Is a perment a permanent permit?

Anyhoo, here helmet required no matter what.  With a permit (written test only), you can ride on the freeway, but no passengers and only during daylight.

You have to be 16 and have a valid WA driver's license to get a permit.  To get a full endorsement, you have to take the class or pass a rider's test; if you're under 18, you have to take the class.

I grandfathered into my MC license, no test at all of any kind.  Am I'm only 31.

Accually I've been caught out at night a few times. Mostly due to the fact that it is getting darker earlier. The only problem I've had with riding at night (and I've had my perment for less than a month) is all the bug that coat my helmet and the Blue Beast.

QuoteAccually I've been caught out at night a few times.

Been caught?  By the police?  Out of curiosity, how did they know you were out on a permit?  Or were you doing something else...

I think he means that he didn't intend to be out at night, but ended up out.

Get your road course done and get your full license.  You can get in trouble if you're doing something you shouldn't (speeding, e.g.) and the cop sees that you have a permit.  Or if you get hit by a car - even if it's the cage's fault, their insurance might be able to get out of paying if you're riding illegally.  Your own insurance might deny the claim on those grounds.  Not good stuff.

VA has the same requirements.  No night, no major highways, but with an "experienced" rider watching.  

I rode for many years in Iowa, but didn't get the M when I came to VA.  So now all over again, and they won't let me just take the riding test, I have to wait 30 days.  I ride anyway, but very carefully.  Not that I wouldn't be careful anyway.

From the Alabama Dept. of Public Safety website:

MOTORCYCLE LICENSE

Certified state issued birth certificate, social security card, verification for school enrollment if under the age of 19. If you were born in another country, you will need a passport with the I-94 or I-551 stamp or resident alien card. If your legal name has changed, you will need to bring the original legal name change documents (marriage certificate, court order, or divorce decree) There is no road test for motorcycles.

Sad, huh?  A helmet is required, though.

QuoteIn California, it takes more paperwork to own a hamster than to get an M-class license and motorcycle, at least if you're over 21...and I am...barely....  

Scary thing that, yea Pandy.