Well me and MK1incali were commin up 41 east today (saturday) (just got home from ER typing one handed plz excuse me, lol). About 20 min into the ride back from pismo, well 20 min on 41 that is. We came up to a nice right, I took that at about 60 or so and then an IMMEDIATE left came up.      
I should have leaned harder to make the turn but instead i pulled an MSF and straightened to full brake. I dont remember much from here, my front tire washed out once i hit the gravel. I remember saying (or thinking?) oh shaZam! and once on the groung saying where the hell is my visor (it folded up) cause i could see rocks.

After that i remember trying to stand up and falling repeatedly, i apparently said things to tony like im fine lets get moving in between falling over but i dont remember. We got the CBR moved and some guy came and offered a ride into town. We (scott and tony, at this time i couldnt move my arm) loaded the bike up and met our ride back into town at rite aid.

As for damage:

Bike: totalled, forks are gone, from what i saw tail light is shot tail is gone, i will know more monday.

Me: Helmet is CRACKED right in the center from where my head dive bombed into a rock (im assuming that accounts for the memory blurriness). Landed on mt left shoulder firt then head into the ground. My leather jacket saved my arm, and my helmet saved my life im sure, I was wearing jeans and normal shoes (wont happen again now...) so i got some nice rash on my left leg. I went to the ER in town at home (4 or 5 hours after the crash). I have a seperated shoulder, which hurts pretty friggin bad. The rash had to be XCRUBBED out, which hurt WAY more than my shoulder does,

Anyways im fine, bike is gone but ill get another when im all healed up. Hopefullt tony will chime in cause im sure i forgit something, and he can fill in the holes,

Ride safe, AND WEAR YOUR GEAR, it saved my life it will save yours too.

(sorry for the long one handed post, lol took me almost 20 min.)

your lucky I am not there I'd be poking your rash.   going does it hurt now?  just wait the fun is going to begin.

i bet im already starting to stiffen up, waitin for pain meds to kick in so i can lay on my bac to sleep.

keep walking around the house, if you have rash on your knees  sleep with your legs bent so the scabs don't crack in the morning and if you have a camel bac. sleep with that next to you, when you wake you are not going to want to try to sit up to take pain pills.  the worst is when you wake up.

Danny's got the story pretty straight there, I'd like to add the following:

1- We were 5-10 miles east of Atascadero on the 41, not 20 minutes into the 41.  We took PCH up to the end/beginning of 41, and were 20-30 mins from that point, which Danny is thinking of.  According to a few passerby, that corner is pretty infamous on the Central Coast for being a killer.

2- I was going about the same speed on my mom's YZF600R, in front of Danny, and made the corner.

The difference between the two of us?  For starters, bike prep.  My bike had clean front brakes, fresh pads and rotors, matching stickyness tires.  Rider prep?  I've got 12 years of experience on various styles of motorcycle, streetbike for 5 years.  Danny's got 5 months.  I've been on the road before, albeit almost 6 months ago, on a different bike, going the other way, but I still had a distant image in my mind of what the road was doing.

I'd say the main thing was looking ahead, and having that reaction, not skill, mind you, to lean it over, rather than trying to stop before the corner's edge.  

I remember back in the day, reading a Gordon Jennings article on why motorcyclists crash.  He had done a ton of research, and had found most people do exactly what Danny did, which is pull the bike upright, and grab a handful of brake.  This results in either washing the front tire out, or driving straight into whatever you wanted to avoid, be it cliff, wall, tree, ditch, etc.  Very few people lean it over too far and lose traction from what is effectively trying to turn too hard.

Yea live and learn. Many could haves and should haves (ie my entry speed, my cornering ability). All i can do is figure out what went wrong and learn from it. This is also an excuse to save up and buy a nice CBR .

And finally change your sig.

a new custom title,  "....and someday I'll lean over"

Ah man, that sucks!

I did the exact same thing, albeit at much slower speed, with the same result:  pulled-up, applied brake, hit the marbles and high-sided right into the pavement.  In retrospect, I'm sure I could've made the corner but it was a tough call at the time (for me, anyway).  It was a really tight right immediately into an equally tight (and blind) left on a very small canyon road.  Went wide on the right turn, and rather than hang my head over the stripe for a car to lop off on the left I decided to pull-up.  I probably had enough traction to lean it harder right then toss it left but I was too afraid of low-siding into traffic or off the cliff.

Bottom-line:  I was clearly driving beyond my skill-level and it bit me in the shoulder, ribs, and knee.  

Anyway, I'm glad you made it out in decent shape and I hope you heal quick!

-Gavin

Did the same thing about 3 or 4 weeks ago.  Doing between 40 and 50 aroudn a right hander.  Was wearing full gear and the only damage was a broken toe ( I think).  My back is still sore, but it was always kinda sore before.  Bike came out of it pretty good and it is all fixed and rideable now.

I think they need to teach a little more in the MSF.  If I had just leaned more and gave a little more throttle I would have made the corner, but I too pulled the MSF and straightened up to brake.  Live and learn.

