sry if this is the wrong place to put this but i need some help im fairly new to riding and have a gs500f '05 and im having a prob with it after a small mishap on the street the problem is that it isnt redlining in 6th gear and wont go past 110 now i did decide to play witht he gears i went 2 donw in the front and 3 up in the back but i shouldnt have lost 20 mph top end maybe 10 at the most anyways if someone could help me i would appreaciate it thanks guys



(oh and i know the gear change like that for this bike is a tad agressive but i was bored   )

You're new to riding and upset your bike won't redline in 6th gear?

Here's what you do.

Go get your keys.

Got your keys? Good. Now, remove the bike keys from the key chain. Got that?

Okay, so you have your bike keys in your hand now. Go get all the spares you have and get those too. So now you have all your keys for this bike.

Man, you must be one cool dude, all the ladies must love you! 110 already and such a new rider! What a pimp!

Okay, so the keys, right?

Alright, so you've got all these keys for your bike, yeah?

So take these keys and give them to someone at the dealership and never touch a motorcycle again.

 
+1 ALPHA 

I saw that coming,hehe.

Im new to bikes myself and Ive had my 06 GSF upto 140 kmph on the highway and well Im sooo not use to that much wind on me,haha.  I wont be going over 140 kph in a while let alone trying to redline the bike.

If you are really trying to drive so fast as to redline in 6thh gear and you are a new rider like myself you wont be alive come Christmas so I wouldnt worry about it.

This board isnt very friendly to people who get a GS and want to do things like go fast and stunt. Since the GS isn't a sport bike, its more a standard/sport. If you want to do things like go past 110 and you got a GS it shows a couple things: you did not do a lick of research, you dont know crap about bikes, finally your level of immaturity.

That could be one response. Here is another.

Sorry your never going to reach the redline in sixth on a GS for several reasons unless you were to overcome aerodynamics. When you mess with the stock gearing your either going to gain something in one spot or loose something elsewhere. Like smaller gears makes everything spin faster so you reach the max faster (lower top speed). Your best off dropping  a few teeth at best, but better yet do some research first. Be sure your chain isnt too loose. Also the GS isnt made for speed, look into a early 90's 600cc if you want to easily go past 100.

So what, every new rider wants to red line their bike. thats why you get a GS, because at red like your only around 100.
I did it to mine, top speed 102 indicated. I don't plan on doing it again any time soon but don't act like you haven't.

Quote from: Bulwark on December 14, 2006, 03:16:25 PM
I saw that coming,hehe.

+1 
posting anything about stunting or fast riding is obviously gana get you spanked around here. 

+1 on leaving it be at "110"

I haven't ever tryed to red line. Bikes cost to much and crashing hurts. 

Guys, other than Flaming it would be better to try and educate him a little. I know we have all been burned in the past by trying to mentor someone new and it gets old... very old. Why not try and explain why he should stay at low speeds while learning, take an MSF course, start reading posts on the board and use the search function ect. ect. I would hate to see him leave the forum because we shaZam! on him for a squid move which we all have done at least once. I'd bet the next place he would go is to some other forum where people would encourage him to stunt, trade his GS in for a GSXR1000 and he ends up dead...

Xanthic,

If your new to riding you probably dont want to start stunting right off the bat. You need to build experience. You need to get to know your bike. I take it you have at the very least some mechanical education to change the front and rear sprocket and have used our forum for the tooth drop up down mod. I'd add to that most of those posts show the plus and negative side. I know for a fact 3 of those posts show that when you modify the gearing you will loose speed, especially if you go down in the front up in the rear. Here is your chance to redeem yourself. Please dont prove me wrong by more posts on Wheelies, there are enough of them, and top speed, our bikes just dont have the HP to overcome the drag induced. If you want some good modifications to make you can find them all over. Also try reading 50 tips to save your life just above this posty



try not to be to squidly k 

Well...  1 tooth difference up front is generally worth 3 teeth at that back.  By gearing your bike 2 teeth "taller" (equals less rpm at a given speed) up front, and 3 teeth "shorter" at the back, you have a net of three rear teeth "taller" gearing.  This may be why the bike won't pull to redline anymore.  The GS may not have the power to "pull" that gearing.

There should be a gearing chart on the wiki you can link to and look at to help see what's going on. 

I couldn't have put this better myself. Well done, Foreverunstopable. 

To those who don't have anything better to do than snark at others: STFU. 

