was just wondering on what the general opionion of the board was on the most offensive posts.

and the winner is.....

uh oh, Wait till JoeRocker sees this.  

I have a feeling this thread will see the Tard Farm eventually, then Dave will be the winner with "Most posts sent to the Tard Farm."  

porn is offensive, especially to our female members.  With respect to them, I'd rather have anything degrading to women off the forum.  That's my .02

Snapper and the other female members:  What do you think?

Nah, I'm flattered really.  That I've made such an impression to rate a place in a poll brings tears to my eyes.  Tears of joy.

At least you READ what I said and maybe it opened your eyes a bit.  You are taught to believe a lot that is simply not correct.  It's GOOD to hear opposing views.  

I admire/respect the ones who are willing to stand up for what they believe.  I don't admire lackeys who just agree because it's the popular view.  I admire those who can cite case studies, provide raw numbers, anything substantial to support their points.  Unfortunately they have all been woefully lacking.  I haven't been beaten yet.

You all have the option of reading what I say or not.  I've never told an untruth, never.  I may get a fact or two wrong (and I admit it) but basically it's all true.  Unpopular maybe but true nonetheless.

You may think I'm full of crap, a whacko, boorish, whatever.  

Personally, I don't really care what you think.  I know I'm right and most of you are wrong.  But isn't that what we ALL think...

I wish everyone a safe and happy summer.

any gross pics should have warnings in the thread titles.
funny boob pics just shouldn't be here.  if i want naked women on the internet, i can find better places to look.
as for joerocker, well . . .

I want to see a pic of joerocker.

Quote from: LEVOI want to see a pic of joerocker.

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Quote from: johnporn is offensive, especially to our female members.  With respect to them, I'd rather have anything degrading to women off the forum.  That's my .02

the word "porn" has been overused.  much of what people label as "porn" is not even close to pornography. for example, this wallpaper was heckled as "porn!" by many people, when it couldn't be further from the truth. (this picture has half a buttock, but i bet even Kerry wouldn't be offended).

now, as far as porn being degrading to women? considering that most of the true pornography -- a multibillion $ business -- is targeted at men, i'm not so sure who exactly is being degraded.

finally, banning content because some people might be offended seems silly to me. labeling it is a great idea. then easily-offended people can stay away, while the rest of us can enjoy entertainment that sometimes happens to be off-colour.  of course, this is your forum, so *shrug*.

my 2 cents

Hmm.  Which is worse, having a left toe cut off or having a right toe cut off?
There are bound to be things I find offensive that others think are OK, and vice versa.  I think the important thing as far as a site/forum like this is concerned is to avoid deliberately offending other members, apologise if you do inadvertently offend, and try not to do it again.  If you are offended by something someone has posted, just say so.  Don't get in a twist about it.  A little mutual respect goes a long way.  Labelling potentially offensive content is a good idea.
I think the main reason many people find joerocker's posts "offensive" is that the tone is often one of deliberately trying to offend, rather than simply trying to stimulate thought and discussion.
And Joe, in response to your above post re previous threads, it is fairly apparent to me that you are impervious to any evidence, no matter how reliable, that is contrary to your opinion.  We have all seen it in your replies.  The source is unreliable or the methodology suspect or it's taken out of context or one of a dozen different reasons to dismiss the argument so that you can contiue to believe your position.  That's not how you persuade people, Joe.  Or isn't that your intention?

Michael, and how are you any different?  You deny MY evidence no matter the source.  Even if it has just been published in a well respected magazine like Scientific American!  You deny CDC numbers, you deny Papers published in Science magazine.  If my idea is opposite yours, you fight it tooth and nail with nothing more than hearsay.

As for "offensive" what is offensive really?  EVERYONE has their own idea and threshold for what THEY find offensive.  Personally I don't find ANYTHING offensive.  You could say anything here and I wouldn't be offended.  I've been personally attacked and abused more than anyone here.  I'm still here because I'm a survivor.  I fight back instead of cowering and hiding under the "discrimination" or "offensive" safety blanket.  I may think your wrong, have a STRANGE sense of humor, whatever, but offensive?  Why would anyone be offended by anything?  It's just some words on a screen, someone elese ideas.  Why would you be offended by any picture?  It's just a picture.  Look briefly and then say "wow, sick" and forget it.  Don't look again.  I agree with a disclaimer in the title so the squeemish can avoid it entirely.  But guess what, they'll most likely look anyway.  It's human nature.  I do agree that true "hate speech" is uncalledfor but it too shouldn't be censored.  Nothing should be censored unless it's critical to the operation of a nation or would put the public in DIRECT danger.