Sorry to hear about your mishap.  Hope you get better soon.
Besides the experience there is one more factor.
When you ride as a group you have a tendency to look at the guy
ahead of you.  A few months ago there were three of us riding.  I was in the middle.  We were going along and all of a sudden on a road that was making a tight left I'm off the pavement.  The ground was dry and I was on the DL650 so I was able to ride it back onto the pavement.  Never touched the brakes.  If I did I was gonner.   The funny part about it I was watching the guy in back of me in the mirror the whole way.  He was busy watching me and he went off the pavement, I could see the dust.  He was on a KLR650 so he rode it back onto the pavement.  
The lesson learned is that, don't make all your decisions based on what the guy is doing in front.  Don't get fixated.  Give yourself a little more room on roads that you are not familiar with.

Did you wake up "healed" to your sheets today???

My brother took a spill when he first started riding... He had to peel himself off the bed a few times...And yeah the scrubbing of the rash hurt like hell I'm sure ( My brother also didn't enjoy that part..).


Always look where you want to go... You did ok by not freezing up tho...

Heal up.

Wowee man ... you crashed a couple weeks ago too right when the chain snapped right ... The same bike That got fixed and you crashed again ...
Glad you're OK ... makes you think if the big guy up there is trying to tell you somehting ... I'm thinking along the lines of ... stay off that CBR Dammit ...
Cool.
Srinath.

Glad you are still here to be able to talk about. Things could be worse and bikes can be replaced. Crashing is not all bad, as long as you learn from your mistakes. I have crashed and I have learned, plenty of times.

You mention somthing about doing a "MSF and straightened to full brake". Is this something that is taught in the MSF course? If it is then someone needs to tell them that they really f--ked up on this one. I have not been to a MSF course. But there is one thing that really stuck out when I went to the EBRS racing school.....

No matter what happens when turning, TURN.

Most bikes nowdays will out handle the average rider even when you think they are at their limits.

Heal well and get back in the saddle.  

Quote from: dgyverYou mention somthing about doing a "MSF and straightened to full brake". Is this something that is taught in the MSF course?

I just did MSF last month and this is the technique they teach for an emergency stop in the middle of the turn (e.g. coming up suddenly on a stalled car, object in the road).

I dug out the MSF stuff to double check the wording.

To be fair to them, they are talking about emergency stopping when the road is blocked. Also, the emphasis is on NOT braking while turning.

But I agree that MSF could do a better job of letting riders know that pulling up and stopping in a curve IS NOT a solution to hitting a corner too fast.

Regardless of training, I think braking is always the strongest instinct when feeling out of control. It takes a lot of practice to overcome that instinct and do the right thing. I don't claim to have reached that point by any measure!!

daniely, keep the road rash moist for less discomfort. when I had really big patches across both my shoulders, I would shower once an hour, and I used neosporin with pain reliever when I wanted to try and get some sleep.

The MSF course did teach it in relation to a blocked roadway/hazard, but that is all they taught.  Consequently that is all I knew when I got in trouble.  They should just add in that it is not a solution to entering a corner too hot for comfort.  Lean more and turn is obviously the best course of action, but I went for what I was told/taught (even thought it was not the correct/best course of action).  I know better now though and don't plan on making that mistake again.

Later

matt

Regardless of training, I think braking is always the strongest instinct when feeling out of control. It takes a lot of practice to overcome that instinct and do the right thing. I don't claim to have reached that point by any measure!!

The only way to overcome the instinct of straightening up the bike is a lot of experience.  

The way to get that experience in a hurry, is to go do some track days.

Nobody in a panic situation is going to lean a bike furher than they ever have to save themselves.  You first have to learn how far you can lean a bike, and then learn to trust that lean angle.  On the street, you might low side the bike at a lean angle that you could get away with on the track, but at least it will be a lowside, and you will have at least started to turn before it happens.

One time in the mountains of Arizona I came around a curve on a RZ350 that I was touring on, and I was loaded with gear.  Tank bag, soft luggage, stuff piled on the seat.  Any way, I caught a large gust of wind while negotiating a left hand curve at about 60 while leaned all the way over, just short of dragging hardware.  The bike started to wobble, just short of a tank slapper, and started moving towards the outside of the lane, with a 1000 foot drop off the road.  Realizing quickly that this wasn't going to work, I straightened the bike up and scrubbed 20 miles an hour off of the bike and flicked it back over using the last little bit of pavement and the shoulder.  Made it with the painted line to spare.  

Now if I wasn't racing bikes at the time, I would never have had the skills and speed of decision making to have come up with the solution.

Moral of the story, there is never a stock answer to what to do in a emergency situation, but the track is your best hope to survive on the street.

Paul

Morning all, today is not as bad as i thought. I did however wake up "healed" to my sheets, lol thats sucked. As soon as i get pics ill post em up. Thanks for all your support, the CBR is toast, so once im well enough to part it out ill be in the market again. HAPPY EASTER!!