I got my new HEL brake lines in place, front and back. Before I put them in, my front brake was getting so spongy I was using the rear for most of my braking. Now, I haven't tried, but I could probably do a stoppie! Massive braking performance increase! I high recommend it! It wasn't too hard to do, either. Just time consuming if, like me, it's the first time you've ever done anything like that. The FAQ's really helped a ton!

Awesome  I love my HEL lines, and I agree - totally worthwhile. Definite improvement over stop. Didja get colored lines? Pics?

got a link on where you got them from...id like to pick them up also.

HEL stands for...?

Quote from: afplayboy18 on June 16, 2006, 07:57:04 PM
got a link on where you got them from...id like to pick them up also.

Try this:

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=27147.0

Quote from: Phaedrus on June 16, 2006, 07:49:54 PM
Awesome  I love my HEL lines, and I agree - totally worthwhile. Definite improvement over stop. Didja get colored lines? Pics?

I just got black, same color as stock, with the rest of the hardware not colored, as per the suggestion of the seller. I'm quite happy with the front! My rear brake isn't working at all for some reason, and It seems completely bled. So I guess I'll just try bleeding some more tomorrow, I don't know why it's not working at all. I know the front bake didn't work until I started the bike and the lines were pressurized or something.

Quote from: Queso on June 16, 2006, 10:06:34 PM
My rear brake isn't working at all for some reason, and It seems completely bled.

hmm..yeah, I would try bleeding it again. And make sure you put fluid back in  Also make sure all your connections, as well as your bleeder screw, is snug.

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Don't carry on bleeding. If you've done it once and done it well then thats not the problem. Your brake callipers may be seized or u need new pads. Rebuild your callipers or atleast clean them out check the pads and make sure they are free to move in and out.

Quote from: Kasumi on June 17, 2006, 02:05:18 AM
Don't carry on bleeding. If you've done it once and done it well then thats not the problem. Your brake callipers may be seized or u need new pads. Rebuild your callipers or atleast clean them out check the pads and make sure they are free to move in and out.

But his brakes were fine before he put the new lines on, right? He said he was using the rear for most of his braking, so that tells me the brakes must have been working fine until he took the lines off. Like you said once it is bled and bled well - then no need to bleed anymore. Bled well is the key term. I am thinking air bubble. Unless there is something I am missing, the only change is the lines - air was introduced into the system.

If I were him, I would re-read Kerry's how to again on flushbing / bleeding:

http://www.bbburma.net/HowTo/BrakeFluid_Replace/

I'm going to pick up another bottle of brake fluid to try and bleed the back some more... As for the front, the brake lever would go all the way against the handle effortlessly after I had bled the front brakes. I was concerned I screwed something up and they wouldn't work. I started the bike to give it a test (before I had done the rear so I still had brakes), and the front break lever firmed up immediately after I started it. Now the front brake works like a charm, so I did the rear much like I did the front, it just never firmed up 

So, my front is working like a charm, and should get me to autozone and back

That's because when you started it it pressurized itself.  That always fixes it.

Well, I bled it again, and I guess I hand't got all the air out of it, I was shocked... The rear brakes work now, but I have to push the pedal down further then I used to... But that's alright, too sensitive and I might lock the rear in an emergency stop too easily. All in all, I'm really glad I did this mod 

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It's a joke.  (shhhh).

Yeah, and jokes are always helpful when a new rider is trying to learn how to properly wrench on their bike...especially when it comes to brakes...

We all know the bikes braking system and its operation and performance is not related to to the engine and if its running or not. Queso obviously doesnt know these things and is confused enough without attempts to wind him up.  Remember we were all novices once.
I remember once reading a similar story in an old bike mag about hydraulic brakes suddenly improving when the engine started and I thought at first the explaination behind it was a myth but in this case the story provides a possible answer. With the engine running the vibrations generated could have helped to simply free-off a trapped bubble in the line that was causing an air-lock, its then traveled up the line to the reservoir and into the air-space. I cant say if this is what happened but its a possible answer as to the sudden improvement in the brakes performance.

Quote from: sledge on June 18, 2006, 09:51:07 AM
We all know the bikes braking system and its operation and performance is not related to to the engine and if its running or not. Queso obviously doesnt know these things and is confused enough without attempts to wind him up.  Remember we were all novices once.
I remember once reading a similar story in an old bike mag about hydraulic brakes suddenly improving when the engine started and I thought at first the explaination behind it was a myth but in this case the story provides a possible answer. With the engine running the vibrations generated could have helped to simply free-off a trapped bubble in the line that was causing an air-lock, its then traveled up the line to the reservoir and into the air-space. I cant say if this is what happened but its a possible answer as to the sudden improvement in the brakes performance.

i was going to suggest or ask if when bleeding the rear, if you had accessed the rear master cylinder. i had a dipshit friend of mine who tried to bleed his brakes and adding (or trying to add) fluid to the FRONT master  lol i explaind his ummm errors to him and all was well

I think I got it straightened out... Brakes are workin great! I'm well aware of the separate master cylinders, so it's all set. I guess maybe I should bleed the front again if it's possible there is still air in it... I haven't messed with it because of how well they are working now. Haven't had any problems with either brake since getting the rear properly bled (there way way more air left in there that I would've guessed).

I do know that in cars, you aren't supposed to pump the brakes with the car off because it can make them not work right.. Don't know much about why though.