As for "porn" or "boobs" pictures, men LIKE, no, they LOVE to look at naked women.  Why?  Because a man wants ALL the women in the world at least once.  OK, not the really ugly or fat ones.  A man is a sex machine.  ALL we want to do is copulate with as many different women as possible.  THAT is why men ALWAYS want to look at naked women.  Look at star athletes, performers, any man with power, celebrity, money.  They ALL have been with countless women whether they admit it or not.  Who was it, "Magic Johnson" who admitted he had been with over 10,000 women?  All men would do that if they could.  Marriage is the booby prize.  You get just one, BUT, you get her any time.  So in the end it's an OK compromise.  Sorry ladies, we're just plain different than you are.  But I've been over that time and time again.  And I don't want this post deleted.

As for my posts.  Sure I admit I'm cocky sometimes.  That's what happens when you're smarter than most, athletic, talented, and used to being a winner.  Growing up I learned fast, was picked first in sports, was the class artist, played music (joerocker, get it? I have a one-man does it all CD like Mike Oldfield did but he's better), etc.  I'm used to being at the top.  I'm smart enough to have retired at 42 because I didn't want to spent my whole life working, getting up every day at 6am, getting home at 5pm, dealing with traffic, the politics of business, JUST to make money.  How?  By not being a follower.  If you do as everyone else does you'll be poor (in debt) and working until you're 80.  I DO have something to tell you that you probably are not aware of or haven't thought of in the same way I'm explaining it to you.  Like it or not, we are all being manipulated by marketers who are VERY VERY good at "directing" your behavior, your values, your thoughts, about just about everything.  EVERY major group has their marketers.  Consume, accept, relax, is the their mantra.  When I have to explain something in a different way for the 5th time I begin to lose my patience and yes, I talk down to you.  I know I shouldn't but I get caught up in the heat of "battle".

So, am I still winning?

I think yer a freakin' psychotic ridin' an ol' Ninja 600, trying to convince everyone it's a great bike (including yourself) while inflating your own abilities to all who will listen. About the only things I agree with you on are that people get buggy when they live in close proximity to each other, eg. in the city, and that a lot of people read material or listen to someone and take the information at face value. The rest of your lapidarious oratorial discourse comes across more like the rantings of a mad-man...but please, don't stop, it makes for a fun read at any rate. Love the GS, the original HD VL, China (they're building their military), and this forum.

C.......

Bill Waterson was a genious.  

c,

Whatever... old man.  And here it is, the first "nasty post", couldn't help yourself huh?  

A Ninja sucks huh?  Sure...  c knows best, as always right?  Can't ride one because of age related arthritis?  If you could you'd be AMAZED at what it can do.  Sure beats those POS Harleys you brag about all the time.  Look in the newspaper, where I live there are 20-30 Harleys for sale and MAYBE one Honda OR one Kawasaki OR one Suzuki.  If they're so great why are they the only thing for sale?  Oh, how little you REALLY know.  Those marketers got you good.

Your mellow tone (used to be anyway) in posts garnished you a lot of "followers".  Sorry, not my style.  I do what I want to do and I say what I want too.  If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, or don't read the post!  You all hate me but you just HAVE to read what I say.  Morbid curiosity?  You secretly agree but CAN'T bring yourself to admit it?  Maybe learned something about yourself?

So, where DO you live anyway?  Never do say where.  A city maybe?  Getting "buggy" yourself?  If you agree that people shouldn't take things at face value then why do you fight me?  What do you think I've said that ISN'T true?  Unnerving maybe, unpopular sure, but NOT untrue.  It's all just another take on the truth, another possible explanation for things.

I see you dropped the wimpy tag line (Oooh, don't hurt, don't force...) the talk of a weakling for other weaklings.  You people sound like a bunch of sissy girls.  Ooooh, he offended me, someone help me.  Delete his posts.

I also see you read the news.  China WILL take over the world if things don't collapse first from the depletion of oil.  China is 1/5 the worlds population.  They can have a 1 BILLION man army if they want.  They're growing in manufacturing just as the U.S. did before IT became a world leader.  When everyone depends on you to make their things, you have REAL power.  Look around in WalMart, EVERYTHING is made in China.  The U.S. is losing jobs left and right, manufacturing is leaving in a flood.  Most of whats left is "McJobs".  The war in Iraq and Afghanastan was ONLY to get a stronghold in the middle east to protect the oil fields.  What do we care about their civil liberties, about what we care for the Africans, millions killed every year.  They just don't have anything we need.  China may just decide to take the mideast oil fields away some day.  I know Iran wants the oil too.

