Quote from: MrDan on October 02, 2006, 09:52:03 AMI'll see what I can post this evening.

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You did well! I am sorry my diagram wasn't clear enough for you. I have an idea of laying out a wiring harness and photographing each section of the harness for connector identification. Something like a dissected GS nervous system for medical research.

QuoteOh - and I too heard the CCPC was awesome

If you would like to apply for a tester's permit, Pandy is the Application Administrator.
Be warned, abuses of power are common in the world of CCPC. The DEA has threatend to classify it and force a controlled substance status on it. 

Some guys with black limos and sunglasses have been hanging around lately too. 

Quote from: starwalt on October 03, 2006, 05:30:35 AM
Concerning the LEFT FRONT TSignal wiring...

The Red wire from the LED assembly should go to the Black wire of the GS.
[The Black GS wire has +12V when the TSig switch is ON.]

The Black wire from the LED assembly should go to the Black/White wire of the GS.
[The Black/White wire of the GS is nearly always Return (aka Negative, Earth, Ground.]

For the RIGHT FRONT TSig -- Red goes to Light Green.
[The Light Green wire has +12V when the TSig switch is ON.]
Black to Black/White as with the Left Front.

This assumes that the usual convention of Red=+ and Black =- for LED lamps.

This also assumes that you are connecting to the original GS TSig wires. 

An unmodified GS uses the same color for the front and rear TSig wires.

Ok - I believe the double connector is Black/White but it might just be Black.  I'll play around tonight. 

If I remember correctly, when I was basically trying every combination, if I move the FL Red from Brown to Black, I get the 4 solid on.  And still no Indicator.  Would that mean I need to play with the flasher relay that I just installed?

Quote from: MrDan on October 03, 2006, 07:07:13 AM
Ok - I believe the double connector is Black/White but it might just be Black.  I'll play around tonight. 

Oooooh I can't wait to hear how this one comes out! 

Quote from: starwalt on October 03, 2006, 05:42:03 AM
If you would like to apply for a tester's permit, Pandy is the Application Administrator. Be warned, abuses of power are common in the world of CCPC. The DEA has threatend to classify it and force a controlled substance status on it.  Some guys with black limos and sunglasses have been hanging around lately too. 

MrDan would NEVER appreciate the delicate nature of CCPC syndrome. He puts PEPPERS in BROWNIES! As Application Administrator, I'm sorry to say that we're not accepting applications at the moment. I must wait to see what the DEA says (but they're busy with spinach right now  ). If anyone tries to horn in on my CCPC, the men in dark glasses and limos will visit you, followed by the men in white coats....so back off! 

Quote from: pandy on October 03, 2006, 09:19:53 AM

Quote from: MrDan on October 03, 2006, 07:07:13 AM
Ok - I believe the double connector is Black/White but it might just be Black.  I'll play around tonight. 

Oooooh I can't wait to hear how this one comes out! 

Neither can I 

Quote from: pandy on October 03, 2006, 09:19:53 AM

Quote from: starwalt on October 03, 2006, 05:42:03 AM
If you would like to apply for a tester's permit, Pandy is the Application Administrator. Be warned, abuses of power are common in the world of CCPC. The DEA has threatend to classify it and force a controlled substance status on it.  Some guys with black limos and sunglasses have been hanging around lately too. 

MrDan would NEVER appreciate the delicate nature of CCPC syndrome. He puts PEPPERS in BROWNIES! As Application Administrator, I'm sorry to say that we're not accepting applications at the moment. I must wait to see what the DEA says (but they're busy with spinach right now  ). If anyone tries to horn in on my CCPC, the men in dark glasses and limos will visit you, followed by the men in white coats....so back off! 

Ouch .. And to think I was going to send you Kobe steaks for your birthday 

You need a wagner 552 flasher. You also cannot put in resistors into a pre made T/S system, its already in there. Then you should just wire it all up as it was before. they worked before right ...
Cool.
Srinath.

Quote from: seshadri_srinath on October 03, 2006, 10:50:41 AM
You need a wagner 552 flasher. You also cannot put in resistors into a pre made T/S system, its already in there. Then you should just wire it all up as it was before. they worked before right ...
Cool.
Srinath.

I got the 552 flasher made by Tridon - should be the same unit.  I put that in and will (hopefully) finish correcting the wiring this evening.  I didn't try the stock turn signals with the flasher, but the bike worked perfectly stock .... I'm the one who had to go and mess around hahahahaa

Ok ... figured out I made a bad connector.  So here's where I'm at now.

T/S switch on = all for lights solid but no indicator

Using a voltmeter (or whatever it's called), I'm getting 10.5ish on both wires at the 552 flasher and 8-9 when the TSs are on.

What's next?  The guy working on it with me said it's a bad TSSwitch but I'm not convinced.  Am I correct in recalling that removing the TS indicator bulb will correct this? 

Other thoughts?

bump .. no thoughts?

Quote from: MrDan on October 05, 2006, 08:49:27 AM
Ok ... figured out I made a bad connector.  So here's where I'm at now.

T/S switch on = all for lights solid but no indicator

This is expected because the indicator ckt needs to be modified to work with LEDs.

Quote from: MrDan on October 05, 2006, 08:49:27 AM
Using a voltmeter (or whatever it's called), I'm getting 10.5ish on both wires at the 552 flasher and 8-9 when the TSs are on.

