I swear if I hear one more person tell me pit bull terriers are misunderstood and no more aggressive than any other dog I might just punch a baby.
I go to the dog park every day. And many many times these idiots will show up with their pit bull(s). Most of the regulars will move to the opposite end of the park and try to keep their dogs away from them. Why? Because we have seen this show too many times. So many times a fight breaks out.
Last night, a chihuahua got pounded by a pit, that for 30 minutes somehow managed to stay out of trouble, then *boom* out of nowhere it decided to tear up this little dog. The chihuahua owner was standing next to her dog and somehow grabbed the pit by the collar and lift the dog off hers which ran off screaming.
Note to you pit owners: We DO understand your dogs. We have seen them in action. In my case and others we have seen them try to attack our dogs. You want to own a blood thirsty killer? Do it in the comfort of your own home please.
Simple solution when you're there with your dog: carry a gun. Get a concealed carry permit. Get a small, compact .22.
The pit bull attacked. You were protecting yourself and others. A simple pulling of the gun might get the owner to control the dog. If not, one shot in the air. Still attacking? Pretend the pit bull is a raccoon. I know what to do with raccoons.
A good pellet pistol might be enough to scare away the dog. Get the BB tipped pellets. They pack a whollop. Raccoons don't like them. Pellet pistol would present fewer legal issues if someone wanted to be an @$$hole about it.
Video it, too. Proof the dog was vicious.
I like cats. Cats do not attack and kill other cats, dogs or babies or children the way dogs do. Cats control the rodent population which is a good thing (and why cats started living with humans once we started farming and storing grain.)
No problems here with PitBulls as they have been BANNED from ownership in this area.
It is illegal to own one :thumb:
as much as I like dogs, and a mild mannered pit, ill blast it if I see it attacking unprovoked.
Pit bulls are nuts. Even though they are outlawed here in NSW, they are still very common here. The owners say they are "american staffordshire cross" breed. Next door has one, and it almost made it over my fence trying to attack my german shepherd til i punched it in the face! :) Fact is they were bred for aggression, and a leopard doesn't change it's spots.
The only good pit bull ever was Pete in the old Little Rascals show. That was probably before they started breeding them as killers.
I think petey was a bull arab terrier though.
I had heard pit bull, but I hate dogs and don't know breeds except dogs kill so you might be right. The circle on his eye was make-up, though. I do know that!.
CATS RULE!
The new Pete is a pit ... The original Pete was a American Staffordshire terrier
Quote from: codajastal on October 15, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
No problems here with PitBulls as they have been BANNED from ownership in this area.
It is illegal to own one :thumb:
Oh yea ... oh yea ... what about your avatar the TAZ ... true killer if there ever was one. :D
Yes pit bull's suck, so do many other dogs ... the problem is the owners as much as the dogs.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on October 16, 2013, 04:42:58 AM
Quote from: codajastal on October 15, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
No problems here with PitBulls as they have been BANNED from ownership in this area.
It is illegal to own one :thumb:
Oh yea ... oh yea ... what about your avatar the TAZ ... true killer if there ever was one. :D
Yes pit bull's suck, so do many other dogs ... the problem is the owners as much as the dogs.
Cool.
Buddha.
never heard of a Tassie Devil trying to fight and kill a dog at the park before? :)
And yes I agree about the owners.
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The pits, can be raised gentle. BUT theres always that agressiveness. for some reason, can be unleashed. and usually the answer is, " idk why it did that, it was ALWAYS gentle. look at the scientific assesment of of their build. the jaws especially have some SEVERE power to them. very difficult to get one to unclamp from a bite.
QuoteI like cats. Cats do not attack and kill other cats...
Well, in my house... But those two are siblings, and they're constantly going at it for no reason. Sorry, that one little point called to me. :)
This thread is mildly infuriating.
Quote from: Zookmang on October 16, 2013, 12:14:07 AMFact is they were bred for aggression, and a leopard doesn't change it's spots.