There's a lot of devious stuff going on in the world.  Plans within plans.

Oh well, you people don't want to hear any "alternative" ideas, you don't want to flex your brains.  So be it.  I on the other hand am always looking, questioning, analyzing.

I'm crazy all right, like a fox.  

I brag on my abilities:  

a. Because I AM proud of myself (at least I HAVE things to be proud of).  

b.  so maybe some of you will realize that I AM smart enough to know the difference between the "con job" we are fed and the REAL agenda behind the things that happen.

Well, gotta finish dinner.  Oh, a GREAT cook too, add that to the list.  Tonight I'm making chicken with a white wine cream sauce.

Quote from: Ry_GuyBill Watterson was a genius.  

- but he ain't dead yet!  

Quote from: SuZuki10uh oh, Wait till JoeRocker sees this.

Who?

My two pennyworth. Porn however defined and whatever it's called probably has a place somewhere but probably not on a Motorcycle forum with an eclectic membership. If people want to find it or create it there are plenty of places that should not be too difficult to find.

Heated debate on the other hand is another matter, I rather enjoyed some of the Political stuff prior to the last US election and I believe that honestly held views, even if very different to mine deserve an airing and discussion, even those of the gun-totin' right-wing loonies,  OOOOOOOOOOOOPS, AAAAAWwwwwwwww rats! sorry, honest!

Yes it is a wind-up.

Quote from: joerockerMichael, and how are you any different?  You deny MY evidence no matter the source.  Even if it has just been published in a well respected magazine like Scientific American!  You deny CDC numbers, you deny Papers published in Science magazine.  If my idea is opposite yours, you fight it tooth and nail with nothing more than hearsay.

Hmm, I probably shouldn't buy into this but I live in hope.
I'm not aware that I have dismissed anything you have presented just out of hand, based on "nothing more than hearsay".  And I don't care where the article is published- if it's good science it can stand, if it's not it should fall.  As part of my training I have had specific teaching in how to critically appraise scientific literature- was the study properly carried out using validated scientific methods, was the study that was performed able to answer the question raised, in other words, can this data be relied on to provide a sound basis for further research and clinical decisions.  I have been forced to realise that a respected name such as the New England Journal of Medicine,  Nature, Science, or Scientific American does not guarantee that every article published is above reproach.
The point I was making is that in the past you have presented articles from the journals you mentioned, among others, and would not believe they could be unsound, despite any evidence to show it, and have systematically ignored any evidence presented by others, no matter how much evidence there is to show that they are valid.
It seems that you believe you are the only one capable of being right.  You want others to accept every word that comes out of your mouth as gospel truth, and that even if (heaven forbid) others are right, you are more right.  Your self-published curriculum vitae in another post is certainly impressive, but I don't understand why this makes you think you have the right to be so uncharitable to us lesser mortals.
Hereafter, I intend to follow the advice of the old Arabic proverb, which says in part, "He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool- shun him".

Michael,

Very good, no nastiness.

I'd say your quote applies more to the general populace than to me.  Most of you have been bushwacked by those who would control you.  You don't think you're being "led" in certain directions by the government, corporations, groups with an agenda?

I agree 100% with you as it pertains to testing.  BUT, I don't indescriminately throw out evidence simply because I don't agree.  I've been surprised numerous times when confronted with new evidence and I DO change my beliefs when appropriate.  Does being published in a leading scientific journal mean it's ALWAYS accurate?  NO.  BUT, it's much better than getting your facts from "Bobs" or some political group's web site.  Many of the "facts" used against me were from VERY questionable sources.

When I tell you what I think and what I believe the first time I'm simply explaining my view.  I believe I do it in a fairly neutral, maybe a slight "teachie" (a word?) tone.  It is when I am questioned (usually in an attack) that I begin to get my "attitude".  You're right, I do act condescending sometimes.  I should work on that.

Am I Mr. Wizard?  Do I know it ALL?  NO.  I've said that many times.  BUT, there are some things that I do feel very strongly that I do have the TRUE facts and not the propaganda that is commonly cited.

Why can't we just read what each other says and comment on the actual ideas and not the person.  Most replies are simple character attacks and have no substance.  MAYBE after a few of those from the same people over and over, I don't have ANY patience with them?

I'm NOT this:  "He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool".  Quite the contrary, I have the time to check on the things that interest me, I have the time to dig deeper.  I'm not working 40 hours a week having to rely on the "news" for my facts.  I HAVE learned HOW to research, I too am a science man.  Remember, I'm a retired meteorologist.  We're trained to take a jumble of data and make sense of it.

Thanks for the civilized reply.  There is hope...