If the actual owners of HYOSUNGs don't defend them then who will?  I merely attempt to educate here.

To be honest I am not hung up about a single thing.  There is a very large difference between expecting someone to like a bike and expecting them to base statements on fact not bull**** opinions with no backing or reasoning behind them.  All that I ask is for those GS connoisseurs on here, who cannot lower their noses for a second to see that other bikes do exist, to bring facts into the argument before continually stating that Hyosung makes trash products.  Most have never even seen much less rode one.  If you can find something that I am unaware of please state it.  I am not above learning something new, more over, I enjoy such things.  I am a strong supporter of the gs platform and still recomend it to others even now that I have sold my own.  You will never find a post of mine on this or other boards stating otherwise and I simply expect the same fact based respect from others. 

BTW - I guess I am ashamed of the fact that I own a Plymouth Barracuda since I refer to it as a cuda and I hate Mazda since I only list my sig on a car board with rx-7 along with the sig reference to my two Ford Contour SVTs as 98 and 99 CSVTs.  I am open to any more interpretation if someone so wishes to indulge......

I guess the ultimate irony is that I own and ride a little known bike that has been panned by some critics but has a cult like following of owners and I also have a link in my signature to an article that talks about how good my bike is.   So I'm not above total hypocracy.

Look, 9 people out of 10 won't know that Hyosungs are crap anyway, so I wouldn't sweat it.  And if somebody that does know that confronts you, just act like you can't understand english and slowly back away. 

You do know that Hyosung has been selling bikes to people all over the world for 30 years, including producing motorcycles FOR Suzuki for the better part of a decade, all under their own ownership and power, right?  I'm only asking because keeping millions upon millions of people all over the world happy for 30 years isn't exactly a sign of a "crap" manufacturer.

Quote from: makenzie71 on April 25, 2007, 03:55:23 PMI'm only asking because keeping millions upon millions of people all over the world happy for 30 years isn't exactly a sign of a "crap" manufacturer.

Then how do you explain Chevy?

Chevy has had billions of satisfied customers.

Quote from: Jake D on April 25, 2007, 01:38:29 PM
Yeah, Mak.  Exactly what I'm saying.  Your ultimate genious Lex Luther mind finally figured out my agenda: break down people's ego with their own signatures.   For example: yours expresses a need to be accepted, but not wanting to be part of the herd, while at the same time establishing your superiority and ability to overcome a limited education and lack of social acceptance in settings not involving a keyboard and a user name. 

Am I close? 

Not even in the ball park.  My signature is a simple cry for help.  See, I run a business that requires me to buy Honda NT650 swingarms and also to sell an assortment of various parts to people who really don't need them.  When nothing sells, I make no money.  When there's no money coming in, the business goes under.  This is if you're trying to be analytical.  See, most people have, from a very young age, the abillity to pick out when a person is trying to buy your stuff and sell you their stuff.  You seem to lack this but don't worry, some people are just late bloomers.

Let's get back to HARD NUMBERS (real data, no drivel) in MOTOCYCLIST...

Horsepower:
Suzuki SV650 ('04).........73.5@8750RPM
Hyosung GT650R ('07).....66.2@8800RPM
Kawasaki Ninja 650R ('06) 64.8@9000RPM

Torque:
Suzuki SV650 ('04).........47.1@7250RPM
Hyosung GT650R ('07).....44.0@7400RPM
Kawasaki Ninja 650R ('06) 44.7@7250RPM

1/4 Mi.
Suzuki SV650 ('04).........11.87@110MPH
Hyosung GT650R ('07).....12.70@103.88MPH
Kawasaki Ninja 650R ('06) 12.06@108.79MPH

Wet Weight:
Suzuki SV650 ('04).........429LBS
Hyosung GT650R ('07).....488LBS
Kawasaki Ninja 650R ('06) 443LBS

MOTORCYCLIST claims a 52 LB. difference in weight over the Suzuki--and most of that can be attributed to the Hyosung's steel frame and full fairing--but still an eye-opening difference.  From the spec sheet alone the SV650 looks like it's worth every penny of its $500 (list) price premium over the GT650R and then some.  Now the Hyosung GV650 cruiser is another matter; it's uber-cool and there's no competition.

the weight thing is just a sad part of the bike being cheaper...the frame's steel and the alloy bits are lower grade...heavier, not weaker.  It's unfortunate, but what can you say.

