never thought of you as a racist....

but she is definately a hate mongerer

Well me neither but I have recently been accused of being a racist......

   regarding the Taliban statement:................"and today they are a tool which the US used to fight against the Soviets and consolidate OIL power"

Yes, the CIA did train and arm the Taliban to fight the soviets, but not for oil.  They did so to help the Taliban to fight against the soviets when they invaded Afghanistan!!!


Yes we do support the Saudi's regarding oil.  Is there a problem with that?  If so, who SHOULD we support for our oil?

I thought you were going to inform us on Islamic religion.  I didnt expect a political commentary.

I have a question for you.  Why are muslims taught in school to hate jews and american- infandels?

Just an FYI...   You're not racist if you hate someone because of their religion...   It just means you're religious.

Quote from: Chris2P on July 06, 2006, 05:17:53 PM
   regarding the Taliban statement:................"and today they are a tool which the US used to fight against the Soviets and consolidate OIL power"

Yes, the CIA did train and arm the Taliban to fight the soviets, but not for oil.  They did so to help the Taliban to fight against the soviets when they invaded Afghanistan!!!


Yes we do support the Saudi's regarding oil.  Is there a problem with that?  If so, who SHOULD we support for our oil?

I thought you were going to inform us on Islamic religion.  I didnt expect a political commentary.

I have a question for you.  Why are muslims taught in school to hate jews and american- infandels?

Can we please ignore this post? Aside from the logical fallacy of begging the question, its designed to turn this thread into a flame war instead of a reasonable discussion of an important topic.

Yup exactly what I thought would happen THE FIRST TIME!!!

Discussions do NOT have to turn into hate-filled diatribes with name-calling, etc. Even debates arguing opposite sides can be civil when people CHOOSE for them to be so. Where's john and his fishing pics? 

Have you ever seen a civil debate here??? 

hehe..hang on guys...let me get done with work and i'll answer.

But i'll have to say i really liked the posts by aaronstj and Unnamed. I'll post my view on things pretty soon 

What really strikes me though is that we as a people have so many similiar interests and drives and yet people try to find ways to distance and divide themselves.

I propose a test: Give a Suzuki GS to some kid in Iraq, another to a kid in China, and another to a kid in the US and then see if they won't ride together for years without problems. Life can be so simple..

Let me guess...you're against the war in Iraq......

Quote from: banner on July 06, 2006, 07:12:28 PM
Life can be so simple..

Not really

AJ....why would a man waste his time answering a question by a second class citizen

and i'm shure the ghey thing might make you a 4th class citizen....stone to death thing


just jokin'

Dont forget that Im a racist too.

OK Banner,
what is the Islamic view on GHEY?

tolerate it or not?

Quote from: banner on July 06, 2006, 01:15:34 PM
... It seems like after 9/11 there has been a lot of misinformation and misunderstandings about islam and hopefully this will help alleviate some of that. So ask away...i'll try my best to answer

Quote from: banner on July 06, 2006, 07:12:28 PM
hehe..hang on guys...let me get done with work and i'll answer.

But i'll have to say i really liked the posts by aaronstj and Unnamed. I'll post my view on things pretty soon...

what do you mean your VIEW? I thought you were going to give answers, not opinions....WTF?

I'd like to add a point here from what i think is a unique perspective. It may not be related to the specific questions being asked, but i think it is valid none the less.

I live in Canada. Our country has had a huge influx of east indian folk move here recently, not to say they're all islamic, but a good number of them are. Toronto is a unique city in that many nationalities move here, and basicly retain most of their cultural identity, and if you move to the right area, you may not ever have to speak english. This presents kind of a special oppourtunity to canadian born toronto citizens... we kind of get a glimpse of the mindset and cultural differences of other cultures.

I can undestand how it is easy to say things like "all islamic people are terrorists!!!" or something silly like that, which is obviously false. Unfortunately, in my opinion, there is a knowledge gap when it comes to understanding non-north-american cultures. Before you can even begin to debate islamic issues, you really need to understand a wide variety of things you just can't read in a text book.

With globalization and whatnot, it is becomming increasingly important that we stop assuming 'well everyone is kind of like us in north america.. we're all human, what does it matter the color of your skin, where you were born, and so on?' Further could be far from the truth, expecially something that's so engrained in culture like islamic issues. As the poster who responed to my question illusrated, the answers to basic questions are complex due to cultural diffrences.

To kind of tie this in with my original comment on living in Canada... i've been going to school now for 3 years in an area that has more new canadians (canada's term for immigrants) than almost anywhere else in canada (malvern community, scarbrough 4/5 are visible minorities). Even working with folks from middle eastern cultures for several years now i'm only now beginning to fully understand some of the cultural differences.



edit: typo

well said

Quote from: pantablo on July 06, 2006, 07:37:28 PM

Quote from: banner on July 06, 2006, 01:15:34 PM
... It seems like after 9/11 there has been a lot of misinformation and misunderstandings about islam and hopefully this will help alleviate some of that. So ask away...i'll try my best to answer

Quote from: banner on July 06, 2006, 07:12:28 PM
hehe..hang on guys...let me get done with work and i'll answer.

But i'll have to say i really liked the posts by aaronstj and Unnamed. I'll post my view on things pretty soon...

what do you mean your VIEW? I thought you were going to give answers, not opinions....WTF?

well Pablo, not that I give a rats ass one way or another... and just for being the devil's advocate.

Can anyone besides the author say what the true meaning of any literary work is?  Christians can't agree on what view of the bible to take...

...."its designed to turn this thread into a flame war instead of a reasonable discussion of an important topic."

Whoa there.  How are my questions a flame? 

I was responding to Banners comments regarding US involvment with the Taliban.  Our CIA did in fact train the Taliban to fight the soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. It had nothing to do with oil, but a fear of the spread of communism.

Another fact:  In Saudi Arabia grammar schools, they do teach to hate jews and americans.  And supposedly they are using scriptures from the Kuran to support this.  This was a 60 minutes investigation about 6 months ago.


Another fact:  The Saudies have had US support since the late 1950's or earlier ( I believe ).  And according to Noam Chomsky (a nobel prize winner in linguistics and political commentarian) there was a congressional hearing back in in mid -1950's that concluded that the best governmental entity for the middle east to supply us with oil was NOT a democrat government but a  totalitarian organization which we have supported to this date.  Thus many years of hatred towards the US in supporting a suppressive regime.

Let's cut to the chase, the reason for the interest in Islamic religion is due to the current state of affairs after 9-11.

I would like to know specifically what the Koran states regarding Jews and "infandels".  And from everything I hear in the news, I am an "infandel"  because I was born in this country.  Maybe this is a bunch of crap but I would like to hear the facts from a muslim.  I guess this isnt a "reasonable discussion" on an important topic?

PS:  No I'm not anit Muslim, no I am not a die hard "US is right in everthing, and no I'm not trying to flame this thread.  I think these are valid questions based upon what is presented in the news.

Also, I would like to know what the religious elephant statue symbolizes, but that may be Hinduism?

Chris