Quote from: jiggersplatmy local station went from $2.65 to $2.89 overnight.  bastards.  someone explain to me why a shortage in oil refineries has an effect on crude oil prices?  and someone explain to me why oil companies are making record profits?

bush?

i'd like to meet all those damn over-patriotic bastards who said "that gas prices will go down once we conquer iraq..."

yeah right...

It is all George Bush's fault!

He should have prevented the hurricane!
He should have had an exit strategy for the people of New Orleans!
He should have made them improve the bridges and retaining walls of the levees enough to stay up in a storm!
He should have mde them move the Oil Platforms out of the area before the storm hit!
He is the President he should have done SOMETHING else!

And another thing:
They haven't reported finding any ALLIGATORS (or WMDs either) in New Orleans either!

(Imitation of a Liberal over)

In all seriousness folks, People are dead and others are still dying from the effects of this hurricane, the price of gas (or tea in china for that matter) is relatively unimportant in relationship to that. At least in my opinion.

All my sympathies and well wishes to the people suffering from the hurricane.

Ya but if I didn't have to worry about how I was going to pay for gas I could donate to the relief fund.

it's $1.29 a litre for 91 today.

I had no Idea so many would respond to this thread...

Gas here is now $3.00 a gallon... rediculous. I know for a fact that the gas station in our town has not been replenished by the tanker yet, so how the F do they figure the same gas that 3 days ago was $2.70 a gallon is now $3.00..... price gauging.

Quote from: vfrocketI had no Idea so many would respond to this thread...

Gas here is now $3.00 a gallon... rediculous. .......

.. and we are paying US $6.10 a gallon in Italy (in cheap gas stations)...  :x

Do you guys uderstand our concern for better mileage?  I envy those guys that claim 65+ MPG!  

Why do people blame Bush for everything?

beacause theyare looking for someone to blame. I don't blame him for the hurricane, thats stupid. I do however blame him for not getting involved.  Send in the Marines, this is ridiculous, Martial law is needed. People are being murdered and raped. The Red cross and FEMA have screwed this up royally, he needs to step in and send in the marines and get the situation under control. 15,000 people at the NO convention center have still not gotten any assistance, they are dying on the street. Everybody screwed this up, not just one person. I cannot believe this can happen in our country in this day and age. I can tell you this, if this was idaho or florida or california, this would not have happened. There is definitely a race issue at work here. I am white and I voted for Bush, but this is ridiculous. I saw a list of Yahoo news clips with pictures and caption. Each one (about 7) showed black people wading through water being called looters, he looted a grocery store, a young man wades through water after looting a store. Then it show 2 white people and said "2 young people wade through the flood waters after FINDING food and water in a grocery store. If your black, your looting, if your white, you just find stuff.

I don't have a problem with anybody taking food and water. But taking other things that you do not need should not be tolerated!

Quote from: porsche4786Why do people blame Bush for everything?

Because he's a retard?  :dunno:

Quote from: porsche4786Why do people blame Bush for everything?

He assumed the leadership position of the USA, and with that comes the responsibility. Since he has been elected, we've been to a questionable war, gas prices have hiked up exponentially, and many of our personal freedoms and liberties are being "re-evaluated". He claims to be out to preserve the American way of life, but losing our brothers and sisters in war for a fight that is not our own, losing privacy, and people not being able to afford to drive their cars to work doesn't sound very good to me.

Granted, I am not a political strategist. I vote Green, so I don't have a lot of political clout anyway.  :lol:  I don't blame him for eveything, but I don't think he is a very good president, either. It seems an awful lot of things have went wrong and the aftermaths have not been handled properly, since his administration.  :dunno:

Quote from: porsche4786I don't have a problem with anybody taking food and water. But taking other things that you do not need should not be tolerated!

I dont think people are taking anyhting else ... like say big screen TV's ... cos there is no place to put them ... food, clothes, bandages (that rite aid bit on Msnbc said it was picked clean ...).
Now My other question is, why did we build such a huge city in such a precarious location. OK I know Manhattan, SFO, LA and more are blatantly in harm's way. The earth sneezes and we're now short a city or 2. The more "interesting" locations are clearly fraught with the risk. That makes the logistics of mobilisation much worse. Say this or somehting similar happened in the middle of a flat and featureless plain, I'll bet the devastation will be far less and help will be quicker to get in. There were $ hour traffic jams for buses going in to get people. That's just wrong. We need to start thinking in terms of disaster survival as a civilisation. The interesting spots will just have to be vacation spots.
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Srinath.

Quote from: seshadri_srinathMy other question is, why did we build such a huge city in such a precarious location. OK I know Manhattan, SFO, LA and more are blatantly in harm's way.

I am thinking the cities are built in areas likethat because they are close to the water ways; before the Interstate system, etc., many things were primarily delivered by boat, including the immigrants who "settled" there. Food and supplies and people arrived by boat, so it made sense to build the metropolis by the ports.

If you notice, a lot of train tracks often run close to major water ways because after the water ways were the primary means, the trains sort of took their place. Now the trains are being used less and now it is more vehicular (ie tractor trailers). Then the Interstates came along, etc. Kind of a build upon basic blocks.

