Heck, small amounts are worse than large amounts. Anyway, you'd never have a partially filled bag in your back pack. You'd only carry empty bag. The only time it will ahve gasoline in it is when you are walking back from the gas station to your bike. Then you fill it, un tap it when empty, drain the last few drops into the tank, and wipe the tap and insides with a few sheets of Paper towels, toss that in a trash can and you're done. Its just as dangerous as your gas can with gas in it.
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Srinath.

Those mylar wine bags are pretty strong against pressure and pretty much immune to blunt trauma.
The problem comes with any thing sharp. Drop a bag onto anything like a bit of glass on the hard shoulder and it'll start pissing petrol.
Also carrying a smooth amorphous bag without any handles weighing in at about 5 Kg for X miles is going to be a pain.

As most gas stations sell fuel cans for pretty cheap, I'd just buy a can, fill it then chuck it once I'd filled the bike.

Gas plus plastic like that = napalm. Sticks to things.

I think Srinath just cant bear to throw out a perfectly good plastic bag (with a nozzle!). They must be piling up in his garage. what kind of wine you drinking Srinath... Franzia Sunset Blush

OK dropping it on pavement on to broken glass will not do it. Its double walled ... one layer is plenty to hold it back ... plenty. Unless you ahve nails or a knife lying on the road in your neighborhood, its going to hold it just fine. Lack of handles - yea I'll admit that, buying a gas can and tossing it OK fine its an idea ... as is bungee cording an empty can to your seat and riding back home. But that will not help you drain gas from a friends bike. OK you can use his bike to ride to the gas station and run back with a can and then toss the can.
And no it wont stick to gas ... its very impervious to it. It can get burnt or singed by the exhaust or cylinder head contact ... but that's about it.
You guys need to get a clue sometimes. And yea they are piling up ... I also have another idea surrounding these. Yet to be released.
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Srinath.

It's a nice idea, but it isn't idiot proof for the masses.

Besides, I could never get myself to drink a box-o-wine 

I think Srinath is experimenting with some version of E85 in his bikes.
I am sure he knows you can't put new wine into old wine skins so...

Maybe his development cycle goes something like this:

• Dumpster dive behind the liquor store for out of date boxed wines....
• drink some to see if the dates really mean anything....
• wake up later wondering if he was abducted by aliens...
• check to make sure "the boys" are still with him (can't trust them aliens you know)...

All kidding aside, you might get a buck of two for submitting it to Family Handyman as a tool tip kind of thing. Call it "Emergency Container for needed fluids". I think they pay $50 for accepted submissions.

Those were probably invented by a Clemson University Packaging Science major.
Seriously, you can get a degree in that.
Really.

Ok, don't take this as a personal hit....but its useless. I mean I'm 36 and I've never ever run anything I own out of gas. Save the lawnmower. When I switch to res I start looking for a fill up. Besides that it has the same basic range each time.
And srinath wine in a box? Come on...if you ever get down this way I'll send ya back with some real wine...buddies a wine rep, yeah his job sux!   

Quote from: seshadri_srinath on January 20, 2007, 07:01:23 PM
You dont siphon. You fill it with at a gas station. You also can unhook gas lines and get it out of another bike. No siphoning needed. Of course another bike being around, you can get on it and ride to gas station and get it back. No need for siphoning.
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Srinath.

Gas stations aren't supposed to let you fill anything not approved for gas.  Just be careful.

Quote from: annguyen1981 on January 21, 2007, 08:50:58 PM

Quote from: seshadri_srinath on January 20, 2007, 07:01:23 PM
You dont siphon. You fill it with at a gas station. You also can unhook gas lines and get it out of another bike. No siphoning needed. Of course another bike being around, you can get on it and ride to gas station and get it back. No need for siphoning.
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Srinath.

Gas stations aren't supposed to let you fill anything not approved for gas.  Just be careful.

Here's all you have to do to get around this:

buy the smallest possible DOT approved gas container. There should be one about the size of a 32 oz jug. Then you keep the bag inside that and stow it under your seat. When the time comes to use your wine/emergency fuel transport bag, you just go in to the station and fill that 32 oz'er up. Then go around back and pour it into the bag. Do that 5 or 6 times and you have a gallon, and you're good to go.