I don't know why anyone would compare the carbureted GT650R to the EFI SV650 and 650R...that's retarded.  The GTR compares to the '02 and earlier SV's.

...and I'd like to point out that those specs on the '04 SV are a little optomistic or not stock because they're higher than what Suzuki says the bike cranks stock.

Quote from: makenzie71 on April 25, 2007, 08:09:16 PM
the weight thing is just a sad part of the bike being cheaper...the frame's steel and the alloy bits are lower grade...heavier, not weaker.  It's unfortunate, but what can you say.

I can say that the Kawasaki also has a steel frame (and some fairing) and weighs in 47LBS lighter than the Hyosung.

Quote from: makenzie71 on April 25, 2007, 08:09:16 PM
I don't know why anyone would compare the carbureted GT650R to the EFI SV650 and 650R...that's retarded.  The GTR compares to the '02 and earlier SV's.

Because these are the models currently offered by the respective manufacturers.  Using your terminology, it would be retarded to spend the money on the inferior technology on the non-Suzukis' but we're all entitled to our own preference.  I'm partial to parallel twins so I'd choose the Kawasaki (and use a tinted visor to keep my extra chromosome a secret).

Quote from: makenzie71 on April 25, 2007, 08:23:15 PM
...and I'd like to point out that those specs on the '04 SV are a little optomistic or not stock because they're higher than what Suzuki says the bike cranks stock.

Manufacturers never say.... when it comes to RWHP.    That's not to say the numbers for the other bikes aren't pessimistic--I'm quoting a single source, but a reliable one.   

The EX also has a lot lighter a motor.  The V-twins have seperated jugs and heads where as the ex is a contained single piece...that's its advantage over both the SV and the GTR.  SV has the advantage of a lighter frame and the motor is made from lighter materials.

I think it's retarded to compare incomparable models.  You wouldn't compare an '05 GSXR1000 to an FZR 1000, would you?

And I've never seen a stock EFI '04+ put down more than 65rwhp stock.  Grazing 75hp...the bikes not stock.

Quote from: makenzie71 on April 25, 2007, 08:58:34 PM
I think it's retarded to compare incomparable models.  You wouldn't compare an '05 GSXR1000 to an FZR 1000, would you?

I assure you the models I listed all compete head-to-head in the marketplace.  Don't blame me if it's no contest.

Quote from: makenzie71 on April 25, 2007, 08:58:34 PM
And I've never seen a stock EFI '04+ put down more than 65rwhp stock.  Grazing 75hp...the bikes not stock.

I've never seen a published figure < 70 HP for the EFI SV650--stock.  The 1/4 mi time backs it up.  As fast as my 72 HP GS750E (used to be).   

Please read the entire thread before trying to jump into the argument!

First - I would like to point out that the initial argument was engine only not the entire bike specs as it started with the placement in a cagiva chassis not the gt650
(the GT650R is a much heavier bike and there is no denying that, I wouldn't even attempt to state otherwise)

Second - were the dyno graphs of back to back runs with the two bikes on the same exact day/dyno not hard evidence???

Third - This is not a "SV650 vs GT650 thread" I simply started it and continued it based on the decision of CAGIVA to use the Hyosung engine in the next Mito.
(sort of a reiteration of the first point but well worth stating)

Hey one thing in favor of the cruiser that the 650 korean motor goes into the avitar ... belt drive. Booya ... eat that and weep suzuki.
Cool.
Srinath.