got a question here, hopefully with maturity, and or non hostile resposes from herer it will stay out of the TF. ( hey anyone can hope) 
anyhoo the san diego school system here  recently had set up time ( 15 mins) where muslim students could pray. non muslim students would more than likely  do other things or what not. where is the ACLU on this one ( separation of church and state for those who are asking ?) if christians or jews or spaghetti monster worshipers had gotten this through the aclu would be raising hell on this . or teh "footbaths in a minnesota college" wtf? fine BUT if youre going to bend the rules for 1 group , bend the rules for ALL groups, now cmon all lets keep this civil. and NOT TF worthy. ( hoping against hope i know this is possible)

I don't believe in any thing.So I have no opinion except,gods should stay at home and people should go about there biz.When they get home then they can beg there gods forgiveness.If you come to this country don't expect it to shut down for you like your country does.Wake up people.Welcome to America.

I personally have no problem with them setting time out.  I used to, but I don't know, and I realize now that when it affected me I didn't care then.  I had to sit down and specifically think about it.

My senior year was spent at a large high school.  We had a period during the day that the Muslim students could go to a designated place and pray.  No one cared.  It didn't hurt us.  it didn't bother anyone except the uptight hippies.  I used that 20 minutes to grab a bite and make out with my girlfriend...I'm glad we had it.

Besides, they need their time to do their holy business.  I'm allowed to pray any time of the day...they're not as privileged.  It's not their fault...the rest of us I just a bit luckier.

And I'd like to point out that all the people who Buddha Loves You about it need to stand back and take a look at their local schools...I'd bet a dollar they still pray before the football games.  Seperation of church and state has always been a joke.  It's like "all men are created equal" and communism.  It looks good on paper but mankind doesn't have the knack to pull it off.

I live in the south east,in the middle of the bible belt.The schools here have no prayers of any kind during school or during after school activities.They stopped that before I started school 25 years ago.I live in the same house I grew up in and my kids attend the same schools I did.Poor kids.

I'd bet they're universal about it...no God, no Allah.

I just had an interesting thought...how do Muslim's speak their lord's name in vain?  "Allah dammit" just doesn't sound right...

my point is, if the muslims are allowed to pray, let the others do so as well. and those who dont subscribe, , well heck make out with your bf/gf/hand 

Our school had no problem with people praying.  There were prayers all the time...anounced, private, before games, at peprllies, etc...all denominations, too.

ehh for the most part, schools arent allowed to condone it, ie, not say " soo at  ( such time yall can go pray)afaik the schools couldnt stiop it, but then again, not condone it either

It's legality only becomes an issue when someone starts caring.  In a lot of places people just don't care. In reality, the places where people really do care, are pretty thin.  It's the squeaky wheel theory...people who think they're being treated unfairly are really, really squeaky.  I doubt if you tried you could find a dozen people who cared enough about this kind of thing to dare attack the issue on their own...for either side of the argument.

like i said tho as per the original post, what would have happened if the christians had received teh same ttreatment? the outcome would have bneen entirely different

What I'm saying is that we had the same treatment.  We got to pray before games and peprallies and the little flagpole youth group bunch stood around the flag pole for an hour every day and no one gave a damn.  There's more tolerance out there than intolerance. 

i know that when i was in school, christians and catholics were granted the day off on holy days if their parents asked. i don't see why it would be a big deal to let muslim kids go off and pray while at school. but honestly, i doubt they'll actually be praying, most of todays hs generation only does what their told when they have to, so i'd imagine they'll just use that time to go f-off with their muslim friends and everyone else will be jealous and say "dude, f-this, im muslim now!" bfd, let the kids pray if they want to. the whiney-a$$ parents will just yell at the staff until their kid is alloted to time duck-off too then everyone is happy.

public schools suck, if something seems unfair to a parent, all they have to do is threaten a lawsuit and they get what they want. i had to tolerate having this disrespectful little dork in my auto class (yes, MY auto class, i was the teacher for the advanced shop class because i put the real teacher in his place too many times) because his mom complained to the administration about EVERYTHING so they just told us to let the kid do his thing, which was generally destructive. i can't count how many times i couldn't use a piece of equipment i needed because HE had broken it.

