I know that there are a lot of those on here who speak very lowly of the Hyosung brand.  Maybe this will help to prove their worth.  I doubt that Cagiva would take such a chance on a trash engine.

Ill take it! 

Cagiva will and they will have no qualms about releasing total crap into the world market as long as it doesn't come back to bite them and its profitable.
In fact cagiva has died and been ressurrected so many times with so many different people running it its a joke, its just about is on par with McDonalds. There aint no Mr McDonald in McDonalds either.
I would actually like to see Cagiva thrive and I hope to see them get some sorta stability and hopefully the whole keoran engine in a Indian built bike with an italian name will give them enough money flow to keep them open till they build a true Italian Cagiva.
And yes BMW also has entered India and its going to make cars there for export. Not a bad Idea, India is more $$ than china, but it does not have the political mess that china has, and of course there are no pollution laws or whatever ... All the advantages of china and none of the disadvantages and none of the problems and stigma.
Cool.
Srinath.

Yeah what Srinath Said.Cagiva has been Lacking in the Reliability Department for a Long time now.It's really a Shame that Suzuki Would't let them Import the Raptor Series Bikes into the US.And it's really a Shame that the Mito Won't be Sporting an SV650 Motor.

Quote from: Jughead on April 24, 2007, 07:04:04 AM
.And it's really a Shame that the Mito Won't be Sporting an SV650 Motor.

What really is a shame is that people who have absolutely no basis for argument continually think that Hyosung is just another fly-by-night breeze out to make some quick money through trash products.  Why is it a shame that the bike wont have the sv mill?  Is it a bad thing to start with one proven to make more power that is even more cost effective?

Quote from: cuda_06 on April 24, 2007, 10:01:59 AM

Quote from: Jughead on April 24, 2007, 07:04:04 AM
.And it's really a Shame that the Mito Won't be Sporting an SV650 Motor.

What really is a shame is that people who have absolutely no basis for argument continually think that Hyosung is just another fly-by-night breeze out to make some quick money through trash products.  Why is it a shame that the bike wont have the sv mill?  Is it a bad thing to start with one proven to make more power that is even more cost effective?

I don't know what you've been reading, but the Hyosung mill is down about 10 horsepower on the SV650, not to mention the reliablity of the Suzuki engine which is phenomenal.  The Hyosung is a decent cheap bike, but that's really what it is, a cheap bike made of CHEAP components.  The Cagiva is nice looking, but Srinath hit the nail on the head here, anything to make a buck, even if it involves cutting major corners, like dropping that powerplant in the Mito.


And because I know someone is going to call bullshit on the Hyosung making less power, here you go:
SV650, back in 1999:


69 RWHP and 45 lbs. ft of torque.

The lowest figures are from a stock GT650S in 2006:


62.9 RWHP and 40.6 lbs. ft of torque.


I realize that there is going to be some discrepancy between two different Dyno machines, but there's no way in hell that the Hyosung is putting out more horsepower or torque than the SV650, not stock at least.

When people say its just a cheaper SV I basically cringe ... why
The freaking SV felt like it was made of potato chips, how much worse is the damn SyoHung going to feel.
Its a pity its not got an italian motor in it. The rest is all BS.
Cool.
Srinath.

I've seen both bikes on the same dyno on the same day doing 3rd gear pulls and the Hyosung consistantly put down more torque than the SV.  Both bikes ran the same tune carbs, gearing, and exhaust.  The difference is the exhaust.  Hyosung's happens to suck worse than Suzuki's.  Put an M4 on both and they're pretty well spec-matched across the board.  The EFI SV has the upper hand all over, though, but that's the benefit of EFI.

I forsee build quality trouble.

Quote from: SmartDrug on April 24, 2007, 10:24:48 AM

Quote from: cuda_06 on April 24, 2007, 10:01:59 AM

Quote from: Jughead on April 24, 2007, 07:04:04 AM
.And it's really a Shame that the Mito Won't be Sporting an SV650 Motor.

What really is a shame is that people who have absolutely no basis for argument continually think that Hyosung is just another fly-by-night breeze out to make some quick money through trash products.  Why is it a shame that the bike wont have the sv mill?  Is it a bad thing to start with one proven to make more power that is even more cost effective?

I don't know what you've been reading, but the Hyosung mill is down about 10 horsepower on the SV650, not to mention the reliablity of the Suzuki engine which is phenomenal.  The Hyosung is a decent cheap bike, but that's really what it is, a cheap bike made of CHEAP components.  The Cagiva is nice looking, but Srinath hit the nail on the head here, anything to make a buck, even if it involves cutting major corners, like dropping that powerplant in the Mito.