Srinath, you have a good idea but I wouldn't try to sell it, you would just be opening yourself up for a lawsuit.  People are stupid lawsuit happy, thats why they have ridiculous warning labels, to cover themselves.  If you suggest it to others you might want to have a little disclaimer: I am in no way responsible if you injure, maim, or kill yourself with this idea.

I could understand the comfort in having some sort of gasoline transportation container with you at all times, like other tools for the bike, just in case.  But this could be circumvented by keeping track of your mileage, and just toping off the tank every 60-70 miles.  Also I understand they charge like 8 bucks for a 1/2 gallon dot container, which is overpriced if you ask me, but safety is important when dealing with such a highly flammable substance; Accidents are called that because they are just that, accidents.  No one means for them to happen, regardless of the precautions they take.  If you feel comfortable doing it go for it, but to suggest it or sell it to others would be putting their well being in your hands.

Yea yea yea ... OK I give up. Just in case someone wanted to use it ... its there.
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Srinath.

Great IDEA !!!!!    If you ride in groups, and you or someone runs out of gas, you can un hook a gas line and turn the petcock on to fill the bag with fuel and be on the road within minutes. (and throw the bag away)

No need to worry about gas stations not lettingyou fill up, Or whether the container is "approved". 

Srinath has a good Idea for a quick fix "in case" you or someone you are riding with runs out of fuel.

f%$k a lawsuit. f%$k the DOT. f%$k a Naysayer.
It is a simple "put in toolbag and forget" insurance policy, that takes up minimal space and could possibly save you a headache.

I for one thank you Srinath for posting an Idea that you thought might help us in a pinch.  I know what it is like to push my bike a mile or two.

Yea 3imo, thanks. It will never be dot approved because its already out there.
Wine companies that probably own the tap and maybe even bag patents dont care, you've already bought the product, and gas can companies dont want you to ever buy this, cos its free (heck it costs you to not use it if you buy it for the wine) and everyone else knows they'll never sell enough of it to even cover the cost of getting it DOT certified cos its available free. Its almost like patenting air and making you buy air from them. Like WTF ... its in my house ... so I am going to sniff it and screw you.
And here we have people theorising this and that. Way to beat a dead horse.
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Srinath.

Quote from: Dr. Love on January 20, 2007, 12:10:10 PM
Just carry some condoms.... multi-use - water, gas etc...   

Yeah, I heard once that you could recycle condoms.  Just turn them inside out and shake the f*ck out of them. 

Quote from: 3imo on January 22, 2007, 08:43:56 AM
Great IDEA !!!!!    If you ride in groups, and you or someone runs out of gas, you can un hook a gas line and turn the petcock on to fill the bag with fuel and be on the road within minutes. (and throw the bag away)

No need to worry about gas stations not lettingyou fill up, Or whether the container is "approved". 

Srinath has a good Idea for a quick fix "in case" you or someone you are riding with runs out of fuel.

f%$k a lawsuit. f%$k the DOT. f%$k a Naysayer.
It is a simple "put in toolbag and forget" insurance policy, that takes up minimal space and could possibly save you a headache.

I for one thank you Srinath for posting an Idea that you thought might help us in a pinch.  I know what it is like to push my bike a mile or two.

In that situation I'd rather have something like one of these:



It's $5 at Harbor Freight and about as portable as a empty wine bag.  A lot easier to deal with than a sack full of gasoline too.

I might be mistaken but once you load a siphon of sufficient length and begin the transfer of liquid, it is entirely possible to siphon fluid from one container of equal height to another.

Mandres - what if you're alone Like me ... always a commuter, never a rider ...
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Srinath.

Guys?
What cant be denied is that fact that carrying fuel in something not designed for the purpose presents a higher risk than carrying it in something designed for the purpose. Period. Thats why DOT and BS regulations apply. They are there for your safety as much as anything else,  not for someone to make a fast buck. I cant see how anybody and I mean ANYBODY with any sense at all can disagree with this statement. Its not even a justifiable risk as there are other and far safer options than using a winebag although some may see these as inconvenient.