Pits were not bred for aggression. In fact, pits have been stereotypically used for dog fighting for just the opposite reason: they are not naturally aggressive towards humans. They are very protective of humans (not just their owners, unless specifically trained to be so), and in the past were considered a nanny dog because they were so gentle and protective around small children.
That said, if I owned a pit I would not take it to a dog park. The problem with pits is often their owners don't understand them. As I said, pits are very protective dogs, especially when around other dogs they aren't familiar with. If you take a pit to a dog park, it will be on edge, and one quick movement from a nearby dog could set it off. It is irresponsible for owners to take pits to dog parks. That doesn't make the dog bad, that makes the owner an idiot.
Quote from: RossLH on October 16, 2013, 09:56:35 AM
This thread is mildly infuriating.
Quote from: Zookmang on October 16, 2013, 12:14:07 AMFact is they were bred for aggression, and a leopard doesn't change it's spots.
That said, if I owned a pit I would not take it to a dog park. [...] It is irresponsible for owners to take pits to dog parks. That doesn't make the dog bad, that makes the owner an idiot.
Quote from: johnAnd many many times these idiots will show up with their pit bull(s).
Quote from: tmbr_wulf on October 16, 2013, 08:42:22 AM
QuoteI like cats. Cats do not attack and kill other cats...
Well, in my house... But those two are siblings, and they're constantly going at it for no reason. Sorry, that one little point called to me. :)
According to Jackson on "My Cat from Hell", that behavior is usually due to how their home is set up. They each need their areas and probably they can't each have their own territory. Something like that. Separate food dishes, separate boxes, separate cat condos.... Cool show to watch. It's on Animal Planet.
Ah, but the important thing is they are not killing people or each other. Dogs would have fought to the death. Videos of kitty fights?
Digs: The good 'ol "They are protective". and what does that mean? They protect - to the death - their owner. In other words, kill everything except their owner. Isn't that what "protective" really is? Another dog comes near in the dog part and ATTACK! PROTECT OWNER FROM OTHER DOG! A person shows up? ATTACK! PROTECT OWNER FROM OTHER PERSON! I don't think it means to bark once and ask them to go away.
Quote from: adidasguy on October 16, 2013, 11:03:25 AMDigs: The good 'ol "They are protective". and what does that mean? They protect - to the death - their owner. In other words, kill everything except their owner. Isn't that what "protective" really is? Another dog comes near in the dog part and ATTACK! PROTECT OWNER FROM OTHER DOG! A person shows up? ATTACK! PROTECT OWNER FROM OTHER PERSON! I don't think it means to bark once and ask them to go away.
Pits will not attack people unless specifically trained to. It is against their nature.
Quote from: RossLH on October 16, 2013, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on October 16, 2013, 11:03:25 AMDigs: The good 'ol "They are protective". and what does that mean? They protect - to the death - their owner. In other words, kill everything except their owner. Isn't that what "protective" really is? Another dog comes near in the dog part and ATTACK! PROTECT OWNER FROM OTHER DOG! A person shows up? ATTACK! PROTECT OWNER FROM OTHER PERSON! I don't think it means to bark once and ask them to go away.
Pits will not attack people unless specifically trained to. It is against their nature.
there is a difference between "PROTECT" and "GO GET HIM BOY!"
The latter, that requires training to obey commands to go out and bite the crap out of someone for no reason other than obeying your trainer.
The former will happen all the time. Walk into a dog's territory and get bitten. Hence all the "beware of dog" signs and "don't pet a strange dog". Those dogs are not trained to attack, but have a natural instinct to guard their territory and often are trained to protect (which means bite the crap out of anyone that gets close.) Cats will most always run away or want your affection or give attitude then walk away. They won't attack you unless you grab them and they don't want it.
Cats, having more dexterity in their paws will often swat and bite as a last resort, for that "get away" action. Dogs: never seen one swat with a paw to tell you to go away. They bark with frothing mouth then bite. Cats go after mice and small birds. Dogs attack large animals and attack solo and in packs.
