I've locked up my front before. I've lost the front end in a turn before and didn't crash. I've lost the front in a straight line before and didn't go down.

Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on February 01, 2006, 08:21:21 PM
I've locked up my front before. I've lost the front end in a turn before and didn't crash. I've lost the front in a straight line before and didn't go down.

When you say 'lost' do you mean lock up? Or the front started to lose traction? Cause theres a difference. I honestly don't see how you could lock up the front wheel while in a turn and not go down. although I do understand how you could keep the bike up if you were going perfactly straight and not too fast, and locked up the front.

I've locked the front when in a turn and didn't go down. I've also lost traction on the front end in a turn.

I choose to reject your reality and substitute my own.

Why is it that the back brake locks up easier? My guess is that it's because that's also where power gets delivered, but I'm not sure.

Quote from: budget speed demon on February 01, 2006, 11:46:45 PM
I choose to reject your reality and substitute my own.

The time when I locked the front in a turn was a parking lot maneuver and I panicked and grabbed the front. I planted my foot REALLY hard and kept the bike up. I would have gone down, though :p. My ankle was sore for days. Losing the front in a turn can be recovered if you know what to do.

Quote from: brett on February 01, 2006, 11:47:08 PM
Why is it that the back brake locks up easier? My guess is that it's because that's also where power gets delivered, but I'm not sure.

It's because there isn't a lot of weight on the rear wheel, which means not a lot of traction, which means it's easier to lock up than the front.

I would have never even thought that integrated brakes were an optinon for bikes...  hmmm...  What a...

dumb...

concept...

I've locked up my front brake and it lost traction and began to go down, but I let it go and re-applied it.

Locking up the rear brake isn't as safe as you made it sound, where you just "get a flat spot on your tire."  It isn't like riding a BMX bike where you can do the power slides. 

And I wasn't referring to racing at all.  Never raced.  Big deal.  I have had an MSF course and I'm sure that locking up the rear brake is a precursor to a high side.  But if you think it is safe, that's cool.  Just don't get pissy.  It is just a difference of opinion that I respectfully pointed out. 

I've locked my rear brakes and even tho you're not supposed to release the brakes, I have, and luckily not highsided.

I've also locked up the front, and the MSF instructor taught us to release ASAP.  I didn't go down either

I've locked my rear a couple times.  I let off right after I locked it and my rear end whiped back to center.   


I actually locked my front brakes on purpose...  I wanted to see what it was like in a controlled area...  It sucks... I wouldn't suggest doing it when you're actually trying to avoid something.

Quote from: Jake D on February 02, 2006, 07:45:29 AM
Locking up the rear brake isn't as safe as you made it sound, where you just "get a flat spot on your tire."  It isn't like riding a BMX bike where you can do the power slides. 

yes it is.....


http://media.putfile.com/Skid

Having your front lose traction (by locking or by simple loss of traction) is one of the most gut wrenching and frightening things you can probably experience on a bike. It's absolutely terrifying.

Well...  Other than nearly getting splattered by a semi or train...  Or crashing...  Or nearly crashing...

I agree that it's not something you want to do...  Even though I did it intentionally.

QuoteI honestly don't see how you could lock up the front wheel while in a turn and not go down.

Oh it can, and does.   lighter bikes tend to be very forgiving in this.  i myself have gone started leaning into a turn while on the front binders had the wheel lock slap to the right and hit the steering stop, bounce back to center while easeing up on the front brake and not once upset the angle of the lean or the over all turning of the bike.   I also completed the turn stopped and shook my shorts out.   i think i have had it happen 2x on the gs and once on my Dads RZ.  LUCK i think is the biggest factor but it does happen.

Quote from: RVertigo on February 02, 2006, 04:58:47 PM
Well...  Other than nearly getting splattered by a semi or train...  Or crashing...  Or nearly crashing...

I agree that it's not something you want to do...  Even though I did it intentionally.

It is like bowling: if you're not going to get  a strike, the best thing you can get is a 9, other than a spare.

Quote from: Jake D on February 03, 2006, 09:29:58 AM

Quote from: RVertigo on February 02, 2006, 04:58:47 PM
Well...  Other than nearly getting splattered by a semi or train...  Or crashing...  Or nearly crashing...

I agree that it's not something you want to do...  Even though I did it intentionally.

It is like bowling: if you're not going to get  a strike, the best thing you can get is a 9, other than a spare.

lol, how does this relate to bowling at all? 

Well, my point is that a 9 is like the third best score you can get and third is pretty good.