Okay so, this guy told me to fill the oil up to the brim for the winter so as to saturate the motor with oil and prevent rusting and what not... It doesn't sound like a bad idea really, I mean so long as you don't start it up like that but anyone that knows bike engines better than me think this method is a good idea?

Speaking of oil, I ordered a K&N oil filter for my 05 500F. Some people would say that K&N's filter less, but, seeing as I've yet to retire any of my motors that have ran K&N since day 1, I don't have any real proof to say that K&N's are superior. Anyone with first hand experience able to give me a thumbs up or down?

Um... no filling the crankcase with oil is a really stupid idea.  

Not only is there the chance that you will forget to drain it before you crank it and the resulting hydralic lock damage, but the internal engine parts already have a coating of oil on them that will prevent corrosion. You change the oil before storage to remove the carbon, acids, and other gunk that get in the oil from running, but that is mostly to keep them from settling in the bottom of the pan and oil passages.

I could almost see doing this as a long term storage method (10+ years) but as a short term, no, bad idea.

Unless you live in an excessively dusty area, a K&N filters just as well as the stock paper filter but with better flow.  In this day and age, if it allowed damage to engine components, how long do you think it would take before someone sued them out of business?

Quote from: JamesGUm... no filling the crankcase with oil is a really stupid idea.  

Not only is there the chance that you will forget to drain it before you crank it and the resulting hydralic lock damage, but the internal engine parts already have a coating of oil on them that will prevent corrosion. You change the oil before storage to remove the carbon, acids, and other gunk that get in the oil from running, but that is mostly to keep them from settling in the bottom of the pan and oil passages.

I could almost see doing this as a long term storage method (10+ years) but as a short term, no, bad idea.

Unless you live in an excessively dusty area, a K&N filters just as well as the stock paper filter but with better flow.  In this day and age, if it allowed damage to engine components, how long do you think it would take before someone sued them out of business?

Yeah, I know I was just kinda wondering how much of the engine would actually get coated by a full crankcase. If only half would, then it almost kinda seems like a useless waste of oil.

And I agree with you on your K&N point. I've never thought twice about a K&N not filtering as much, but you never know... There might be someone out there who after properly using any K&N filter, has a dirty engine when it's torn down. :dunno:

I agree that it's unnecessary.  Change the oil at season's end, bag the air box and exhaust, and let it sit 'til spring.

There is not much benefit to hydraulically filling the crankcase with Oil  and a lot of negatives.  Sure you displace any moist air, but you've already go dry air in there and there's not enough moist air flow to matter.  But if you ever slip it into gear or (heaven help you) try to start the bike, you'll break something for sure.

It's more important to raise the tires off the ground and wax/oil the frame.  Have a read of Adam Glass's Winter Storage for Motorcycles.  (Adam has a comment on this idea of Crankcase filling.)  It's my bible for putting my baby to bed for the winter.  

Quote from: RedShiftI agree that it's unnecessary.  Change the oil at season's end, bag the air box and exhaust, and let it sit 'til spring.

There is not much benefit to hydraulically filling the crankcase with Oil  and a lot of negatives.  Sure you displace any moist air, but you've already go dry air in there and there's not enough moist air flow to matter.  But if you ever slip it into gear or (heaven help you) try to start the bike, you'll break something for sure.

It's more important to raise the tires off the ground and wax/oil the frame.  Have a read of Adam Glass's Winter Storage for Motorcycles.  (Adam has a comment on this idea of Crankcase filling.)  It's my bible for putting my baby to bed for the winter.  

Wow, that's a great read indeed. I will use that as my winter storage guide for sure.  Thanks for the link!

not sure on motorcycles but for most cars you will see an increase of HP when you replace the stock air filter with a K&N type filter.  Not talking much of a gain but everything helps I guss

So, I was reading my owners manual again like I do sometimes when I get extremely bored and for winter storage, it reccomends that you fill the oil right up to the filler hole so... But of course, you wouldn't want to start the bike with that much oil in it! (obviously)

K&Ns don't filter as well as OEM filters. Yes, I know I am using one, but that's only because the GS's engine is bomb proof and I clean my filter regularly.

http://offroadpakistan.com/bitsnpieces/tech/how_well_do_kn_air_filters_work_1.html

and...

http://home.usadatanet.net/%7Ejbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm

and another source similar to the first link:

http://maintenance.autoblog.com/entry/1234000600057664/

he's talking about a K&N oil filter, not air filter

Quote from: MPAhe's talking about a K&N oil filter, not air filter

Oh.

Well...

Maybe I'll save those links for my arguments I'll encounter later on.