I always put it in neutral at lights, I guess I'm just lazy

Quote from: TragicImage on April 28, 2006, 06:22:47 PM
oh puh-shaw.



Whatever ECE stands for... I"m a pro at it.... more than likely.... if it involves sleeping.

early childhood education is where i mostly have seen ECE

for me it depends on how long I am stopped, the situation, etc. There are a lot of variables to consider, and you have to choose what is right for you for that particular circumstance. 

I don't know much about wet clutches in motorcycles, but I've read that with clutches on most cars if you just clutch and leave the car in gear, it will wear out the throwout bearing. I dunno how true that is, or it it applies to bike clutches, but thats some food for thought.

Eh.

Quote from: Phaedrus on April 28, 2006, 08:07:06 PM
for me it depends on how long I am stopped, the situation, etc. There are a lot of variables to consider, and you have to choose what is right for you for that particular circumstance. 

I don't know much about wet clutches in motorcycles, but I've read that with clutches on most cars if you just clutch and leave the car in gear, it will wear out the throwout bearing. I dunno how true that is, or it it applies to bike clutches, but thats some food for thought.

Eh.

HOW DARE YOU!!!

trying to get this thread back on topic.

Quote from: Phaedrus on April 28, 2006, 08:07:06 PM
for me it depends on how long I am stopped, the situation, etc. There are a lot of variables to consider, and you have to choose what is right for you for that particular circumstance. 

I don't know much about wet clutches in motorcycles, but I've read that with clutches on most cars if you just clutch and leave the car in gear, it will wear out the throwout bearing. I dunno how true that is, or it it applies to bike clutches, but thats some food for thought.

Eh.

Cars (and Ducatis) have dry clutches. That means they aren't soaking in oil, as wet clutches are. For a car, if you leave the car in gear with the clutch depressed, that means the clutch plates are spinning and wearing as they stick together. For a bike, since it's all soaking in oil, it doesn't matter near as much because the parts are lubricated. However, since parts ARE lubricated they tend to slip more. That's why motorcycles have more clutch plates than cars.

A nice Wiki article on a clutch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutch

Now I don't feel so bad with going back on topic, since Alpha went and threw in actual facts. 

facts don't prove anything.... pssssh....

I wave my genitals in the direction of your facts.

    As a long time rider of over 40 years, I am in the habit of shifting into neutral at stop lights.Its mostly because I always do it in my cars to save wear on the throwout bearings, throwout fork etc.I too have owned motorcycles (Bultacos) that, when hot, the clutch would not release properly, and the bike would creep. But I understand completeley nthe reasoning behind leaving the bike in 1st for a quick gettaway should the need arise.I do keep a vigilante eye on the car behind me, and to be sure they come to a stop before I relax a bit though.

   JJN

Quote from: corndog67 on April 28, 2006, 03:45:37 PM
It is obvious you have never raced motorcycles, or owned a KTM.  I've been on the starting line at different races with the clutch in, in gear, when its starts getting hot and grabby, and pulls you over the line. 

Unless it's grabby enough to skid you forward, applying the brakes might help prevent such an embarrassment.  If it's grabby enough to push you forwards regardless, or else kill the engine, then I get your point.

If your clutch starts dragging, it usually gets worse in a hurry, putting the brakes on most of the time results in a stall.  And Birdmove, I used to own (and race) a Bultaco Astro.  Now that is a bike with a weak clutch. 

I'm not being argumentative, well maybe just a little bit,  I'm just stating what I do. 

And I still regularly ride an old KTM.