Quote from: adidasguy on October 16, 2013, 11:27:47 AMDogs: never seen one swat with a paw to tell you to go away. They bark with frothing mouth then bite. Cats go after mice and small birds. Dogs attack large animals and attack solo and in packs.
Dogs have very distinct body language, far before they even make noise. If you can't recognize that, it's your own fault.
Whatever....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313892/Shocking-CCTV-clip-shows-pit-bull-owner-HELPING-dog-savage-pregnant-cat-death.html
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I have to agree that it's not in the dog's nature to attack humans for the most part. They are protective of their owners, like most dogs, and can be as mean as any other dog raised improperly.
Ask me how many times I've been bitten/bitten at by a pit? 0
Then ask me how many times I've been bitten by a small breed dog like a chihuahua or other high-strung animal? At least half a dozen, probably more times. I can't count the number of times I've been around a small dog like that that will come up and try to bite my ankles and is extremely aggressive.
The problem is not the dog itself, it's the owners. Much like a child, if you raise a dog right it will be exactly what it's supposed to be: Man's Best Friend.
And moreover...what about how it's in most dogs' nature to attack cats? The only ones that don't are the ones that are raised properly. Even then, it's still the dog's nature. Most dogs have this and I guarantee you if a cat gets trapped with a dog that isn't 100% fine with them, it'll end up dead. Does that mean dogs should be outlawed or something else ridiculous? No. Making a dog or other animal illegal based on stereotypes is stupid.
Quote from: adidasguy on October 16, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
Whatever....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313892/Shocking-CCTV-clip-shows-pit-bull-owner-HELPING-dog-savage-pregnant-cat-death.html
QuoteHe was repeatedly kicking the poor cat, it was horrific
Blame the dog. :icon_rolleyes:
Dog attacked cat first. Owner just doing what dog did. Stupid owner.
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Where do you think the dog learned it from? Clearly the owner is a piece of sh1t.
Dogs are not autonomous creatures. They constantly learn from and feed off the behaviors of their owners.
Quote from: RossLH on October 16, 2013, 01:55:17 PM
Quote from: adidasguy on October 16, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
Whatever....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313892/Shocking-CCTV-clip-shows-pit-bull-owner-HELPING-dog-savage-pregnant-cat-death.html
QuoteHe was repeatedly kicking the poor cat, it was horrific
Blame the dog. :icon_rolleyes:
Am I the only one who sees it as the owner trying to get that cat off the dog? Granted, and this is the biggest point here,
the dog started the fight. However, what exactly would YOU have done in this situation? Some cat you don't even know is mauling your dog...are you going to just stand back and watch? No. Are you going to try to separate them with your arms/hands? Probably not for fear of getting bitten/scratched/etc.. I don't think firing a gun in public would go over well either. So unless you have some kind of stick or something with you, the most logical solution is to try to get your foot/leg between them.
Again, I'm not really taking sides with this guy kicking an animal repeatedly like that. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate a little.
Cat saves fellow feline from sniper attack my raging pit bull. Story at 11.
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Quote from: Kijona on October 16, 2013, 02:03:50 PMHowever, what exactly would YOU have done in this situation?
I'd subdue the dog and remove it from the area.
(And before anyone tries to say I can't subdue a little pit, I've wrestled down some much bigger dogs that were pretty unhappy to see me. I wouldn't have any problem with a pit.)
thats not a good situation... whichever way its looked at ..
that dog though... is a Bull Terrier (http://www.bullyview.com/tommy.jpg)
.. but not a Pit Bull .. (http://downloadwallpapershd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pit-Bull-Dog-HD-Wallpaper.jpg)
....
agreed the bull terrier is still a very hardy/tough and semi aggressive dog , still has the 'lock jaw' ... but not the ferocity of a pit bull .. and yes there are bull terriers and pit bulls that are 'placid and lovely dogs around their owners and families' .. at times...
that owner should know better though... he probably could have reined the dog in if he was watching.. before it grabbed the cat... if he cant control the lunges of the dog.. then thats the wrong dog! ...
