Ok, how many here can honestly say they've NEVER rode their bike over 90 mph? Don't make it right but as far as the speed factor we'd all be pots callin' the kettle black. Love the twin, love Mali, and love this forum.

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Agreed, I have gone over 90.  But look at his description of the events up to the crash.  He obviously didn't know the road, or the bike, or his own skills/bike's inherent willingness to lay over and slide.  

Obviously, these crashes can't all be prevented, but I always get the feeling that somebody who had spent some real time (3-4 yrs) riding a GS or whatever other small displacement bike HARD would understand these principles.  They aren't hard folks.

Quote from: nathanaelokay, this may be a dumb question, but what is a "headshake"? I haven't a clue.

Also, makes me REALLY want to get some riding boots. I've been wearing some Salomon hiking boots, which are certainly better than Vans, but I don't know how much better. :dunno:

Me an my friends always called them the death wobble.

this happened a long time ago. just goes to show you though...shaZam! happens all the time. dumbass.

I have always been dumbfounded as to the US licensing requirements (or lack thereof), specifically CA. Basically, once you take a WRITTEN test you are free to buy any (ANY) bike you want! There are no size restrictions at all. Its absurd.

I just learned from Danny last night that this had happened a while ago, but as you said Pablo, happens constantly.

I've got 2 acquaintances that are looking at getting bikes real soon.  Never ridden before, but they are both looking at going right to R6's or something similar.

Funniest part of it all is, I had my permit back in Minnesota before I moved to CA.  When I got to the DMV to transfer, they made me take a written test, and I walked out with a full motorcycle license.  Idiots didn't even ask about any sort MSF endorsement.

Here in the bay area, once the weather gets nice, we'll start seeing about one fatality a week.  It's squid season as long as the weather is nice.  You can talk to them all you want, but it's not going to stop them.

Quote from: cernunosOk, how many here can honestly say they've NEVER rode their bike over 90 mph? Don't make it right but as far as the speed factor we'd all be pots callin' the kettle black. Love the twin, love Mali, and love this forum.

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It is not the speed that concerns me but rather the setting in which it was done. He was describing accelerating away from a stoplight so he was obviously on a secondary road.  :x

Quote from: pantablothis happened a long time ago. just goes to show you though...shaZam! happens all the time. dumbass.

I have always been dumbfounded as to the US licensing requirements (or lack thereof), specifically CA. Basically, once you take a WRITTEN test you are free to buy any (ANY) bike you want! There are no size restrictions at all. Its absurd.

were charged so much for insurance yet MSF "isnt required" ... jackasses need to fix something

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Quote from: pantablothis happened a long time ago. just goes to show you though...shaZam! happens all the time. dumbass.

I have always been dumbfounded as to the US licensing requirements (or lack thereof), specifically CA. Basically, once you take a WRITTEN test you are free to buy any (ANY) bike you want! There are no size restrictions at all. Its absurd.

were charged so much for insurance yet MSF "isnt required" ... jackasses need to fix something

Oh yeah...spending a weekend riding around on a little 250 is really going to prepare someone for a liter bike.  MSF also tends to teach stuff that is more suited for older bikes rather than new race reps.  The last thing you want to do on a brand new sports bike is grab that front brake with all four fingers.  

Quote from: cernunosOk, how many here can honestly say they've NEVER rode their bike over 90 mph? Don't make it right but as far as the speed factor we'd all be pots callin' the kettle black.

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Come on, C.  You know that is a tenuous argument!  There is a difference in going over 90 once, going over 90 once a week, going over 90 in a familiar straight with clear visibility, and going over 90 as fast as possible everywhere everytime.  I am advocating people passing judgment, of course.  There are enough things to think about here.  

Cheers,
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EDIT:  I think I miss a "not" before "advocating".  I must sound like an @$$hole. :lol:

QuoteOk, how many here can honestly say they've NEVER rode their bike over 90 mph

I can! I can! I've never rode my bike faster than 70 mph! :lol: I'm completely serious. I guess I'm just a "wuss" or something, but there's this thing called life that I'd like to see a little bit more of, seeing as how I'm only 24 at the moment.  

How many can say they don't get a rush on wringing the neck off of a bike from 0 to about a 100...more than just once a week. Joe Rocker was just talking about in one of the other threads how he ran his new zx6 up to over the ton in a 45 zone. I'm not saying that everybody inclusive does this, but I'd guess that more do than don't...I used to do it a lot when I was a bit younger and I still like to spank the Baby's ass (so to speak) every now and then. That's one more reason I want to get another cruiser type bike with more torque; you don't have to wring 'em out to get 'em to move. The Baby G loves to run up to red-line and I don't need to be doing that. Love the White Owl, Ecuador, and this forum.

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>He sounds way too cheery... must be all the pain meds he's taking until he gets his foot lopped off.

I saw this in my bicycle racing days. Some guys would crash and NOT clean out the pavement from their roadrash. They would then wear it like a war metal or badge of their machismo. This guy sounded a bit like that. I've never seen "reckless and crazy" as admirable traits, so I don't get the mentality myself, especially since this guy actually lost his leg.

yet again my insurance rises another $700 this year, now it's up to $6400 for a year. compared to my car which is $1600 for a year. Next year I think I'll have to take a mortgage out on my place to pay for that shaZam!.

The only thing this post makes we want to do is buy newer and better boots.

And as a reminder - You will decelerate in less time and distance if you stay on your bike.  If he had hit the brakes and managed to ride the bike an extra 1 to 2 secs, he could have reduced his speed by 25-40 mph.  That could make a big difference in the Force you will hitting the curb with.  

And does it strike anyone else oddly that he would have experienced headshakes a couple times on a brand new SS bike?

And to finish this rambling, blah blah blah.

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And does it strike anyone else oddly that he would have experienced headshakes a couple times on a brand new SS bike?

Interestingly enough, I've heard more about headshakes on the new 636's than any other bike recently.  In some forums I've lurked on, they're getting a reputation for instability at high speeds.  Not sure if this is justified, but it's worth knowing.

I live in California, and id love to see a CC limit for new riders. It's sad I hear about new riders biting off more then they can chew, all the time.

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Quote from: pantablothis happened a long time ago. just goes to show you though...shaZam! happens all the time. dumbass.

I have always been dumbfounded as to the US licensing requirements (or lack thereof), specifically CA. Basically, once you take a WRITTEN test you are free to buy any (ANY) bike you want! There are no size restrictions at all. Its absurd.

were charged so much for insurance yet MSF "isnt required" ... jackasses need to fix something

Oh yeah...spending a weekend riding around on a little 250 is really going to prepare someone for a liter bike.  MSF also tends to teach stuff that is more suited for older bikes rather than new race reps.  The last thing you want to do on a brand new sports bike is grab that front brake with all four fingers.  

MSF is better than nothing =/ ive heard of too many people that dont even have their MC endorsement or even know of one....

this guy bit it hard and that really sucks. but he was being stupid and thats what kills people and causes us to have to pay more it also makes us look like a bunch of morons and that why people dont like us and give us no respect on the road.

on another note now that im done ranting. when i ride i wear a nitro raceing jacket a pair of double thick jeans and a pair of steel toe leather boots is that good enough.

also i kind of agree that when you have your temps until you learn to ride and respect the bike you should have a cc hp limit. i know this because my cousins first bike was a 01 cbr600rr and hes recked it 3 times already and messed him self up pretty bad and i feel for him . but he was showing off and did it to himself. i think that if he had a smaller bike he would of been diffrent.