And because I know someone is going to call bullshit on the Hyosung making less power, here you go:
SV650, back in 1999:


69 RWHP and 45 lbs. ft of torque.

The lowest figures are from a stock GT650S in 2006:


62.9 RWHP and 40.6 lbs. ft of torque.


I realize that there is going to be some discrepancy between two different Dyno machines, but there's no way in hell that the Hyosung is putting out more horsepower or torque than the SV650, not stock at least.

Look back at one of your sources, same exact dyno for both bikes.



nice try though

One more thing to add, do any of you actually have any first hand experience with these bikes or is it all just speculation and "what I have read"?

ha ha guys come on give it a shot...it's a new company every time Cag puts something out.  Who knows, maybe this one is a real bike.

Quote from: cuda_06 on April 24, 2007, 03:44:54 PM
One more thing to add, do any of you actually have any first hand experience with these bikes or is it all just speculation and "what I have read"?

I'm fairly convinced that Hyosung bikes are like Unicorns as I've never seen one (on the streets), let alone ridden one, so it's just speculation.  I have ridden many different SV650s though, I even owned one as a track bike two years back and know how well made they truly are.

Quote from: cuda_06 on April 24, 2007, 10:01:59 AM

Quote from: Jughead on April 24, 2007, 07:04:04 AM
.And it's really a Shame that the Mito Won't be Sporting an SV650 Motor.

What really is a shame is that people who have absolutely no basis for argument continually think that Hyosung is just another fly-by-night breeze out to make some quick money through trash products.  Why is it a shame that the bike wont have the sv mill?  Is it a bad thing to start with one proven to make more power that is even more cost effective?

If the Hyosung is so kick ass, then you wouldn't have to defend it like this.  And you would have "05 hyosung gt650r" in your signature line instead of "05 gt650r".   The only one really hung up about it is you man.

"I am beautiful. . . no matter what they sayyyyy. . . words can't bring me down. . . no ooohh ohhh. . . I am beautiful. . . in every single way. . . Hyosung is here to stay. . . ayyyy ayyayy. . ."

Also, cute 'ems, your dyno run for the SV was a first gen SV.  Hate to rain on your parade.

If you like your bike, man, that's cool.   I wouldn't expect everyone here to like it.  Most of the people here think most every bike sucks except the GS500.  Srinath thinks SV have frames made of paper.   He isn't going to change his mind.   They do, however, have milk toast front forks and have very little power at all.   

So, Jake, what you're saying is that if we don't have the exact name and make of our bikes in our sigs then we're ashamed of them?

Yeah, Mak.  Exactly what I'm saying.  Your ultimate genious Lex Luther mind finally figured out my agenda: break down people's ego with their own signatures.   For example: yours expresses a need to be accepted, but not wanting to be part of the herd, while at the same time establishing your superiority and ability to overcome a limited education and lack of social acceptance in settings not involving a keyboard and a user name. 

Am I close? 

Quote from: Jake D on April 25, 2007, 01:38:29 PM
Yeah, Mak.  Exactly what I'm saying.  Your ultimate genious Lex Luther mind finally figured out my agenda: break down people's ego with their own signatures.   For example: yours expresses a need to be accepted, but not wanting to be part of the herd, while at the same time establishing your superiority and ability to overcome a limited education and lack of social acceptance in settings not involving a keyboard and a user name. 

Am I close? 

Do me next. 

Ooooooh me too.  This should be very interesting

Quote from: LPC2104 on April 25, 2007, 01:58:21 PM
Do me next!

Your kind nature is bolstered by your love of the outdoors and simple pleasures in life.  Like the native americans, to you stillness is a pleasure.   Your favorite movie is "Phenomenon".  Your one true regret in life is not getting your high school art teacher pregnant.

Quote from: spcterry on April 25, 2007, 02:09:16 PM
Ooooooh me too.  This should be very interesting

Your can do attitude gives just a subtle hint at your true self.  You are a renaissance man.  Your outward appearance may be alarming, but you are really an intelectual.  You spent your childhood reading Ann  McCaffrey books and have never given up on that belief that people really can fly.   You are known for your loyalty and no one should ever make the mistake of threatening your loved ones.  If you had one wish, it would be for thinner ankels and you aren't afraid to admit that you tivo "What Not to Wear."