even walking a Labrador (food vaccum) that i used to have... and we had cats at home that would snuggle up with him... out on a walk i had to keep an eye out for 'stranger' cats... cos the dog would get excited and rush up to say hello.. the cats would hiss and spit and swipe .. then it could be a situation... almost happened twice... so even with a floppy labrador you need to keep the hound on a firm lead or harness and watch out for whats around...
and yes i do feel bad for the cat
Quote from: Janx101 on October 16, 2013, 02:23:15 PMstill has the 'lock jaw'
The jaws of pits do not lock. Their bites are not as strong as the average domesticated dog. If you're afraid of strong bites, stay away from rottweilers; the bite of a rottweiler is about 50% stronger than that of a pit bull.
Quote from: RossLH on October 16, 2013, 02:34:58 PM
Quote from: Janx101 on October 16, 2013, 02:23:15 PMstill has the 'lock jaw'
The jaws of pits do not lock. Their bites are not as strong as the average domesticated dog. If you're afraid of strong bites, stay away from rottweilers; the bite of a rottweiler is about 50% stronger than that of a pit bull.
uh .. ok then... a friends female pit must be a freak then... cos that biatch locks! .. last time onto the lawnmower wheel when he was in the yard... suppose there are always minor variations in the individual breeding line/parentage :dunno_black:
rottweiler is generally 50% bigger too... :icon_question: .. which brings to mind... wonder what the bite of a irish wolfhound or rhodesian ridgeback cross would be? :icon_eek:
honestly... i do not personally have any 'beef' with pitbulls.... just with their owners that do not/cannot control them properly .. and with the true 'muttdogs' that fight them against other animals... :cheers: .. the dogs may have have a bit of a mean streak in certain circumstances... but ownership itself should have much stricter controls... none of this "uhhh well the dawg is reely good around the kiddies.. and i dont understand how it could have got through our hodgepodge rotten fence!?" .. make sure the dog is secure! or wear the financial consequences ....
which a lot of the owners CANT .. cos 'they gots no money!' ... hrrmm... maybe some form of $$$ insurance that solely focusses on the victims of the dog IF its not controlled.... and still loss of the dog in the meantime... so ... sure you can have a pitbull! .. live it up! .. but THIS is what its going to cost you!! .. no insurance... community service... lockup .. other penalty that impinges on the 'lifestyle' ?? ... 200 hours of picking up dog crap in public parks maybe? .. per offence .. and increasing value of hours with each offence... NO ONE like picking up random dog crap!! :dunno_black:
Quote from: Janx101 on October 16, 2013, 04:47:40 PMuh .. ok then... a friends female pit must be a freak then... cos that biatch locks! .. last time onto the lawnmower wheel when he was in the yard... suppose there are always minor variations in the individual breeding line/parentage :dunno_black:
They certainly have a determined bite, but there is no mechanism in their jaw that locks the jaw in the closed position. It's just a simple bite and hold, which again is a pretty average number for domesticated dogs.
fair enough then ... the dog does make some fierce noises while on 'lawnmower patrol' ... and he doesnt exactly get right down in there and wiggle his fingers about near her teeth! ..
he has lifted the dog (biting the wheel) and the mower (only just) completely off the ground before... he got tired first...
he refers to it as locking... i'll mention it ... no prob really...
in a way it could even be funnier that even without a lockjaw she is that bloody determined! .. :icon_lol:
he had to stop tying her up or locking her inside the house while he mowed .. she was starting to damage herself and the house! .. and the washing line pole started to lean too... and its always the left front wheel ... he took the wheel off and she just ran beside the mower and 'SCREAMED' .. weird.. neighbours started to complain... so he goes to old mower places and stocks up on spare wheels each year ... yes he could probably 'cesar milan' train her out of it... but she IS old now... nearly 13 and looks so happy to have 'got that bastard mower' again... he hasnt the heart to stop it.
as a younger dog he took her to weight pulling competitions... she used to pull over 2000lbs... but i cant remember how much over... a pretty determined pup! .. think the rules are/were .. keep piling bags of kibble/other dog food pellets onto a pallet.. last dog standing wins the pallet of food!? ... he used to give a lot of it back to the comp or away to other owners... more the sporting aspect of it and the dogs happy face after a comp day.
anyway .. another long winded comment...
i wouldnt own a pit ... just not my style of dog.. waaaaaaay too energetic...
