WTF. My gas is still around $3.29  

It actually dropped today! 2.95

IMO Bush is the biggest joke that I have ever seen, I think he sucks.  It shouldnt even be a debat because Al Gore should have been in office, period the end.

hah, Gore.....

Al gore? hehe

Anyways...am I the only one living in an area where the gas prices have NOT decreased??  :dunno: We're still $3.29-$3.49 for 87 octane.

$2.939, 87 octane, 5:08 am today. (2.9 gal, $8.53, 177 miles)

in san diego they are pretty steady as well. I don't ride my bike everywhere...but i've seriously cut down on traveling.

All time low this week....3.17 yeah baby let's burn some fuel.

I'm really thinking about trading the bike in on a horse.

Over the last few weeks we have had a lot of threads about the price of gas - petrol -fuel, hardly surprising considering the price and the politics of it. I always think that price is essentially governed by supply and demand, if demand exceeds supply the price rockets and so on. China is creating a huge demand.

I just read in today's shipping industry paper that South Korean shipyards alone are expecting to build 70 - 90 Liquified natural gas (LNGs) tankers in the next few years, one company expects to more than double its present fleet and become the biggest LNG operator on the planet (Qatar gas transport Co) LPG and conventional oil tanker building is coming out of the doldrums. Just a few years back there were hundreds of tankers "mothballed".

What is occuring here? Is there more supply available than some people like to make out or are some corporations spending millions on tankers just for the joy of employing sailers and people like me, hmmmmm tough one that!

Where the competent mariners will come from to man them is for another forum, seeing as shipping companies have been cutting back on training and cadets for years.

Finally went down a dime here to 2.99 for ethanol

Quote from: davipuI'm really thinking about trading the bike in on a horse.

SSShhhh!!!

You don't want to drive up alfalfa prices!

Quote from: Cal Price... I just read in today's shipping industry paper that South Korean shipyards alone are expecting to build 70 - 90 Liquified natural gas (LNGs) tankers in the next few years, one company expects to more than double its present fleet and become the biggest LNG operator on the planet (Qatar gas transport Co) LPG and conventional oil tanker building is coming out of the doldrums. Just a few years back there were hundreds of tankers "mothballed"...

Interesting observation Cal.  This follows the trend I've also been following, that shipping gas will challenge oil in the next decade.

Suspect it's "the next best thing" syndrome.  Oil is easier to deal with and has higher energy density, but NG is a close second.  With energy (in whatever package) being ever in demand, and NG being easier to convert to usable form, it seems like a good investment.

Industry seems to be betting against oil.  No refineries have been built in North America for 25 years; suspect similar statistics in Europe.  Wonder of this is an indicator of our future?

2.99 at the gulf station on the island....oh yeah road trip!

Here at work we use a lot of diesel fuel, (Heavy equipment and trucks) today we got our first month report for the bio-fuel that we started to use... turns out it is cheaper then pure diesel, good for the enivroment too. We are saving 10 cents a gallon. My shift alone burns 450 gallons, we run 24-7.  Graveyard..only 7 operators.

$2.89 around here the last few days. No bike to fill up yet, though

within 5 years you will be seeing more ethanol cars and NG and Propane cars. Plus hybrids running alternative fuels. I get a kick out of the retards that think they can make hydrogen bombs I mean car a reality. If they can't make an oil rig that doesn't bust open in the opwn sea, they ain't gonna succeed keeping a hydrogen fuel cell from exploding in a 65+ head on. Boom

Redshift,
I think you are right. Shipping liquified gas in VLC ships is not exactly without it's risks but seems to be on the up. I suppose it's a lot safer than pipelines through politically unstable areas. Given the level of investment on a global scale something is occuring here and I'm a great believer in "If you want to find out, follow the money"

Bio- Diesel etc,. yes we are getting into that at work. Quite independently one of my colleagues has started a small business reclaiming used cooking oil and marketing it as fuel. His car smell like fries but it works.

I watched a show on making your own bio diesel. They get it for free from a bakery or someplace (where ever you can). Then you have to mix it with a few other things, does take some time, but he made it for .70 cents per gallon.

Quote from: Cal Price... Bio- Diesel etc,. yes we are getting into that at work. Quite independently one of my colleagues has started a small business reclaiming used cooking oil and marketing it as fuel. His car smell like fries but it works.

The problem with bio-diesel is that there aren't enough chip shops in America to handle the potential appetite.  (Chips -- appetite --  :lol: didn't notice that.  :lol: )

Seriously, I doubt we could grow enough to make a significant dent in our global energy consumption.  Besides, in most of the world the seasons bite into how much we can make -- it doesn't grow on trees, or does it.

Roy...

Well...  Other than that...  What do you think the machines they use to grow the crops run on...