Whatever Happened to Online Etiquette?
by David Pogue of  The New York Times


"Dear David, first off i would like to tell you that you are full of **** and did not research the zune enough to know your facts.

"The following are incorrect, and not limited to: podcasts, giftcards, looks(which is an oppinion), controls, and content. Also i would like to inform you that on the day of the launch(nov 14) there is a sceduled firmware upgrade which will most likely disband the 3 by 3 rule [which limits songs beamed between Zunes to three playbacks within three days], and the zune marketplace is also to offer video content about one month after launch. In my oppinion you should be fired for wrighting such a biast article in a (somewhat)professional newspaper. Oh and in case you think i work for microsoft or have bad grammar, or something, you should know that im 15!"

The deeper we sail into the new online world of communications, the sadder I get about its future.

I'm OK with criticism, I'm fine with disagreement, I'm perfectly capable of handling angry mail. That's not the issue here (although my teenage correspondent above was, in fact, wrong about every single one of his points).

I've even accepted personal attacks as part of the job. I'm a columnist; the heat comes with the kitchen.

But what's really stunning is how hostile *ordinary* people are to each other online these days.

Slashdot and Digg.com are extremely popular sites for tech fans. Each discussion begins with the presentation of an article or Web page--and then opens up the floor for discussion.

Lately, an increasing number of the discussions devolve into name-calling and bickering. Someone might submit, say, this item to Digg:

685 diggs. "AWESOME astronomy poem." (posted by MetsFan 3 days ago)

Twinkle, twinkle, little star, how I wonder what you are.
Up above the world so high, like a diamond in the sky,
Twinkle, twinkle, little star, how I wonder what you are.

Before long, the people's feedback begins, like this:

by baddude on 12/11/06
What's yr problem, moron. You already said it's a star, why would you then wonder what it is. Get a clue, or a life.

by neverland2 on 12/11/06
Dugg down as inaccurate. Stars do not twinkle. It's the shifting atmosphere that causes an apparent twinkle. Or were you stoned all through science class?

by mrobe on 12/11/06
yo neverland2--It's a poem, idiot. Nobody's claiming that stars twinkle. Ever heard of poetic license?
Honestly, the intellectual level of you people is right up there with a gnat's.

...and so on.

What's worse is that the concentration of the nasty people increases as the civil ones get fed up and leave.

What's going on here?

My current theories:

* On the Internet, you're anonymous. Since you don't have to face the person you're dumping on, you don't see any reason to display courtesy.

* On the Internet, you're anonymous. You worry that your comments might get lost in the shuffle, so you lay it on thick to enhance your noticeability.

* The open toxicity is all part of the political climate. We've learned from the Red state-Blue state talking heads that open hostility can pass for meaningful conversation.

* Young people who spend lots of time online are, in essence, replacing in-person social interactions with these online exchanges. With so much less experience conversing in the real world, they haven't picked up on the value of treating people civilly. That is, they haven't yet hit the stage of life when getting things like friends, a spouse and a job depend on what kind of person you are.

* Many parents haven't been teaching social skills (or haven't been around to teach them) for years, but Web 2.0 is suddenly making it apparent for the first time. ("Web 2.0" describes sites like Digg and Slashdot, where the audience itself provides material for the Web site.)

I'd give just about anything to hear what 15-year-old Josh's parents would say if they knew how little respect he holds for adults (let alone the English language). Then again, maybe they wouldn't be surprised a bit.

The real shame, though, is that the kneejerk "everyone else is an idiot" tenor is poisoning the potential the Internet once had. People used to dream of a global village, where maybe we can work out our differences, where direct communication might make us realize that we have a lot in common after all, no matter where we live or what our beliefs.

But instead of finding common ground, we're finding new ways to spit on the other guy, to push them away. The Internet is making it easier to attack, not to embrace.

Maybe as the Internet becomes as predominant as air, somebody will realize that online behavior isn't just an afterthought. Maybe, along with HTML and how to gauge a Web site's credibility, schools and colleges will one day realize that there's something else to teach about the Internet: Civility 101.

whats your point?

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

Quote from: pantablo on December 14, 2006, 02:54:11 PM
whats your point?

Don't be a jackass, Pablo.

FU all! 

I've always wanted to say that.... 

STFU N00B!!!!


Sorry, kneejerk reaction. What was the article about?

Well we could always just do what OMW does and blame its demise "on" the "jews"...............................

Quote from: pandy on December 14, 2006, 03:07:53 PM
FU all! 

I've always wanted to say that.... 

Quote from: pandy on December 14, 2006, 03:07:53 PM
FU all! 

I've always wanted to say that.... 

as IF it were your first time....

Yawn, boring.  Tell me something I don't already know...and compensate for. 

 btw this ia either Egaeus or alpha"by neverland2 on 12/11/06
Dugg down as inaccurate. Stars do not twinkle. It's the shifting atmosphere that causes an apparent twinkle. Or were you stoned all through science class?" 

Children are some of the most hateful, cruel, little bastards and bitches alive. Then they become Adults.

Quote from: Old Mr. Wilson on December 14, 2006, 06:56:28 PM
Children are some of the most hateful, cruel, little bastards and bitches alive. Then they become Adults.

well said

Quote from: Old Mr. Wilson on December 14, 2006, 06:56:28 PM
Children are some of the most hateful, cruel, little bastards and bitches alive. Then they become Adults.

Just like you, OMW??

good article pandy 

Nice to meet you, you f*cking spammer.  Go back to the rock that you crawled from.  You and your kind need  to be exterminated.

You know...  The hit & run asshat I encountered must be your brother or something.  Only f*ckers like you would ever do that.

Get a f*cking life.

Quote from: annguyen1981 on December 14, 2006, 07:49:36 PM
Nice to meet you, you f*cking spammer.  Go back to the rock that you crawled from.  You and your kind need  to be exterminated.

You know...  The hit & run asshat I encountered must be your brother or something.  Only f*ckers like you would ever do that.

Get a f*cking life.

wrong board an try the r6 one 

Quote from: pantablo on December 14, 2006, 05:57:10 PM
as IF it were your first time....

Nothing wrong with pretending it's one's first time every time one does it.... 

Quote from: pandy on December 14, 2006, 08:07:27 PM

Quote from: pantablo on December 14, 2006, 05:57:10 PM
as IF it were your first time....

Nothing wrong with pretending it's one's first time every time one does it.... 

You CAN'T still be getting away with that after all these years, Pandy.

Quote from: OctaneMotorsports on December 14, 2006, 08:12:22 PM
You CAN'T still be getting away with that after all these years, Pandy.

What can I say... I'm good... 

So we're suppose to be kind to one another?     I can tell that the author of this article is a genuine nice guy.  If you're a "nice guy" it's hard to understand why some folks are "ass hats".  Alot of people who post rude condecending comments aren't acting or putting up a front.  That's just the way they are.  Genuine nice folks are nice online, in public, at home with family and friends, and at work.  "Ass hats" are ass hats in all aspects of life. 

If I were grading this article, I'd give the author a D- because he's a troll and obviously doesn't know anything about anything.  Freakin idot.