OK I have an "Invention". I am sure its not the first or last of many dumb ideas I ahve had. But let me know what you guys think of this.
I like this a lot because it uses what is essentially a house hold waste product ... 
I have a device that is a bag of sorts. You can carry it in your pocket or backpack. Its smaller than a pack of cigarettes (ok fine its larger than that ... but ... not by much ... easy to carry in your bag or tool area of your bike ... heck you can wrap the tools in it presumably).
The part where it comes into play is ... you run out of gas. You dont have to push your bike miles to the nearest gas station. You can walk or if you have another rider ... you can siphon or drain some gas from his/her bike into this bag. Then fit the tap (provided) and put the gas into the tank. 1+ gallon worth capacity and you ride off to the gast station for the next fill up.
I could sell a few for like $5 + shipping.
If I start getting orders pouring in, I may have to work on a minimum and work on getting it made etc ...
What you think.
Now what is this revolutionary material ... and household waste you say pray tell ...
OK Its the bag that is inside of the cheap ass wine that is sold in boxes. Its 2 layers of super thin polypropelene or whatever crap and has a tap that believe it or not, isn't that hard to remove. Presumably after 3-5 or more times it may start leaking ... but hey we'll think about it when we come to that. Maybe an O ring seal or something can be designed into it. Numbers are the key to get the manufacturers to do it. for right now, I am happy to reuse what essentially ends up in a land fill.
So what Y'all think.
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Srinath.

Oh yea ... clean the wine out of it ... dont want your bike drunk on the wine ... and dry it out well ... that is a real beeatch ... though a wee bit of water may not be too big a deal.
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Srinath.

how hard are those to colapse down and will the gas eat through it? not a bad idea tho.

-ash

Man, that's a great idea! That's, I guess, would be considered thinking out of the box!!!

Gas will not eat it. Its a mylar type thing ... inpervious to everything. Cleaning it is the worst part ... after that its should be good. Its not meant to be cleaned ... so it doesn't ... Of course the tap seal may be an issue ... with repeated use.
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Srinath.

Just carry some condoms.... multi-use - water, gas etc...   

Well ... you are Dr Love ... 
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Srinath.

Or you could just switch to reserve 

Tell that to "whitetiger"....."Third time I've run out of gas... What's wrong with my reserve tank!!!"

Just stop for gas more often. 

I can see issues. Over here there are numerous laws and regulations regarding the storage and transport of petrol. You are not allowed to store and transport small quantities of fuel in anything other than approved containers and I cant see it being any different over the pond. I cant see a wine bag meeting the standard. Ok nothing stopping you as an individual doing it but would you be allowed to market and sell it without it being classed as an approved container???........you need to do some digging.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/LAU/lacs/65-9.htm

Its not going to be stored or transported. Its going to sit empty. Its going to be carried by hand with gas from a gas station to your bike. Then it goes right back to being empty.
Storing and transporting are concerns in a moving veicle only. It needs to get DOT approval for being transported in a vehicle. However I am not marketing it at all. Its an idea for someone to use if they want to.
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Srinath.

If you start selling that on here, someone will die.  A new rider/squid that has never siphoned gas is gonna get a belly full of 87 octane and drop dead.   

You dont siphon. You fill it with at a gas station. You also can unhook gas lines and get it out of another bike. No siphoning needed. Of course another bike being around, you can get on it and ride to gas station and get it back. No need for siphoning.
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Srinath.

Quote from: sledge on January 20, 2007, 04:54:21 PM
I can see issues. Over here there are numerous laws and regulations regarding the storage and transport of petrol. You are not allowed to store and transport small quantities of fuel in anything other than approved containers and I cant see it being any different over the pond. I cant see a wine bag meeting the standard. Ok nothing stopping you as an individual doing it but would you be allowed to market and sell it without it being classed as an approved container???........you need to do some digging.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/LAU/lacs/65-9.htm

+1

you cant put gas in anything other than an approved can in the US 

Yeah, it's illegal to use an unapproved container, but how many minimum wage clerks actually look, especially when you're using a credit card outside?

I think this is a great idea IF you can figure out how to use it practically.  Have you actually tried reattaching the spigot to a bag full (or 3/4 full) of liquid?

You could also flatten a gallon milk jug (not quite as portable, but close).

If there is another bike around and you have a hose, you eliminate the need for the bag.

If you're going to the expense of actually buying or creating a bag to carry gas in the event you run COMPLETELY dry, you are admitting you are forgetful enough that this will actually save you time and money.

Kind of like um... carrying an ice pack around in the event you get in a fight and need something to put against your black eye.

It might come in handy, who knows?   

Yeah, it's illegal to use an unapproved container, but how many minimum wage clerks actually look, especially when you're using a credit card outside?

You have missed my point. The question I asked was would you be allowed to market and sell it as a product for storing and transporting fuel allowing you to profit from the idea without it being an approved container?.......doubtful. Drop a can full of petrol 4 foot it will take it without bursting, will a winebag do the same hhhmmm?
Using a wine bag to transport fuel is a very grey issue. If you do it without incident no-one is likely to complain, but if something happens that results in injury or damge, certainly death you will have the book thrown at you. Like all good ideas at the time, the idea of a collapsable, and space saving container must have occured to makers of petrol cans before now....but I dont see one on the market.

One - I have already told y'all to grab your used up wine bag and use it ... so screw the marketing part. If you buy them from me, I'd sell you a used wine bag no mention of gas. But hey ... use your own ... if you want.
And Yea you are going to stuff your bike under someone's bike to fill gas in it. If you have a hose ... I didn't mean have a long hose per say (which is not a bad idea BTW) ... you can fill something this small with the stock fuel hoses off a bike. No need for more hose.
And sledge ... this wine bag will take my 240 lb weight without leaking. I doubt a gas can will. I have blown this up and stood on it. Its not going to burst or leak ... atleast not without a few times of pulling off its tap and re fitting it. Its going to probably stand up to all the same conditions as a can with less leakage ... however getting it DOT certified, whole other issue. I am not doing it, this thing is already out there, I go through the effort of certifying it and now everyone has a bag they can use. Its not a secret at all.
In any case ... the can was invented what 50 years ago ... this bag deal has popped up in the last 10 ... I think its a question of ... well the wine companies have this bag they are using, and we dont have a control over it ... so we aren't even going to suggest it to people. This is somehting everyone of us has access to as a house hold item. No industry is motivated to show you how to use something you are throwing away. They want to have you throw it away ... and buy their "approved product". It will take a 10 foot fall, it will take a heavy man standing on it after its fully inflated with air BTW and not ever leak, it will fit in your pocket or backpack and about the only real draw back I can see is that it only carries 5 liters. 1 1/4 gallon. The usual can is closer to 5 gallons and that is huge especially when filling up a lawn mower etc ...
Once again - I am selling used wine bags for $5. Not no gas nothing.
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Srinath.

Working for a large Engineering company on many sites inc` petrochemical and other high risk installations means that health and safety is a big issue and it becomes a main part of your job, this fact gets continually drummed into you almost every day. After years and years of it you become aware of risks and hazards that many people dont even see, even when at home or carrying out mundane tasks it becomes second nature just to look for the dangers. Hence my concern with this issue. You may think I am just being negative and argumentative but personally I have seen too many safety-videos and after event pictures, and read to many accident-reports and horror-stories about the mis-use of flammable liquids to contemplate carrying even small amounts of petrol in a wine bag......but hey.... its the individuals choice and most things in life have an element of risk to them so if someone wants to do it.......go right ahead. Its really non of my concern and besides most people think accidents always happens to someone else anyway.

`Nuff said.