My thoughts exactly... Just a matter of opinion.. I also run 98 and I'll also us FS... Like I say it's just one opinion to another.. Do what you want to do.. What ever you think is best... What ever you like No one can change your own mind set! :D
Quote from: sledge on April 08, 2013, 01:10:07 AM
"Told me it is a waste of money to use fully synthetic oil in a GS 500... They use semi synthetic oil when servicing GS 500's that's all they need he stated"
People have been saying the same in here for years :D but if full synth makes you feel all warm and fuzzy then go for it, its your cash :thumb:
Some will say fresh oil will improve shifts, I agree it might......... but only because its fresh, not because its full synth.
Bike boxes differ from car boxes, the design is totally different, they are sequential and don't have synchros , baulk rings and helical gears so they cannot be compared. Materials and designs related to bike boxes have improved over the years but you have to remember the basic GS5 is decades old and therefore cannot be compared to the latest offerings which have only just come off the drawing board.
False neutrals will happen occasionaly and your bike is brand new which wont help because things are still going to be tight in there :dunno_black:
I wouldn't worry about it at this stage..........unless it starts happening on a regular basis.
So Sledge, what your saying is.. We might as well just use mineral oil as the engine is so old it suits it? What about higher octane fuel, waste of time and monety too? Just asking.. Your opinion. :dunno_black:
Running it on mineral oil wont do it any harm, it was designed to run on mineral oil, just use quality stuff, keep the level up and change it regularly :dunno_black: Then use the money you save for something that you will benefit from....like decent tyres, a new lid, wet weather gear etc.
Some people think that running on full synth will have some miraculous effects on its longevity and performance and that the extra cost is a fair trade.....I am not one of them. However if a GS5 was being used in high ambient temps or if we were talking about a BMW oil-head or the latest R1 or some piece of multivalve fuel injected Italian exotica I might think differently :thumb:
As for high octane fuel....its another one that's been done to death in here. Higher octane does not mean higher power. They are for use in high compression engines that generaly are more powerful but in a GS5 it wont make an ounce of difference to its performance. The only thing you will notice is the hole in your wallet :thumb:
sledge throw a caveat on that, use a higher octane if your going to be pushing your bike hard for a extended period of time. I run 87 for commuting but run 93 (highest in Texas) for track days and canyon carving. It helps keep the engine from predetenating from high heat and extended stress. It can also cause it to run a bit cooler. This is in my F4i(fancy smancy race bike) and my GS500s.
Also, the transmission principals are very similar to a cars, the difference is the dog cut of the teeth and the fact that the forks work in sequence. On every gear there is a gear that is part of the shaft and a gear that is riding on a bearing. When the transmission is turning all the gears are turning in both a car and motorcycle, the difference is the way the shift forks are moved. The gears are all locked to the input or output shafts by the collars that slide between the gears and are moved by the shift forks.
Pete,
Ipswich Suzuki uses Motul 5100 as the oil they put in all bikes. Asking them about oil will get you the answer that Motul 5100 is The oil to use and anything better (more pricey) is a waste.
At the end of the day, you use whatever gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Owning a motorcycle is not the Cheap transport non-riders think it is. Service intervals are sooner, tires need changing way more often, chains, sprockets, etc. If you cannot afford the few extra bucks for the fuel/oil you want to make you feel good, you probably cannot afford a bike at all.
All I can say is based on my experience... my bike came with Motul 1000 in it. As I moved up the chain - motul 3100, 5100, and 300v and now Mobile 1, I noticed the following....
#1 - False neutrals became less with each oil upgrade. And not just when the oil was new.
#2 - Changing gears became less effort with each oil upgrade. Smoother gear changes.
#3 - I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.
#4 - That small little lurch that happens when first putting it into gear, or when starting it in gear after a fill up, is no longer there.
Caveat: My bike has over 60,000kms on it and I've put every single one of those clicks on the bikes. Yes, some wearing of things may have had an effect on how the bikes is, my riding style may have fully adapted to more firm gear changes and other unknown factors too.
