I think the blame for alot of what happened needs to fall on the shoulders of the people of NO themselves.  this is obviously not a popular opinion but I dont care.  If the people are wll enough to loot stores,  attach people, shoot at helicopters then they were perfectly capable of getting out of the city when warned.  They should have looked after those that couldn't get out on there own,  but there is No excuse for the need to rescue twenty something year old men and women. there was no reason for any children to be in the area.  NO is not so large that prior to the storm you could not have walked to the superdome and been first in line for evac.  or how bout this,  left 2-3 days before it hit when the mayor issued a voluntary evac order.  whats up with that.  would any of you stay at your house if you knew there was a 90% chance it would be destroyed??

Quote from: ktrimI think the blame for alot of what happened needs to fall on the shoulders of the people of NO themselves.  this is obviously not a popular opinion but I dont care.  If the people are wll enough to loot stores,  attach people, shoot at helicopters then they were perfectly capable of getting out of the city when warned.  They should have looked after those that couldn't get out on there own,  but there is No excuse for the need to rescue twenty something year old men and women. there was no reason for any children to be in the area.  NO is not so large that prior to the storm you could not have walked to the superdome and been first in line for evac.  or how bout this,  left 2-3 days before it hit when the mayor issued a voluntary evac order.  whats up with that.  would any of you stay at your house if you knew there was a 90% chance it would be destroyed??

^^^^^^^^^^^^I agree with every word of this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Srinath, the big difference between NO, and Charlotte is not being inland, it is Florida.  Florida eats a lot of hurricanes, so they either don't reach NO at full speed, or they bump north and miss NO.  Although I definately agree that NO getting hit by a hurricane is an inevitability I think this type of hit is fairly rare.  My numbers were total speculation on my part, but I'm not ignorant on the subject.  Take Savannah, GA into consideration.  Savannah doesn't get hit by hurricanes.  Why?  because of the shape of the coast.  Coastal currents, and winds from inland tend to blow storms away from Savannah, either that or the storm tags Fla. first.  Since I've lived in GA, '90, every year a big storm is supposed to destroy Savannah, and every year it gets blown north, or hits Fla, or gets sucked into the Gulf.  If a Cat. V storm ever did hit Savannah head on, many of the barrier islands would be no more, and flooding would extend 20-50 mi. inland.  Major destruction!  However, the odds are really bad, so I'm not too worried, also I don't live in Savannah.  Anyway, I'm not totally right, but I'm not as wrong as you made me sound.  So, cheers I guess.

Ed said:

QuoteThe bait here was - RepubliKan ?? Give me a break. To blame the party is wacked.

To blame the people in charge of, with authority over, dozens of school buses left standing in a lake that could have been used pre-emptively by those drivers that knew the city routes blindfolded to ferry people out before the flood, now that would make sense. Agreed?

AGREED!

KTRIM said:

QuoteI think the blame for alot of what happened needs to fall on the shoulders of the people of NO themselves. this is obviously not a popular opinion but I dont care. If the people are wll enough to loot stores, attach people, shoot at helicopters then they were perfectly capable of getting out of the city when warned. They should have looked after those that couldn't get out on there own, but there is No excuse for the need to rescue twenty something year old men and women. there was no reason for any children to be in the area. NO is not so large that prior to the storm you could not have walked to the superdome and been first in line for evac. or how bout this, left 2-3 days before it hit when the mayor issued a voluntary evac order. whats up with that. would any of you stay at your house if you knew there was a 90% chance it would be destroyed??

AGREED

I don't think this (hurricane/flood) is the President's fault.  
As far as the flooding, it was only a matter of time.  
Blame the local government--it was their responsibility.

I think the owners of that retirement home should FRY for what they did. :nana:

There were a lot of decent poor people, regular folk (definitely tardy on leaving) and the elderly, and tourists forced to cohabitate (did I spell that right?) with pure unadulterated savages. A lot of these savages, who were armed, were gangbangers. The normal citizenry there, forced into close proximity with the sorry wenches and bastard children were not armed. It truly was a horrible nightmare for most. But hell, that is what these scum do everyday. Rape, kill, sodomize and steal. It's a way of life.
Did you read about the little children (boys) that were raped in the anus?
The woman who were violated? The unbridled thievery? Well a group of citizens did stick together and killed that animal that raped a boy in the bathroom, cut his throat afterward and  he bled to death. Well that crowd of "decent folk" beat him to death. So be it. Have you heard of the skyrocketing crime wave that has hit Houston with the arrival of the Hurricane "victims"? It's the gangbangers again. Hell, they are even trying to establish "new turf". Give me a break. You know what I think about all this and what needs to happen to them. Some would like for the taxpayers to buy them a 2000 sq. ft. home and set them up a bank account with $10K in checking and ask them politely to stop it. Not me my brethren. The only thing they understand is extremely harsh force delivered with an unbending iron hand all the way to the boneyard.

Quote from: Old Mr. WilsonDid you read about the little children (boys) that were raped in the anus?

i'm betting you clipped that article.




that said, liberal that i am, under these conditions a gang killing a rapist doesn't really bother me that much.

Wilson's got it right, and to quote a Marine DI,

"Kill'em all! Let God sort'em out!"

The conservative in me says I'm glad the decent folks stood up and took out some good 'ol vigelante justice.

Not sure exactly how this quote goes, but

The greatest sin is not caring, it is when good men stand by and do nothing.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9356608/

Yea a 73 year old woman was arrested and jailed for 16 days for looting ... Nice ... moron's ...
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Srinath.

Quote from: seshadri_srinathYea a 73 year old woman was arrested and jailed for 16 days for looting ... Nice ... moron's ...

She's obviously one of those hardened criminals, out raping and pillaging, wasting good air...she's probably a liberal, too.  

You can never get all the people to evacuate. When Andrew hit S. Florida there were lots of middle class white and tan people that got slammed. The outcome was similar, looting and price gouging was rampant. If they really reduced NO population by 80% then that was one of the most effective evacuations ever.

One thing I want to know more about is why did the levees fail? From what I've seen they weren't topped but rather gave way in a few places. If that is true, then the Corps of Engineers bears a great deal of blame. The post-hurricane flood was the biggest problem in NO. The folks in Miss and East LA had much more storm damage, though.

Levees or anything similar only has a certain period which it it will stand, they have to be rebuild, shored, re vamped etc every so often. If you dont want to, build a damn dam ... They may have been shoring or reinforcing them often or maybe they weren't. They are really at best temporary safegaurds.
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Srinath.

Quote from: seshadri_srinathLevees or anything similar only has a certain period which it it will stand, they have to be rebuild, shored, re vamped etc every so often. If you dont want to, build a damn dam ... They may have been shoring or reinforcing them often or maybe they weren't. They are really at best temporary safegaurds.
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Srinath.

I know what you are saying but it seems the levees did not fail, it was concrete and steel flood walls. Those are not supposed to require maintenance.  Lots of people smarter than me are working on this, thank goodness

more info: http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09_13.html#079207

Very good call man ... levees have a serious amount of seepage and hence give ... that is also why they need constant work and maintenance ... whihc is why they probably survived. My bad, I thought they gave away since the manitainance was not done. not concrete and steel will be too stiff, they will constantly need shoring and strengthening and even so are likely to have brittle and catastrophic failure if not done right. Maybe thatw as the problem.
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Srinath.