Some initial thoughts, winebags are not as:
Impact resistant.......Flame retardant.......Heat resistive...... easy  to handle.....easy to use, as DOT approved containers, and I am sure there are other comparisons that could be made.

Its speculation as to if the internal parts of the valve are fuel tolerant. We know they are wine tolerant but wine has a much higher flashpoint than petrol (if it has one at all) and it doesnt contain solvents and acetones which dissolve certain plastics. Petrol expands when heated, can the bag cope with this without bursting? Imagine having it in a backpack in the sun and the winebag full of petrol suddenly exploding all over you?

Saying "What if?" doesnt count......cos in reply I will say "what if" while you were fumbling with it you dropped it on a hot exhaust, and what if it instantly melted, and what if 2 or 3 pints of petrol suddenly ignited right next to your legs......do I need to go on.
Ok you can drop a DOT can but its easier to handle hence and far less likely to happen and it wont instantly melt if it hits the exhaust on the way down.

C-mon guys, lets see some sense and agree. Its a dangerous practise, its not and never will be safe under any circumstances whatsoever and the risks are simply not justifiable.  As long as this thread continues it is giving ideas to those who will refuse to accept the risks and adopt the "Wont happen to me" attitude. I say forget pride, personal opinion, loss of face, backing up your mates etc and delete the thread now!.......before someone does take the suggestion on board and becomes a statistic.

OK here are the many many inconsistencies with your argument.
1. There is no acetone in gas as of right now. If there was ... its going to eat up the liner in tanks of people (both kreem and POR will come loose with acetone) a lot before you ever manage to run out of gas.
2. The bag is never intended to be carried in your backpack full of fuel. you carry it empty. you fill gas in it and carry in your hands if and when you run out of gas.
3. Its resistant to fuel I have soaked it in a trough for weeks. The tap and the bag are definetly resistant to gas.
4. You spill gas on hot exhaust, it will burn, doesn't matter if it came from a bag or a can and the plastic a can is made out of isn't flame retardant or heat resistive (is that a real word ?? WTF ... you George Bush ). your argument will have worked well for metal gas cans, which are becoming as common place as common sense from you.
5. The bag is much more impact resistant than a can, and the bag is also more sealed than a can. There can be other comparisons made and the bag will beat the can (plastic can) in all of them.
6. If you dont want to use it dont, but know this, it is not ever a profitable venture to educate the customer. That is why its not on the market. No way anyone can make a profit out of this period.
7. They also transport cheese and chili in these bags and anyone who has had nacho cheese chili at a gas station has had food out of these. The bag will not melt at 400 degrees. It will not melt if it hits the exhaust on the way down. if it was held in contact with the exhaust it will melt, but so will a can.

There is no argument that does not involve the words DOT certification that trumps the can over the bag. If there was any damn profit to be made and if I took it upon myself to turn this into a business venture, I'd make a wine bag with handles so it will be just as easy to handle as a can. However there is nothing preventing you from carrying it in a bag right now ... so I dont see how it serves me to put in the work. Like I said, its like trying to license air.
Common sense people ... use it or not ... much like everything else ... you reserve the right to be stupid.
BTW I have heard the same damn argument sledge when I started the no jet kit method of jetting. DJ must have done this, and you cant say this is better ... blah blah blah ... it took a few people having trouble with DJ kits, struggling with it, never getting it to work, sending it to me and me swapping it for stock needles and 150-125/40's and literally drop in and its a whole different bike.
Oh yea BTW, most wine bags are made by a company called Scholle. They have a huge factory in Merced CA. I worked there as a factory floor worker off and on in Sept-Nov 2001. The bags are made of mylar and damn near indestructible.
I cant believe I am having to promote a free product. Literally free ... less than free if you count the effort of throwing it away.
Maybe people tend to agree with me because I have a long history of calling it as it is ... often at my expense. Think about it ...
As a warning to everyone in here and outside of here - dont use it if you dont want to or think you are incapable of using it.
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Srinath.

Wow.. never thought I'd see the day where Srinath corrected someone else's spelling/grammar. haha.