Also, if you are taking your bike to GC Suzuki to maintain a record for possible warranty, then let them put in whatever they put in. And wait until the 2 years is up before going with different oil. In all reality, there is very little that goes wrong with these bikes. The only thing that happened with mine was a broken spot weld in the headlight housing. It means my round headlight could be moved around by hand as the top spot weld was broken. Changed out for free. I did't even need to sign anything.
If you want to feel what a mobile 1 gear box is like, we'll meet up and you can take my bike through the gears - we're both on the GC so it's pretty easy for us to do.
Quote from: sledge on April 08, 2013, 08:43:46 AM
Running it on mineral oil wont do it any harm, it was designed to run on mineral oil, just use quality stuff, keep the level up and change it regularly :dunno_black: Then use the money you save for something that you will benefit from....like decent tyres, a new lid, wet weather gear etc.
Some people think that running on full synth will have some miraculous effects on its longevity and performance and that the extra cost is a fair trade.....I am not one of them. However if a GS5 was being used in high ambient temps or if we were talking about a BMW oil-head or the latest R1 or some piece of multivalve fuel injected Italian exotica I might think differently :thumb:
As for high octane fuel....its another one that's been done to death in here. Higher octane does not mean higher power. They are for use in high compression engines that generaly are more powerful but in a GS5 it wont make an ounce of difference to its performance. The only thing you will notice is the hole in your wallet :thumb:
Thanks Sledge! :thumb:
Quote from: mister on April 08, 2013, 03:12:17 PM
Pete,
Ipswich Suzuki uses Motul 5100 as the oil they put in all bikes. Asking them about oil will get you the answer that Motul 5100 is The oil to use and anything better (more pricey) is a waste.
At the end of the day, you use whatever gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Owning a motorcycle is not the Cheap transport non-riders think it is. Service intervals are sooner, tires need changing way more often, chains, sprockets, etc. If you cannot afford the few extra bucks for the fuel/oil you want to make you feel good, you probably cannot afford a bike at all.
All I can say is based on my experience... my bike came with Motul 1000 in it. As I moved up the chain - motul 3100, 5100, and 300v and now Mobile 1, I noticed the following....
#1 - False neutrals became less with each oil upgrade. And not just when the oil was new.
#2 - Changing gears became less effort with each oil upgrade. Smoother gear changes.
#3 - I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.
#4 - That small little lurch that happens when first putting it into gear, or when starting it in gear after a fill up, is no longer there.
Caveat: My bike has over 60,000kms on it and I've put every single one of those clicks on the bikes. Yes, some wearing of things may have had an effect on how the bikes is, my riding style may have fully adapted to more firm gear changes and other unknown factors too.
Also, if you are taking your bike to GC Suzuki to maintain a record for possible warranty, then let them put in whatever they put in. And wait until the 2 years is up before going with different oil. In all reality, there is very little that goes wrong with these bikes. The only thing that happened with mine was a broken spot weld in the headlight housing. It means my round headlight could be moved around by hand as the top spot weld was broken. Changed out for free. I did't even need to sign anything.
If you want to feel what a mobile 1 gear box is like, we'll meet up and you can take my bike through the gears - we're both on the GC so it's pretty easy for us to do.
Thanks for the input mister...
I'll do that for the 1st couple of years and see where we go from there...
Re- #3 -
I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.
Tried it..
I too can push it around, just a fraction harder.
Prolly do that one day.. ( meet up and you can take my bike through the gears)
Thanks for the offer... What part of the Goldie you on mister?
:thumb:
Quote from: peterscotts on April 08, 2013, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: mister on April 08, 2013, 03:12:17 PM
Pete,
Ipswich Suzuki uses Motul 5100 as the oil they put in all bikes. Asking them about oil will get you the answer that Motul 5100 is The oil to use and anything better (more pricey) is a waste.