sorry for the tirade, the public school system really agrivates the living piss out of me.

indeed. i ask because not what happened at your school or mine or whomevers, if someone other than non muslim had done this woudl the outcome had been different. i keep asking this cause i keep getting non answers, ie what your school did back in your day. my grip is htis, no probs letting religious ones pray , BUT not alloting public fiunds to do so, ( what the ACLU would say) which is happening now, 

I don't see how allowing 15 minutes to a couople dozen students is alloting funds...

At any rate, this wasn't "back in my day"...and my day wasn't a handful of years ago.  They still do things the same way and no one still cares.

To answer your question...it's going to depend on where it is.  It always has.  Most places it's fine.  Other's have squeaky people.

Yeah Yama- They are allowing them 15 minutes of their own time to Pray at their discretion. I don't really see where they are using school funds for this. And this is not special privilege for the Muslims, that 15 minutes is given to everyone as prayer time. If Christians, jews, Buddhists, Spaghetti monsterists want to pray during that time, it is their 15 minutes as well.
Secondly, this is allowing students to do what they please. This is not a classroom sanctioned prayer- this is giving the students their own time to pray as they individually need to. It is not the same as having the whole class recite a prayer in the room together, and saying anyone who doesn't want to participate can leave for a few minutes. I believe that is the type of situation that the ACLU gets up in arms about when it comes to prayer in school. In this situation, they are not making the entire classroom an Allah worshiping activity and saying that anyone not doing so is free to leave for a while.
I don't think anyone is picking on the Christians here. Christians are free to pray on their own time- I'm sure if it was mandatory in the Christian faith to pray at 11AM every day or something, schools would let them leave class for 15 minutes- I even got to leave every Wednesday early when I was a kid to go to Religion class, so did the jews and whomever else needed to. I mean- every school is closed for Christmas, but I don't see people complaining that is is an exclusively Christian holiday.

Edit:
here's the article- http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070702-9999-1n2prayer.html

Just about every School I know closes for a whole week to two weeks for the Christian holliday "Christmas" Is that wrong? I know they can call it "Winter Break" or whatever, but its for the Christians 

I also agree that... in this case, its not the school forcing anyone to pray or believe any one thing, its just giving people the time and space to do it if they choose to. 


I think the biggest Separation of Church and State issue is the " One Nation under God " in the pledge. What if you love America 100% but dont wish to serve "under God" ?

THis, however, I do not agree with, and think the ACLU are being complete hypocrites on this matter:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200707/CUL20070710c.html

The San Diego school district's lawyer gave this as the school district's rationale:
"The district's legal obligation in response to a request that a prayer must be performed at a particular time is to treat that request the same as it would treat a student's request to receive an insulin shot at a particular time."

So I don't have too much of a problem with it.  You'd be amazed how often the ACLU (of which I am happy to say I'm a card-carrying member) defends Christians and the free exercise of their faith.  They have a website -- explore it.  It's NOT an anti-religious or anti-Christian group in any way.  They simply believe in and defend civil liberties.  At times, that has offended fundamentalists who wanted to impose their prayer on someone else in a government school.  Other times, the ACLU has sided with fundamentalists to defend their constitutional rights.

I'm sure kids prayed in school.They just didn't do it around me.Cause I'd tell them to get away.It wasn't that we were forbid to pray,the school district didn't support it.If we did have prayer time,I'd been found screwing or smoking pot.Those were the bad ole days.Glad I'm over them.

i couldn't qoute. sorry. i hope i got it right scott.



I think the biggest Separation of Church and State issue is the " One Nation under God " in the pledge. What if you love America 100% but dont wish to serve "under God" ?

the biggest problem i have with this is that our nation was founded by Christian, God fearing men. i don't know the exact date of the Pledge of Allegiance but i do know it has been around a long time. this is something that is part of our nations herritage and history. why should we try to change that just because some people don't agree? this is america. love it or leave it. just my $.02.