so when you ran the cat over... what did it sounded like? or, how did it feel like? any loss of control at all? like riding over wet leaves?  :dunno:

I'm going to have to back Roadstergal on this 100%. Driving a car / riding a motorcycle is a privalage - and you need to be responsible enough to maintain it. And one of those responsibilities is watching for others around you. Accidents happen - that is why they are caled accidents. An animal running out in front of you is basically an accident - they are so quick that even if you did see them in time, you might not be able to stop the vehicle SAFELY, like the original poster of this thread. He said he tried to miss it but couldn't. He did good. He made REASONABLE effort to avoid the animal.

The person who hit Pastrami's dog didn't even use his brakes? That is not reasonable effort. The deer I hit a few weeks ago in my car? I was cruising at 70mph and laid down a couple hundred feet of rubber by the time I was done - that is reasonable effort. Flying into another car, a person, animal, whatever without trying to control your vehicle is irrsponsible.

Amanda is right, children can be taught not to run into the street and parents should be RESPONSIBLE for teaching them this. And you can't put a cat on a leash; for one that is stupid. And for two, if it wasn't a cat it could have been a squirill. Or a skunk. A raccoon. Hell, an armadillo.

There are a lot of things that drivers need to be responsible for, but many of them are not. Your responsibility goes beyond just what YOU do, but also how you REACT to others.

second lesson on MSF: if you can't safely avoid the animal (dog, cat, etc), speed up and ran him over.

meaning, if there's a chance you will start to lose control of the bike while trying to avoid the infernal pet, then brace for impact.

The steering head will cleave a deer...so if you speed up...tuck.

Also: http://gstwins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=163594#163594

you hit a deer Phae? wow... got pics of the car?

RV thats the first thing I though of when I started reading this thread  

Domestic cats are terrible for the ecosystem,  they kill birds, rabbits, and anything else they can get at and they have no natural enemies in local suburbia, now I would have no problem if they ate what they killed but since Mr and Mrs Katperson feed it every day it has no need for the extra food and leaves the poor little baby bunnies to fester in my back yard. If I can't walk my dog with out a leash why the hell should your cat roam free to shaZam! on my lawn or kill the song birds in my backyard. That's about all so yes Roadstergal I do think that all cats (aside from barn cats that kill the rats) should be on leashes or kept in the house. Just my thoughts.

I have very little sympathy for birds that get eating by cats.

Here's a hint, bird: YOU CAN FLY!  CATS CAN'T!

It seems to me that if a bird - which can fly - gets eaten by a cat - which can't - it's kind of the bird's own fault.   It's not like it couldn't run fast enough to get away.  Take off, motherfucker!  Sit in  a tree!  Or on a powerline!  No cat will get you there.

(Also, I'm on the side of people shouldn't hit cats/dogs/whatever if they can be avoided.  But remember that your life is worth a lot more than cat's, so if it can't be avoided safely, sorry kitty.)

Quote from: zukiGS500RV thats the first thing I though of when I started reading this thread  

:lol: I laughed for about 3 months after seeing that pic.   :lol:

Quote from: aaronstj(Also, I'm on the side of people shouldn't hit cats/dogs/whatever if they can be avoided.  But remember that your life is worth a lot more than cat's, so if it can't be avoided safely, sorry kitty.)

That's exactly it.  Do your best to Not Hit Living Things.  It's better for all concerned.

Quote from: dyranDomestic cats are terrible for the ecosystem

Humans are even more terrible for the ecosystem, and they have no natural enemies left either.  If I happen to hit one, well, that's all for the better.

Quote from: aaronstjI have very little sympathy for birds that get eating by cats.

Here's a hint, bird: YOU CAN FLY!  CATS CAN'T!

It seems to me that if a bird - which can fly - gets eaten by a cat - which can't - it's kind of the bird's own fault.   It's not like it couldn't run fast enough to get away.  Take off, motherfucker!  Sit in  a tree!  Or on a powerline!  No cat will get you there.