To those who want to rise to the challenge of educating n00b riders who might get in above their heads: carry on.   

xanthic: There are words of wisdom here, even among the grumps. Foreverunstopable definitely has your best interests at heart here, so follow his advice, k? We want you to have a long, happy riding life! 

Quote from: Foreverunstopable on December 14, 2006, 03:44:06 PM
Guys, other than Flaming it would be better to try and educate him a little. I know we have all been burned in the past by trying to mentor someone new and it gets old... very old. Why not try and explain why he should stay at low speeds while learning, take an MSF course, start reading posts on the board and use the search function ect. ect. I would hate to see him leave the forum because we shaZam! on him for a squid move which we all have done at least once. I'd bet the next place he would go is to some other forum where people would encourage him to stunt, trade his GS in for a GSXR1000 and he ends up dead...

Xanthic,

If your new to riding you probably dont want to start stunting right off the bat. You need to build experience. You need to get to know your bike. I take it you have at the very least some mechanical education to change the front and rear sprocket and have used our forum for the tooth drop up down mod. I'd add to that most of those posts show the plus and negative side. I know for a fact 3 of those posts show that when you modify the gearing you will loose speed, especially if you go down in the front up in the rear. Here is your chance to redeem yourself. Please dont prove me wrong by more posts on Wheelies, there are enough of them, and top speed, our bikes just dont have the HP to overcome the drag induced. If you want some good modifications to make you can find them all over. Also try reading 50 tips to save your life just above this posty



try not to be to squidly k 

Quote from: Wondertwin on December 14, 2006, 04:12:42 PM
Well...  1 tooth difference up front is generally worth 3 teeth at that back.  By gearing your bike 2 teeth "taller" (equals less rpm at a given speed) up front, and 3 teeth "shorter" at the back, you have a net of three rear teeth "taller" gearing.  This may be why the bike won't pull to redline anymore.  The GS may not have the power to "pull" that gearing.

There should be a gearing chart on the wiki you can link to and look at to help see what's going on. 

Okay he said 2 down in front, 3 up in rear.  1 down in front is worth about 3 up in the rear, so those 2 down is worth 6 up and the other 3 makes it equivalent to 9 up in the rear, or 9/39 = 23%.  But that's really confusing, so I don't like to think that way.

Easier way, stock gearing is 16/39 = 0.41 , so two down three up is 14/42 = 0.33, or 24% less speed (more RPM & more torque).

That means his RPM will be 24% HIGHER at the same speed.  Which is quite a bit, and probably brings down the top speed quite a bit.  It theoretically makes the top speed 24% SLOWER.  Far easier to redline, but not... umm... useful.  Great for getting off the line.  It must be fun for that.

Yeah I agree leave the rear alone now that it is changed. Go stock with the front, do the ignition advancer mod, Rejet, change the airbox to K&N lunchbox. Be happy with the new power, then in time change the exhaust.. or change it now.. You seem to have the ability and time, go nuts with the mods that will net you a little more hp, smoother throttle and a little better low end grunt and the cost of a little MPG...

Glad to see this discussions is getting back on track 

Are there any other side effects to changing the gearing?
(ill assume you have to re-tension the chain).

Well you can't teach common sense or maturity, look at some of our state's/country's laws for example.

Our questioner's last post HERE shows that he is not afraid to wrench it after breaking it so...

all I have to say about that is

"Hey Pandy!"

Quote from: starwalt on December 14, 2006, 05:40:19 PM
Our questioner's last post HERE shows that he is not afraid to wrench it after breaking it so...

And the fact that he's here means he wants to learn, and that's a good thing! 

Quote from: starwalt on December 14, 2006, 05:40:19 PM
all I have to say about that is "Hey Pandy!"

Hi, starwalt! 

QuoteOkay he said 2 down in front, 3 up in rear.  1 down in front is worth about 3 up in the rear, so those 2 down is worth 6 up and the other 3 makes it equivalent to 9 up in the rear, or 9/39 = 23%.

Oops, for some reason I thought I read up in the front...  But yeah, gearing that far down is obvously going to have an effect on top speed.  It'll sure jump off the line though, for wahtever that's worth.   

ok let  me rephrase this ive been riding for about 2 years on several diff bikes (not my own) i own one now just so happens o be a peice of shaZam! 500 i didnt have the mney to get anything and i was itchin to ride i can ride just fine in fact ive been complimented ive taken every msf cours there is from beginner to advanced anyways thanks for the help (that one guy at least)



i can ride i just dont know much abou the mechanics of it MY BAD

thanks to all  that helped i really apreaciate it 

I think xanthic has received at least some of the help he needed. Thread locked.