Gas companies have been making record profits ever since the oil embargo of 1978, when OPEC producers decided to stop sending crude oil here.  Congress deregulated domestic crude oil prices in order to stimulate local drilling, so the price went from regulated at $2.90 a barrel to over $30. Of the top ten multinational corporations in the world in 1978, 5 were oil companies. They paid a grand total of $5000. in corporate income taxes to the state of WV in 1978.

So this stuff happening today is the same old shaZam!. Only the flies are different.

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Quote from: seshadri_srinathMy other question is, why did we build such a huge city in such a precarious location. OK I know Manhattan, SFO, LA and more are blatantly in harm's way.

I am thinking the cities are built in areas likethat because they are close to the water ways; before the Interstate system, etc., many things were primarily delivered by boat, including the immigrants who "settled" there. Food and supplies and people arrived by boat, so it made sense to build the metropolis by the ports.

If you notice, a lot of train tracks often run close to major water ways because after the water ways were the primary means, the trains sort of took their place. Now the trains are being used less and now it is more vehicular (ie tractor trailers). Then the Interstates came along, etc. Kind of a build upon basic blocks.

OK that makes sense. So I guess now that the interstates are here, people better move to like Kansas or Some other flat stable place. Yea right ... but I would hope these and other calamities will open people's minds to the possibility of that and the frailities of human life. I have been fortunate enough to not get in any situation that even remotely brushed up with natures wrath (wrong word, since its not a vengeful creature, its just nature ) so I cant speak from experience, but Anne Heche in Volcano made one neat statement of LA (los Angeles not Louisiana thought now it makes a appropriate translation) - "Finally this city is paying for its arrogance" Yea a super volcano under LA sends super heated lava running like flood waters through the city - LA is Lousiana and super heated lava running like water is now super contaminated water running like water it all fits. Simply put we cannot go on living like this. Shipping port if its still in use a one, is to be used as such, then Freight train or truck the cargo or fly it where you live. We also need to produce less trash, and make sure its not picked up by nature and hurled back in our faces. There are 7 billion people in the world, 320 million is it in the US, and if we're not careful we will accidentally kill each other, and of course the intentional killing will also remain at the current levels. The other insane point I would make and in the present situation it seems so callous, yea this happens and instantly they want federal aid. That is a waste of resources that would have gone to help build and improve other aspects. I'd simply start moving the high risk areas out of a federal aid program. That would provide an incentive for people not to move back to the high risk zone. If the area is under sea level now, you can be certain nature will claim it back sooner or later. Also Home owners Insurance for houses lost like this will only cover the rebuilding cost. People in many cases say yea so if my house is lost, I'll get insurance money and that lets them seek high risk areas. Now if the house is lost in a fire, you'd get the cost of repair or rebuilding. Same case. Your land is not insurable. I dont know how it is right now. Buy a house on the mountain side and it drops off into the ravine, too bad. You can replace your house but not that location, you own the land that's between the markers, and that's that.
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Srinath.

Quote from: seshadri_srinathSay this or somehting similar happened in the middle of a flat and featureless plain, I'll bet the devastation will be far less and help will be quicker to get in.

Flat, featureless plans like to flood a lot.

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Quote from: NarcissusHow much is yuor GS insurance?

GS is only about 700 bux for plpd..

car insurance is well over 3600$... and thats a staff price since I work for RBC, normally it would be 4200+$ ... 19yo No tickets, ONE accident... I wont complain, I quoted after my accident at 16yo and it was 8400$ a year

What the hell do you drive? I'm only 19 with no tickets and my car insurance isn't even over $1000 a year. that's driving a mazda rx-7 with full coverage.

4 door Saturn (about 100hp )  Insurance here comes with a tub of vaseline after your first accident.

A two door sportcar for me would be slightly over 5300$/year

Gas here will probably be over 5$US/Gallon by a couple of months... or a week or two if they keep rising the way they;ve been... over 40% in a few weeks!

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Quote from: porsche4786Why do people blame Bush for everything?

Because he's a retard?  :dunno:

I don't think you can get into Yale if your retarded...He is only one man and cannot do everything! It's funny how everybody blames him but they don't do anything theirselves.

Also, I did see on TV that people were stealing stuff other than what they needed, such as guns and tv's. Then probably realized that their homes were gone and had no place to put them.

Quote from: porsche4786Why do people blame Bush for everything?

Because it's easy.  People don't want to think about the real reasons.  They'd rather fantasize that gas will cost $1.99 a gallon again.

There are many reason why gas prices are going up-up-up-up...

1. Inflation.
2. Peak Oil.
3. Katrina.
4. China's demand for oil.
5. Middle East crap.
6. Many OPEC nations hate the U.S.[/list:u]Even if gas prices go back down to $2.90 a gallon, it won't be for long.  They'll keep going up-up-up-up.  Realize that oil prices are going to make EVERYTHING cost more...  Get used to it.  Buy a bicycle.  Take the bus.  Move closer to work.  Get a job closer to home.  Buy a 100% electric car and get solar/wind power at your house.

Oil is on it's way out...  We may have 500 years of oil left, but it doesn't matter.  Supply is not matching demand and that means the price is never going to go down.

Very well said!