The voltages are ok, assuming the engine is not running.

Quote from: MrDan on October 05, 2006, 08:49:27 AM
What's next?  The guy working on it with me said it's a bad TSSwitch but I'm not convinced.  Am I correct in recalling that removing the TS indicator bulb will correct this? 

Other thoughts?

You need to add two diodes and a ground connection to the indicator ckt.

This is the stock ckt


Here's what you need to end up with.

Nice job John! 

I got busy and let this one slip away. I hope MrDan is blinking away now.

I'll uhhh try this Monday hopefully.  Been dealing with all the stuff associated with 2 friends getting married. 

Where do I get those Diodes again?  And just use any wire to ground?

Quote from: MrDan on October 07, 2006, 08:22:44 PM
.........................................Where do I get those Diodes again?  And just use any wire to ground?

I would use a diode from Radio Shack or one with similar electrical characteristics.

A 1N4003 for $.69 each. Radio Shack Catalog No. 276-1102.

Inside the headlight housing:

I would cut the lt. green and black wires at the main wiring harness side of the blue connector. (not the side of the connector that connects to the turn signal indicator light)  Attach a diode to each of the cut wires from the main harness.  Twist the other ends (the ends with the silver colored band) of the diodes together and connect them to the cut lt. green wire that's coming from the blue connector.

Connect the cut black wire that's coming from the blue connector to the spare ground wire (black/white) or any black/white wire within the headlight housing. Use a wire size that is at least as big as the existing wiring. If there is enough slack in the existing wires you may be able to splice the black wire directly to the spare black/white wire.

IMPORTANT
The diode end with the silver colored band connects to the indicator light.

Solder all connections and insulate all bare wires with heat shrink or tape.

Here's a pic of the wiring in my headlight bucket:

Ok - Update time

I put the two Diodes in (thanks John - took myself and a mechanic but we figured it out).

Now, with the Wagner 552 Flasher in, the indicator works with the lights BUT the turn signals are really faint - barely any light.  And they don't flash.

With the stock flasher, everything is bright and looks good .. cept still no flashing.

So now what?

Are you saying the LEDs are dim with the 552, but bright with the stock?
(I think that is what you are saying.)

I would not expect the stock flasher to work with the LEDs -- not enough current flowing in the circuit.

As a test, you should be able to put a jumper in place of the TSR (relay). It only has two wires (be careful and don't get the jumper on the chassis or SNAP! you will arc something up).

With a jumper in, when you press Left or Right, the panel indicator should light AND the respective side should light constantly.

The idea here is to eliminate the TSR as a source of resistance. Hmmmm -- interesting.
Aggrivating for you Mr Dan, but interesting to me (in a Mr. Spock sort of way).

So just use a standard jumper on this to test?  I can do that   Would a piece of wire work as well?

Alrighty ... so that was interesting.

1.  552 Flasher in = no power to LEDs, faint solid at indicator
2.  Stock Flasher = solid at LED (1 side) AND indicator
3.  Piece of wire in place = solid at LED (1 side) AND indicator

So the Stock flasher and the piece of wire had the same result while the 552 didn't work.  And this is a brand new one - I exchanged just in case I blew out the old one somehow.

So it sounds like the result you anticipated is correct

But what's that mean? hahahahaha

Sounds like the 552 is hosed. At the least it should have had the same result as the stock TSR. I cannot remember if anyone has had a successful LED conversion with a 552 TSR.

John Bates mentioned another TSR previously -- the el12 variable load flasher. I couldn't locate it on the custom dynamics link from the first page.

I bet it ain't cheap though.

This goes back to one of my ideas to make a LED replacement that uses the same current as the stock bulb. That keeps this kink of a problem from happening.

You could try another 552, but....you really need a non load dependent TSR. It also may require some more rewiring. The stock is inserted inline with the system. A non load dependent unit my need a separate "On" command, ground, and voltage source.

Keep us posted.

Quote from: MrDan on October 09, 2006, 08:11:03 PM
Alrighty ... so that was interesting.

1.  552 Flasher in = no power to LEDs, faint solid at indicator
2.  Stock Flasher = solid at LED (1 side) AND indicator
3.  Piece of wire in place = solid at LED (1 side) AND indicator

So the Stock flasher and the piece of wire had the same result while the 552 didn't work.  And this is a brand new one - I exchanged just in case I blew out the old one somehow.

So it sounds like the result you anticipated is correct

But what's that mean? hahahahaha

Results 2 and 3 are as expected.

Result 1 is because the 552 is the same as the stock flasher.  Try a Trico EP37.  It's supposed to be for LEDs or bulbs.

My earlier reference to el12 is incorrect.  I should have said EP37.

I actually had the same result with my first (possibly hosed) 552 and a brand new one that I went out and got.  So I think the flasher's fine - just not for this application.

I'll order one of those EP37 ($20 plus s/h WOW).  This is getting to be almost as expensive as my wileyco CF exhaust.

But it's good to learn on I guess.

So - this the EP37 needs to be hard wired, is it possible to get a connector like is currently on the bike so I can make it swappable with the original?  At some point, I'll want to restore the bike to stock and will probably want to take my $90 LED Turn Signals with me

I'll let everyone know what happens when I get the new unit.

Thanks John and Starwalt.