.. maybe another Labrador.... st bernard? ... british bulldog? ... (wanders off) .. maybe a bull mastiff .. hmmm
Quote from: RossLH on October 16, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: Janx101 on October 16, 2013, 04:47:40 PMuh .. ok then... a friends female pit must be a freak then... cos that biatch locks! .. last time onto the lawnmower wheel when he was in the yard... suppose there are always minor variations in the individual breeding line/parentage :dunno_black:
They certainly have a determined bite, but there is no mechanism in their jaw that locks the jaw in the closed position. It's just a simple bite and hold, which again is a pretty average number for domesticated dogs.
the muscles on the pits jaws I think is what most are referring to.
Quote from: Janx101 on October 16, 2013, 08:04:19 PM.. maybe another Labrador.... st bernard? ... british bulldog? ... (wanders off) .. maybe a bull mastiff .. hmmm
I've had labs my whole life. They're just big, happy idiots. Gotta love them. A friend of mine had a very aggressive bull mastiff. That thing was 140lbs of roid rage. Definitely didn't like new people (she was rescued from an abusive household, had a few quirks), but she warmed up to me after I pinned her to the ground.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 16, 2013, 08:17:36 PMthe muscles on the pits jaws I think is what most are referring to.
It's nothing any other breed of dog cant do. I've picked a 105lb labrador retriever up by a rope, and she wasn't a particularly fit dog. There's really nothing special about a pit's jaw, jaw muscles, teeth, any of that stuff.
can a pits jaws be unclamped from whatever its clamped on to?
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 16, 2013, 08:57:42 PM
can a pits jaws be unclamped from whatever its clamped on to?
i aint stickin my hand in to find out!!! :icon_eek: :D
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 16, 2013, 08:57:42 PM
can a pits jaws be unclamped from whatever its clamped on to?
Yes, with a crowbar.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 16, 2013, 08:57:42 PM
can a pits jaws be unclamped from whatever its clamped on to?
Yes, just like any other dog.
Quote from: RossLH on October 16, 2013, 09:45:03 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 16, 2013, 08:57:42 PM
can a pits jaws be unclamped from whatever its clamped on to?
Yes, just like any other dog.
weird. I hear otherwise from many places. will look into this :thumb:no intention to ever own one, but many thanks
http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/truth-about-pit-bulls
Pit Bull Myths
There are numerous myths circulating about pit bulls, some invented by people who are afraid of the breed and others disseminated by well-meaning pit bull advocates. A few of the most common myths follow:
"Pit bulls have locking jaws!" This is patently false. There is nothing unique about the anatomy of pit bull jaws. They do not "lock." The pit bull's fighting style, like that of other terriers, usually involves grabbing and shaking. Perhaps because of their hunting and bull-baiting history, some pit bulls also have a tendency to grab and hold on with determination. This does not mean that they can't or won't let go of another dog once they bite. However, because they're powerful dogs, pit bulls do have strong jaw muscles. Like all dog parents, pit bull parents should know how to break up a dog fight. Please see our article on Breaking up a Dog Fight to learn more about this important topic.
"If a pit bull bites another dog, he's going to start biting people next." Research confirms that dog-aggressive dogs are no more likely to direct aggression toward people than dogs who aren't aggressive to other dogs. In fact, some of the best fighting dogs are the most trustworthy with people.
"All pit bulls are gentle angels who can be left unsupervised with dogs of any size, cats and other animals." Pit bulls aren't vicious monsters—but they are dogs who have been bred to fight with other dogs. While some pit bulls are indeed very easygoing, others should not be left alone with other dogs, cats or other pets. Pit bulls are strong, determined dogs. It might not be a pit bull who starts a disagreement, but he may be the one to finish it.
