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jesus,f%$king cager, i mean, it is his fault right?

It looked like the biker was going REALLY fast and wasn't even on the brakes or making any attempt to swerve out of the way. Legally it was the cagers fault, but it looked like the guy riding might have been doing something dumb.

Quote from: AlphaFire X5It looked like the biker was going REALLY fast and wasn't even on the brakes or making any attempt to swerve out of the way. Legally it was the cagers fault, but it looked like the guy riding might have been doing something dumb.

when you swerve out of the way of a car your supposed to go  in the opposite direction of where hes turning correct?if thats the car he would have nailed the car behind that...is there anything he could have done to avoid that at his speed?

Quote from: Kessenwhen you swerve out of the way of a car your supposed to go  in the opposite direction of where hes turning correct?if thats the car he would have nailed the car behind that...is there anything he could have done to avoid that at his speed?

It seriously looked like he wasn't braking to me. There would have been a noticeable decrease in speed from the time he entered the frame to the time he hit the car. I didn't see any decrease in speed.

never hit the brakes. I've seen this over at 600rr.net. rider should have been anticipating that move and a)been covering his brakes and b)been slowing down anyway.

rider could have prevented it.

yeah, that was slow enough it could have been prevented by the rider.

Yeah the rider was probably hot rodding around town.  He was going to fast and he had more than enough time to come to a complete stop had he been going the speed limit.  Technically it is the cars fault though but i have the feeling that the rider in the vid is one of those that doesn't help th stereotypes.

I cant' see if the car has a turn signal on, but this really looks like the motorcycles fault to me.  He was screaming along a road where the prevailing traffic seems to be fairly slow.  Without having any real idea what the speed limit was or how fast exactly that guy was going, I'd put money on it being significantly faster than the speed limit.

It looks like the rider was going too fast...  He could have easily swerved and avoided that...  The cager jammed on the brakes leaving enough of the road left for the rider to get around...

Rider's fault due to speed... IMO.

But, who knows...  It could have been a double-yellow on a road with a 50 MPH limit...  In that case, it was totally the cager's fault...  But, the rider still could have avoided it.

Probably a broken leg and at least an injured back...  At least he was wearing a helmet.

So the cars that were right behind the accident didn't stop and help at all.  And I hope that if that ever happens to me, that the people that come to my aid are a little more. . . decisive.   Is anyone else more alarmed by the reactions of those witnesses?

DAM! That was just wrong.....I think it was the rider at fault myself but who knows..... :dunno:

Quote from: Jake DSo the cars that were right behind the accident didn't stop and help at all.  And I hope that if that ever happens to me, that the people that come to my aid are a little more. . . decisive.   Is anyone else more alarmed by the reactions of those witnesses?

+1

I was looking at the people just casually walking about, driving by, and staring from afar.

Dicks.  I would have stopped anything I was doing and ran my ass off while dialing 911 to call for an aid-car.

yeah I notice the woman in the white shirt walking casually to the guy that was riding the bike.  Then after a while walking she started jogging to the biker.  And screw all the cars that just drove by like nothing even happened.

count how many seconds it took from the car turning to the bike hitting the car. maybe 2 seconds...i would say the bike was traveling fast. but the car shouldn't have made the turn either.

end of it all, the rider is who has a broken legs and smashed brain  :dunno:

If this video is legit...really seems to be...

->Rider hits at 13 sec
->Lady in White starts towards rider about 10 sec later
->Lady in Pant Suit runs to store and then follows LinW a few sec later.
->Video ends about 20 sec later

Considering it was the general public, they reacted pretty quickly IMHO.
Other cagers were stopping with this time also.

It is a two lane road and the crash caused the front end of the cager to dive ALOT. We could estimate his speed if we knew the clock were correct, the distance traveled, but it was on the order of 1 sec from entry into the frame to impact.

Also notice the rider was trying to go right and the impact occurred at the solid line at the parking lot edge.

He was too fast for sure and trying to fix it.

Anybody know where this was?

I think you could argue that the car was at fault (for pulling in front of oncoming traffic) and that the motorcycle could have avoided the accident.  (didn't rg say something to this effect about when she got t-boned?).  It's a shame, for sure...but cars aren't going to stop turning left because there might be a motorcycle speeding in the opposite direction.  I think you can't say that the driver shouldn't turn there...it was an entrance into a gas station...it's also not as if he turned recklessly, he did wait for a moment before turning across the oncoming lane (presumably to check for traffic).  Sure, I think the driver was "at fault", but I don't think this was an unavoidable accident on the part of the motorcyclist.  (of course, with the disclaimer that it's impossible to know all the details with the limited view we have of the event)

But +1 on hoping that if it ever happens to me, people come running from all directions with qualified aid.

Almost the same thing happened to my brother a few months ago.  It was strictly the driver's fault though, a porsche turned in front of him and panicked when he saw my brother and stopped in the middle of the lane.  My bro was only doing about 45-50 and said he didn't have time to react, he came out lucky though, only a few bruises (had on a jacket, helmet, and cheap gloves from wal-mart).  Bad thing was I drove up on it, scared the crap outta me.  But yea, it did look like the bike was going way too fast in that video.

After doing a little amateur analysis, it looks like the biker might not have been going too fast after all.

Assuming the car is about the same length as a Honda Civic (165 inches), and after holding a ruler up to the screen and estimating, we can see that the distance from the edge of the screen to the impact point is 3.5 car-lengths.  So that's 48.3 feet.  The bike entered the picture and crashed in almost exactly one second.  Covering 48.3 feet in one second means he was traveling at about 33 mph, plus or minus 5 or so for error.

Plus, even if he had managed to swerve right and miss the car, he risked hitting that telephone pole, I think.

Quote from: Admiral CrunchAfter doing a little amateur analysis...he risked hitting that telephone pole, I think.

Good job and probably close to reality.  

When I said "too fast" that didn't necessarily mean he was speeding. If one is traveling at a legal speed, but too fast too allow for contingent situations, that is traveling too fast. Like it or not, we have to assume the cagers are all trying to kill us. "Rider Radar" will out.

The driver certainly didn't notice the rider. Again we are limited in the view and uncertain about the accuracy of the video.

I am sure this clip will be used by the MSF in their Advanced Rider Course. According to the description, Accident Analysis is a large part of that class.