hey guys, i just put new turn signal's on the rear and the front. When i start the bike, and click the buttom they just come on and stay on they won't blink, either side. what could be wrong. Either the front or back ones will blink
thanks

You put on LEDs, which aren't a direct bolt-on for our bikes. Go back to bulbs to fix it; LEDs are a huge pain to get to work correctly.

nope there not LED'S. I can't remember the name of them. Just a cheap set. first I only put new ones on the rear, and left the stock ones on the front. Then i picked up another 2 for the front and put them on. now they won't blink. What's wrong grrrr.

Quote from: jefferygs500 on March 28, 2006, 06:31:40 PM
............................ What's wrong grrrr.

Maybe the new turn signals use a different bulb than the standard OEM bulb.  A significantly higher or lower resistance will affect the circuit operation.

What is the number on the bulb?

LED signals won't work right? I just bought a pair similar to these and will get them friday.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/sb3-LED-aftermarket-universal-motorcycle-turn-signals_W0QQitemZ4604070671QQcategoryZ35598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

are they staying on indefinitely, or just blinking very slowly?  If your signals pull less power, they will flash more slowly unless you change the relay.

Quote from: porsche4786 on March 28, 2006, 08:11:46 PM
LED signals won't work right? I just bought a pair similar to these and will get them friday.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/sb3-LED-aftermarket-universal-motorcycle-turn-signals_W0QQitemZ4604070671QQcategoryZ35598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You'll need a relay or an extra resistor wired in so that they'll blink at the correct rate.

This brings up a good question I've been meaning to ask: what makes a system ready for LEDs? I got an R6 taillight and have pretty much scrapped working with it because of the problems with adding LEDs to our system.

So yeah, what is different in the systems? Why will an SVS accept them but our bike doesn't?

It must have to do with the flasher on the GS.

Maybe swaping it out would do it...  Who knows.

Quote from: RVertigo on March 29, 2006, 12:13:29 AM
It must have to do with the flasher on the GS.

Maybe swaping it out would do it...  Who knows.

I see...

Well, who's gonna try this? There are some genii here when it comes to this, so if someone could figure it out a lot of people would be happy. Who wants to mess around with it?

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX on March 29, 2006, 12:20:37 AM

Quote from: RVertigo on March 29, 2006, 12:13:29 AM
It must have to do with the flasher on the GS.

Maybe swaping it out would do it...  Who knows.

I see...

Well, who's gonna try this? There are some genii here when it comes to this, so if someone could figure it out a lot of people would be happy. Who wants to mess around with it?

How much of a different shape is the R6 tail light? LED brake light conversions are easy.

I'm not allowed to work on electronics...  Article 5.1 of the Warsaw pact...  Torturing GSes is illegal.

ya but i don't get it, if i put new ones on the back of the bike last year, they worked for me all year. Just now i bought them for the front. Now they won't blink. They'll just come on and stay on??? Could wrong wires do this? Thanks

unless i am mistaken, there is a single relay running both the front and rear signal... so changing only the rear signals would cause less power to be pulled, but then changing the front turn signals after the rear would further decrease the current pulled by each side, resulting in even slower flashing or no flashing at all.

Pablo's site offers a suggestion or two on how to correct this.

So LED brake lights like these, http://clearalternatives.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CA&Product_Code=CTL-0026-2-L-S&Category_Code=Smoke.GS, will work without further modifications? Or do they do some crazy thing like the signals want to do?

Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on March 29, 2006, 12:21:52 AM

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX on March 29, 2006, 12:20:37 AM

Quote from: RVertigo on March 29, 2006, 12:13:29 AM
It must have to do with the flasher on the GS.

Maybe swaping it out would do it... Who knows.

I see...

Well, who's gonna try this? There are some genii here when it comes to this, so if someone could figure it out a lot of people would be happy. Who wants to mess around with it?

How much of a different shape is the R6 tail light? LED brake light conversions are easy.

r3

Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on March 29, 2006, 12:21:52 AM

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX on March 29, 2006, 12:20:37 AM

Quote from: RVertigo on March 29, 2006, 12:13:29 AM
It must have to do with the flasher on the GS.

Maybe swaping it out would do it...  Who knows.

I see...

Well, who's gonna try this? There are some genii here when it comes to this, so if someone could figure it out a lot of people would be happy. Who wants to mess around with it?

How much of a different shape is the R6 tail light? LED brake light conversions are easy.

It could (I think) be made to fit within the area for the stocker on my '05 relatively simply. Here are the dimensions:

GS: 6 6/8" width and 3" height

R6:  6.5" width and 2" height



The reason I'm opting out for now is that I have integrated rear signals, which would wreak havoc due to...well, the LED-factor.

To make the GS work with LED turn signals two things have to happen.

Two diodes must be inserted in the circuit and the turn signal (flasher) relay must be replaced.

Both are discussed in this thread.

Quote from: John Bates on March 29, 2006, 10:15:19 AM
To make the GS work with LED turn signals two things have to happen.

Two diodes must be inserted in the circuit and the turn signal (flasher) relay must be replaced.

Both are discussed in this thread.

Right, but WHY? Why do our bikes need the diodes and flasher, whereas other systems accept LEDs as they are? What thing makes them different?

Quote from: 2005-GS500-PDX on March 29, 2006, 10:37:00 AM

Right, but WHY? Why do our bikes need the diodes and flasher, whereas other systems accept LEDs as they are? What thing makes them different?

DIODES:
The designers could have used separate indicator lamps for left and right turns (in which case the diodes wouldn't have been needed), however, they simplified and cost reduced the circuit by using one indicator bulb that is common to both sides.  This allows current to flow thru the unwanted side whenever either side is used. The current is not enough to light the unwanted turn signal bulbs but is enough to light unwanted turn signal LEDs. The added diodes isolate the two sides from each other so only the desired side is turned on.

FLASHER:
The OEM flasher only works at the current level as determined by the stock incandecent bulbs.  If you replace the bulbs with LEDs you get much less current, not enough to operate the flasher relay.  Therefore the flasher relay must be changed to a more sensitive one.