"The dog park is a great place to socialize pit bulls." This statement is sometimes true. Some pit bulls visit dog parks on a daily basis to frolic happily with many dog friends. For others, however, the dog park isn't an appropriate place to play. This raises quite a dilemma for some urban pit bull parents. Pit bulls are high-energy dogs and need lots of exercise, but some just aren't good candidates for the dog park. Because they're very muscular and easily excited, friendly pit bulls can sometimes overwhelm and even injure their playmates during rough games. And pit bulls may become aggressive more quickly when exposed to the hectic, high-octane energy of a dog park environment. If there's a squabble, a pit bull may be one of the first dogs to jump into the fray. For these reasons, many responsible pit bull parents find other ways to exercise their dogs. (See Pit Bull Needs, below, for tips on exercising your pit bull.)
It is a very commonly repeated myth. I like to debunk the negativity surrounding pits, because they really are great dogs. The fact that they get banned from entire cities due to completely unfounded fear is awful. I've seen too many of my good friends give up their awesome dogs when moving to a new place because the dogs slightly resemble a pit mix. It's just fear mongering with absolutely no factual backing.
Quote from: codajastal on October 16, 2013, 11:12:48 PM
http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/truth-about-pit-bulls
Pit Bull Myths
There are numerous myths circulating about pit bulls, some invented by people who are afraid of the breed and others disseminated by well-meaning pit bull advocates. A few of the most common myths follow:
Blah blah blah ... the Tazmanian devil is just a pit bull on steroids.
I am not picking on you coda - but the Taz in your avatar yes that is getting it.
Cool.
Buddha.
Well, if your dog attacks me or anyone else related to me it will be the very last thing it ever does and I don't give a rat's ass why it was provoked or being protective. Unless it was being obviously threatened ~ and that means obvious to anyone, not just people who 'should' know ~ a dog in a public area that threatens harm needs to be banned from public areas and a dog in a public area that causes harm needs to be eliminated.
I think whoever here said dogs learn this behavior from owners is wrong. I thinks that's bunk, they already own this behavior. I do however think they can be trained to do it on demand. Dog's go after things because something triggers their primal instinct to hunt/chase. Take a pack of wolves for example. They don't have any human influence yet let a rabbit pop up out of a bush and see what happens. The German Sheppard/Collie mix I had as a kid would hunt all day long. She was not hungry, or aggressive but would pounce on any little furry critter that caught it's eye. Many times she would bring me a dead critter as a "gift". Cats will do the same if left to their own devices.
The attack in the video was pure instinct. The owner never saw it coming. NO dog can be trusted or predictable 100% of the time. Every dog, even the most well trained dog, can and will "lose it" at some point.....it could be a minor nip or something more serious (queues little old lady, "oh my he's never done that before").
Quote from: RossLH on October 16, 2013, 02:09:52 PM
Quote from: Kijona on October 16, 2013, 02:03:50 PMHowever, what exactly would YOU have done in this situation?
I'd subdue the dog and remove it from the area.
(And before anyone tries to say I can't subdue a little pit, I've wrestled down some much bigger dogs that were pretty unhappy to see me. I wouldn't have any problem with a pit.)
So you're going to get yourself between a scratching/biting cat and a biting/scratching dog and get your arms/face all torn up in the process?
The only possible thing I could see is physically separating the animals with your leg/foot or some object then picking up the dog.
hrrrm .. subduing a pair of fighting animals .. whichever type... by getting in the middle?... tricky!...certainly possible... but tricky... :icon_neutral:
think proactive control is the better option to start with...
why put an ambulance station at the bottom of a cliff to patch people up... when you can have a nice secure fence or barricade up at the lookout on top of the cliff so the dopey buggers dont fall/slip off in the first place? :dunno_black:
of course you always gonna get the thrillseekers that just HAVE to hang their asses out in the breeze .. thats where Darwin comes into effect ;)
Quote from: Kijona on October 17, 2013, 01:54:37 PMSo you're going to get yourself between a scratching/biting cat and a biting/scratching dog and get your arms/face all torn up in the process?