At the end of the day, you use whatever gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Owning a motorcycle is not the Cheap transport non-riders think it is. Service intervals are sooner, tires need changing way more often, chains, sprockets, etc. If you cannot afford the few extra bucks for the fuel/oil you want to make you feel good, you probably cannot afford a bike at all.
All I can say is based on my experience... my bike came with Motul 1000 in it. As I moved up the chain - motul 3100, 5100, and 300v and now Mobile 1, I noticed the following....
#1 - False neutrals became less with each oil upgrade. And not just when the oil was new.
#2 - Changing gears became less effort with each oil upgrade. Smoother gear changes.
#3 - I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.
#4 - That small little lurch that happens when first putting it into gear, or when starting it in gear after a fill up, is no longer there.
Caveat: My bike has over 60,000kms on it and I've put every single one of those clicks on the bikes. Yes, some wearing of things may have had an effect on how the bikes is, my riding style may have fully adapted to more firm gear changes and other unknown factors too.
Also, if you are taking your bike to GC Suzuki to maintain a record for possible warranty, then let them put in whatever they put in. And wait until the 2 years is up before going with different oil. In all reality, there is very little that goes wrong with these bikes. The only thing that happened with mine was a broken spot weld in the headlight housing. It means my round headlight could be moved around by hand as the top spot weld was broken. Changed out for free. I did't even need to sign anything.
If you want to feel what a mobile 1 gear box is like, we'll meet up and you can take my bike through the gears - we're both on the GC so it's pretty easy for us to do.
Thanks for the input mister...
I'll do that for the 1st couple of years and see where we go from there...
Re- #3 -
I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.
Tried it..
I too can push it around, just a fraction harder.
Prolly do that one day.. ( meet up and you can take my bike through the gears)
Thanks for the offer... What part of the Goldie you on mister?
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Quote from: mister on April 08, 2013, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: peterscotts on April 08, 2013, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: mister on April 08, 2013, 03:12:17 PM
Pete,
Ipswich Suzuki uses Motul 5100 as the oil they put in all bikes. Asking them about oil will get you the answer that Motul 5100 is The oil to use and anything better (more pricey) is a waste.
At the end of the day, you use whatever gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Owning a motorcycle is not the Cheap transport non-riders think it is. Service intervals are sooner, tires need changing way more often, chains, sprockets, etc. If you cannot afford the few extra bucks for the fuel/oil you want to make you feel good, you probably cannot afford a bike at all.
All I can say is based on my experience... my bike came with Motul 1000 in it. As I moved up the chain - motul 3100, 5100, and 300v and now Mobile 1, I noticed the following....
#1 - False neutrals became less with each oil upgrade. And not just when the oil was new.
#2 - Changing gears became less effort with each oil upgrade. Smoother gear changes.
#3 - I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.
#4 - That small little lurch that happens when first putting it into gear, or when starting it in gear after a fill up, is no longer there.
Caveat: My bike has over 60,000kms on it and I've put every single one of those clicks on the bikes. Yes, some wearing of things may have had an effect on how the bikes is, my riding style may have fully adapted to more firm gear changes and other unknown factors too.
Also, if you are taking your bike to GC Suzuki to maintain a record for possible warranty, then let them put in whatever they put in. And wait until the 2 years is up before going with different oil. In all reality, there is very little that goes wrong with these bikes. The only thing that happened with mine was a broken spot weld in the headlight housing. It means my round headlight could be moved around by hand as the top spot weld was broken. Changed out for free. I did't even need to sign anything.
If you want to feel what a mobile 1 gear box is like, we'll meet up and you can take my bike through the gears - we're both on the GC so it's pretty easy for us to do.
Thanks for the input mister...
I'll do that for the 1st couple of years and see where we go from there...
Re- #3 -
I can now leave my bike in gear, pull in the clutch and push the bike around (when it is stone cold). Try this with your bike I bet you cannot do it.
Tried it..
I too can push it around, just a fraction harder.
Prolly do that one day.. ( meet up and you can take my bike through the gears)
Thanks for the offer... What part of the Goldie you on mister?
:thumb:
Check your Private Messages...
Done... Check yours..