(Also, I'm on the side of people shouldn't hit cats/dogs/whatever if they can be avoided.  But remember that your life is worth a lot more than cat's, so if it can't be avoided safely, sorry kitty.)

You kidding right ... I have routinely see cats jump off fences or roofs and swat a bird flying off the ground. Also birds when their feathers are wet dont fly all that well ... and cats can hide in the grass and stalk birds pretty well and have one come up close to it and swat it. I also have seen birds fly close to the ground get swatted. And here is the killer in the sacramento valley one time I saw a cat get lifted off the ground by a Kestrel. Amazing. I believe the cat was alive and writhing and disrupting its flight, but none the less. I also hope that that bird had a game plan, like dropping it in a thorny bush cos it wasn't gonna be able to kill the thing in the air ... In any case I believe they are pack hunters so dropping it in a field would have made for some good target practice for the birds. House cats that are being fed usually get too lazy to do anyhting remotely acrobatic though. Wild/feral is the problem.
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Quote from: RoadstergalHumans are even more terrible for the ecosystem, and they have no natural enemies left either.  If I happen to hit one, well, that's all for the better.

I agree Roadstergal. A lot of humans are in favor of the "Darwin theory" that stronger shall dominate the weak. That is, until they find themselves in a weaker position..then they believe in mercy. Idiots. I am glad the original poster of this thread did atleast try not to hit the cat - he did the best he could under the circumtances. But not everyone does.

Just as a point of reference:  in MA, if you cause an accident while trying to avoid an animal in the road, YOU are at fault and will be cited.  I'm all for doing your best to avoid critters of all types (including children), but not at the cost of personal safety for yourself or those around you.

And that's why Badger's cats stay indoors.

that's why parents need to chain up there: cats, dogs, kids, gold fish, what ever.  it's a plain and simple fact that if you can't trust it to do somethign then you need to control it so it can't do it.  otherwise I'm going to get a pitbull and every kid it eats will be the parents fault cause he's going to drag a leash around every whare he goes.  and I'm not going to feed him so he will always be hungry and then I'm going to breed him with a wolf so the spawn will be a endangered species and then you little eco-hippie terrorist fucks, your plan to save the rain forests will backfire and you will be forced to live in a suburban hell.    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


















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Quote from: davipuotherwise I'm going to get a pitbull and every kid it eats will be the parents fault cause he's going to drag a leash around every whare he goes.  and I'm not going to feed him so he will always be hungry

I'm all for hitting the kids instead of the furry creatures.

Here's a pic of our ferocious pit bull, ready to face a day of eating children:

With the theory "it is the parents fault.." it is no wonder why so many adults now blame their parents for everything.  :lol:  Kids over 5 years old KNOW better than to run out in traffic. Hell, some kids under 5 know better. And if they are not old enough to know better - they need to be supervised, obviously. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure eh.

Would we really be having this conversation if we were talking about dogs? Seems that a lot of people, especially dog owner have a weird kind of "animosity" toward cats.

I guess the point is...if it's somebody's pet...it would be tragic if the animal gets run over (dog or cat).

I've almost run into a golden retriever as well as a cat up in the Malibu canyons. I'll do everything I can, short of locking my wheels to avoid it.  If I run over it, I run over it...it's tragic, but I can't risk my own life for a pet...

Quote from: VersOneWould we really be having this conversation if we were talking about dogs? Seems that a lot of people, especially dog owner have a weird kind of "animosity" toward cats.

I guess the point is...if it's somebody's pet...it would be tragic if the animal gets run over (dog or cat).

I've almost run into a golden retriever as well as a cat up in the Malibu canyons. I'll do everything I can, short of locking my wheels to avoid it.  If I run over it, I run over it...it's tragic, but I can't risk my own life for a pet...

yeah when Pastrami said her dog was hit by a car, everyone was like "awww". But if it is a cat, its like "well, the cat shouldn't be out there...".  

Quote from: Phaedrusher dog was hit by a car, everyone was like "awww". But if it is a cat, its like "well, the cat shouldn't be out there...".

'cause dogs are good...  and cats are not.