The only possible thing I could see is physically separating the animals with your leg/foot or some object then picking up the dog.
I'd only be worried about getting scratched by the cat in that situation. I know how to handle dogs, not so much cats.
That said, I'm not going to dive in face first. I'd probably get some scratches on my arms, but that'll buff right out.
that'll buff right out... :icon_lol: ..
gold!
I live in a strict liability state. That means of my dog bites a person for ANY reason I am liable.
That means children are not allowed in our dog parks (and when people bring their kids I call the cops). Ya I am a bastard that way.
I keep my dog under strict control. He is socialized but is leery of strangers. I keep him under strict guard and a short leash.
People that own dogs and don't control them strictly are the same people that have unruly kids and screwed up lives.
good call there John... :thumb:
.. what if you bite someone?... does the dog get busted for an unruly owner? ;) :icon_razz:
Quote from: Janx101 on October 17, 2013, 09:24:33 PM
good call there John... :thumb:
.. what if you bite someone?... does the dog get busted for an unruly owner? ;) :icon_razz:
hahahaha lmfao
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Well said, John.
Every time you hear of a dog bite, mauling or facial eat-off by a dog, the owner always says "But he's such a sweet doggie. He would never do anything like that", while the records show a dozen complaints for a dangerous, vicious dog.
We had a shooting in at a dog park here about a year ago. Off duty cop at a dog park walking his leashed dog when another off-leash dog ran over and attacked his dog. He yelled for owner to control the dog (that failed). So, he shot the other dog dead :2guns:.
The media made him out to be a viscous murderer that should be hung for protecting his dog. They blamed him for having his dog on a leash even though it's the law. They said the attack would not have happened had his dog been able to run away.
Quote from: john on October 17, 2013, 08:37:09 PMPeople that own dogs and don't control them strictly are the same people that have unruly kids and screwed up lives.
And these are the very people who need to not own pit bulls.
Quote from: RossLH on October 18, 2013, 06:43:00 AM
Quote from: john on October 17, 2013, 08:37:09 PMPeople that own dogs and don't control them strictly are the same people that have unruly kids and screwed up lives.
And these are the very people who need to not own pit bulls.
Amen! And sadly often they are the ones that own them...
Quote from: john on October 18, 2013, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: RossLH on October 18, 2013, 06:43:00 AM
Quote from: john on October 17, 2013, 08:37:09 PMPeople that own dogs and don't control them strictly are the same people that have unruly kids and screwed up lives.
And these are the very people who need to not own pit bulls.
Amen! And sadly often they are the ones that own them...
And the ones that say " lil be damned she/he never has done that before" they are VERY strong bodywise. if youre going to own one, be able to control it. walk it. try not to let it walk you
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 18, 2013, 01:16:31 PM
be able to control it. walk it. try not to let it walk you
as the Great Sage known as Yoda said...
"try not ... DO or DO NOT .. there is no try!" ;) :thumb:
Out loud , i do laugh. if a pit attacks or shows aggression, or any dog for that matter. it wlil go Tango Uniformaka tîts up. blasted or euthanized. its a liability at that point. last thing i need is to be sued again lol.
I used to cut this guy's lawn that had this massive German Shepherd. It was the most threatening and aggressive dog I've ever seen. You couldn't get anywhere near it because it would try to bite at you, even through the fence. The owner always said things like "oh he's really friendly he's just playing" - bullshit. The dog was not wagging its tail, was not bouncing around happy, no...he was growling and barking threateningly.
What sucked was the dog stayed in a part of the yard that you had to walk through to get to the back yard. There was no other way back there and if the owner wasn't home I damn sure wasn't about to try to open the gate with the dog trying to bite my hand. Then the owner would Buddha Loves You about the back yard not being done. Needless to say I don't have that account any longer.